Stamford studies return of trolleys

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As workers installed the metal tracks that would carry horse-drawn trolleys along city streets in October 1886, a reporter for the weekly Stamford Times wrote, "Verily, Stamford is rapidly assuming the ...
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LVTfan

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Any wise investment in infrastructure of this sort will increase land values along its route by more than the cost of the project.

Collecting back for the commons which financed the project the cost of the project seems to me to be a wise move. This can be done by continuing to do regular assessments, and by placing more of our tax burden on land value and less -- or none -- on buildings and other improvements.

You might google for Fred Harrison's article called "Wheels of Fortune" and Chuck Metalitz's article on retrieving the benefits of rail transportation.

I think this is a move in the right direction
Transportation Committee

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Jul 28, 2008
 

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I'm glad that the Transportation Committee was smart enough to shoot this study down, 6-2. Unfortunately, the Democrats felt forced to fall in line with the mayor's desire when it came to the regular vote. What a waste of taxpayer dollars.
LJG

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Jul 28, 2008
 
You have to do something around here. Stamford is growing and there is no infrastructure to support it. 95 and the Merritt are already overtaxed and clearly cannot have capacity added to them. Any little thing that can get even a few cars of the road will help. Light rail could help, and expanding Metro-North and Shoreline East needs to be part of the equation.
voter who commutes

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Jul 28, 2008
 
I remember seeing the trolley tracks in downtown Stamford and my mother would tell me about the trolley. When I was young we all took the bus. Stamford is an exciting city with a Mayor who has vision. Let's take our heads out of the sand and explore another way to relieve traffic in this city of progress. Mayor Malloy is doing the right thing.
Wally in Stamford

Stamford, CT

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Jul 28, 2008
 
For LVTfan - Tell you what, since the Study stated the city needs atleast 131,000 residents to make it viable, YOU PAY the difference for NOT having that many riders on the trolley when it comes up short. Stamford is a small to medium sized town/city and can not handle a trolley NOW THAT THE CITY REMOVED ALL RAILS a few years ago - trolley and freight train alike. Three years ago the mayor could not wait to remove the rails, and now HE WANTS THEM BACK AGAIN! Stamford has LOST its population with the outsourcing of jobs and closing down of companies that made Stamford great.
You sound like a PR Rep for he mayor more than anyting else. LJG has a problem too, if you need to get to work and the infrastructure is lacking in Stamford, then put some Hi-Rise office buildings in Greenwich and you people can pay the price and not another town. Stamford is NOT capable at this time to handle yet another of the Mayor's "I WANT" tasks. Lets finish one fiasco at a time before the mayor and his henchmen put us in debt that we can not get out of. That $175M upgrading of the waster treatment plant is an example, It STILL SMELLS ON MAGEE AVENUE afterwards and WE were told the smells would no longer be there after the upgrading. In the case of Stamford and all the major upgrades wanted to bring in MONEY only, we are a small town and to do what is being voted on blindly would require eliminating the total areas around and in the downtown to re-design Stamford from the ground up.
Do either of you - LVTfan and LJG - care to pay for the changes wanted while the city already is bonded like crazy. That is why Stamfords taxes keep increasing - the dreams of the mayor and his people. IF we got the trolley, Who would clean the tracks and roads, WE have NO Public Works as it used to be - road clearing, maintaining sidewalks, repairing the roads and curbing; all that has been privatized to certain companies that do shoddie jobs to say the least - potholes return in three months, curbs disintergrat, etc. No to the trolley as the to put it in would constrick the regular vehicle traffic as the roads can not be widened and made safe for the users. Safety comes of Money!!!
Bart

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sounds like when they sold the monorail to Springfield in the Simpsons.

"Iíve sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook."

Actually, Malloy does not seem to be any wiser than Diamond Joe Quimby.

Light rail in a small city like Stamford is a waste of money and a distraction from proposals that could actually help solve the traffic situation. It was a waste in Kenosha, it was a waste in Tacoma, and the places it actually works (Salt Lake City, Portland, etc.) are large cities.
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OK Wally and Bart,
Since you are so against building a trolley system, what are your ingenious solutions to the traffic problems in Stamford (which will only increase)?
I'm so tired of hearing people bash the mayor and city planners for trying to improve our city, yet offering no good alternative ideas. Granted, not everyone will love every change that goes on, but if you don't have a better solution or proposal, then kindly STFU.
Abigail

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Sick of Haters wrote:
kindly STFU.
and you are calling us the haters?
Sick of Haters

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Jul 28, 2008
 
I'm not the one ranting and raving about Mayor Malloy, yet not offering a single rational solution.
Abigail

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Sick of Haters wrote:
I'm not the one ranting and raving about Mayor Malloy, yet not offering a single rational solution.
Neither did the mayor. Light rail in a small city such as Stamford is not a rational solution. Hardly anyone takes the bus here, so why would they take a streetcar (let's call it for what it is) that is likely to be slower? And it will make the traffic situation worse by possibly taking away lanes on Bedford and/or Summer.

Why is it hard for people to see this for the white elephant it will turn out to be? The mayor has screwed up too many times - he has failed his family and he will bankrupt the city.
Thats Murder

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Instead of waisting the peoples money all we have to to do is return Summer and Bedford streets to two way trafic and avoid waisting gas going one block.
Sick of Haters

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Abigail: You make a good point about no one taking the bus, but I think it might be a little different scenario with a streetcar. The biggest obstacle to using the bus, at least for me, is that unless you know what bus you need to take and when, it's a pain. It's not like the NYC subway, where you can enter almost any station and know that that train will come before too long. In the case of a Stamford streetcar system, since you'll know where it's going - say, north to Bull's Head or south to the train station - you can hop on and get there. In other words, it's more direct.

All that said, I'll readily admit that don't know enough about city planning, transit, etc., to knowingly comment on the pros and cons of the streetcars. I will say this, however: I live near the Tully Center and Stamford High and work in Harbor Plaza (off of Shippan Avenue). As it is now, I'd have to get the 31 bus to the train station then get my company shuttle to get to work, a trip of about 30-40 minutes. If I could walk to Summer Street, hop on a trolley, and get to the South End quickly, I'd do it!
CommonSense

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Sick of Haters wrote:
OK Wally and Bart,
Since you are so against building a trolley system, what are your ingenious solutions to the traffic problems in Stamford
The solution is simple, stop crowding apartment buildings, and condos on every little plot of land across the city. The zoning board needs to learn how to deny proposals. The city's infrastructure can no longer support more and more growth, until its figured out the building on every plot of land needs to stop. I don't think this is going to help anyways.....I would have to get in my car and drive to the stop, so I might as well just drive to my destination, they'll probably charge for parking and the ride too so it would end up costing more to get on this thing then it would in gas, even at today's prices.
True Colors

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Abigail wrote:
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Hardly anyone takes the bus here...
You sound like those people who claim that no one walks in Stamford, so why fix the sidewalks. When's the last time you were on a bus? The buses that my kids and I take around town always have plenty of people on them--not standing room only, but who would want that?

There is a large segment of the population who don't own cars, or who don't drive who DO in fact take the bus. More public transportation is a good thing and bus ridership is up.
Sick of Haters

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CommonSense wrote:
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The solution is simple, stop crowding apartment buildings, and condos on every little plot of land across the city.
So they should build smaller buildings farther and farther from business centers, forcing more people to drive farther? Isn't that what got us into this crowded highway,$5-a-gallon mess? Higher density is a good solution when done right (which is no guarantee anywhere).
CommonSense wrote:
<quoted text>The zoning board needs to learn how to deny proposals. The city's infrastructure can no longer support more and more growth, until its figured out the building on every plot of land needs to stop.
This doesn't make sense. So they should've left the UBS location as an underused lot, left Target as a dirty parking lot, left RBS as another hole in the ground and left the block on Atlantic Street next to the post office as an abandoned strip of stores? Don't we have enough holes and weed-strewn lots downtown? I'm sure you'll agree that full buildings generate much more tax revenue than empty lots!
CommonSense

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Yea I'm not talking about empty plots of land downtown, I agree I would rather see the Target building then an empty lot, I'm talking about the overcrowding in areas like Glenbrook and Springdale(Hope Street for instance) these people are adding more and more cars to the roads and this transit system won't help much.
Abigail

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Jul 28, 2008
 
CommonSense wrote:
overcrowding in areas like Glenbrook and Springdale(Hope Street for instance) these people are adding more and more cars to the roads and this transit system won't help much.
Transit won't help.
Immigration raids might.
Abigail

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Sick of Haters wrote:
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left the block on Atlantic Street next to the post office as an abandoned strip of stores?
have you seen what's there now?
CommonSense

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Jul 28, 2008
 
lol thats true, raids would help
CtMC

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Abigail wrote:
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Neither did the mayor. Light rail in a small city such as Stamford is not a rational solution. Hardly anyone takes the bus here, so why would they take a streetcar (let's call it for what it is) that is likely to be slower? And it will make the traffic situation worse by possibly taking away lanes on Bedford and/or Summer.
Why is it hard for people to see this for the white elephant it will turn out to be? The mayor has screwed up too many times - he has failed his family and he will bankrupt the city.
You are obviously a car driver and therefore should not be considered. I think this would be brilliant. My girlfriend in finance and I in advertising in NYC would like to get married and find a smaller, more managable city with job opportunities, better schools and good public transportation. If Stamford goes through with this, my mind is made up. I could live downtown and not rely on a car. As in NYC, I will not take a bus. This would make Stamford parks, beaches, restaurants, the university, bars, shopping, etc. easier to reach. Think of all the people that ride the trains to Stamford every day and don't have a car. It is selfish for residents with homes and driveways and cars to say this is a burden on tax payers. One of Connecticuts biggest obstacles to keeping young people are the not in my back yard old fart wealthy whiners.

The state and the city need incentives for the under 40's crowd. I was just on the Newark trolley and I loved it. To me, it was one of the few very impressive attempts to get middle class people to live there and I enjoyed the ride. I now tell people how much better Newark was than I thought. If not for the easy on easy off cheap trolley, I don't know how, or if, I would have gone to Hoboken for the day where I spent quite a bit of money shopping and eating.

I pray for this in Stamford.

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