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Out-of-State Corporate Money Floods Ohio Battle Over Anti-Collective Bargaining Bill

There are 18 comments on the Truthout story from Oct 25, 2011, titled Out-of-State Corporate Money Floods Ohio Battle Over Anti-Collective Bargaining Bill. In it, Truthout reports that:

Workers' State of the State Response Rally, protesting against Senate Bill 5 on March 8, 2011 in Columbus, OH.

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#1 Oct 25, 2011
This issue has nothing to do with the welfare of the People or state employees. Here's the real issue, taken directly from the article:

"If Ohio's public workers lose collective bargaining rights, then unions could lose political influence and momentum in a key swing state."

If Issue 2 passes, unions won't be able to take your tax dollars collected as union dues from public employees and use them to buy the votes of democratic legislators anymore for pro-union legislation.

No matter what they tell you, it's not about you and your rights. It's about them and their power.

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#2 Oct 25, 2011
Union workers work for their pay. Once they are paid it's not the tax payers money, it's the workers' money. They use their own money to pay union dues, not taxpayers money. Oh and in case you didn't know, union members pay taxes too with their own money.
I read the article and it seems you were very selective in what you chose to post. Here are some other interesting parts of the article.

But for Republican Gov. John Kasich, who defeated a Democratic incumbent in the 2010 GOP landslide and quickly championed Senate Bill 5, an embarrassing veto from voters would cast a shadow on the rest of his term and an ambitious agenda focused on tax cuts and privatizing prisons and economic development. A repeal would also disappoint Kasich's legion of out-of-state, big business supporters that spent millions helping elect him.
A Truthout investigation into the political machine defending Kasich and Senate Bill 5, however, reveals how private interests can silently support the controversial legislation through groups like the RGA that funnel corporate cash into state campaigns to promote a broader agenda focused on weakening public-sector unions and privatizing state services.
Fueled in part by a $1 million donation from Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. that matched a $1 million donation by conservative billionaire David Koch of Koch brothers fame,  the RGA spent millions of dollars on TV ads and mailers to help elect Kasich and Gov. Scott Walker in Wisconsin. Both governors quickly turned around and pushed legislation targeting public-sector workers that inspired massive protests in Madison and the ongoing veto effort in Ohio.
The RGA spent more than $11 million supporting Kasich and called itself a "key investor" in his victory. With Kasich's approval rating hovering around 40 percent and his landmark Senate Bill 5 up for a citizens' referendum, the RGA has once again swooped into Ohio to protect its investment.

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#3 Oct 25, 2011
LegallyGray wrote:
Union workers work for their pay. Once they are paid it's not the tax payers money, it's the workers' money. They use their own money to pay union dues, not taxpayers money. Oh and in case you didn't know, union members pay taxes too with their own money.
I read the article and it seems you were very selective in what you chose to post. Here are some other interesting parts of the article.
But for Republican Gov. John Kasich, who defeated a Democratic incumbent in the 2010 GOP landslide and quickly championed Senate Bill 5, an embarrassing veto from voters would cast a shadow on the rest of his term and an ambitious agenda focused on tax cuts and privatizing prisons and economic development. A repeal would also disappoint Kasich's legion of out-of-state, big business supporters that spent millions helping elect him.
A Truthout investigation into the political machine defending Kasich and Senate Bill 5, however, reveals how private interests can silently support the controversial legislation through groups like the RGA that funnel corporate cash into state campaigns to promote a broader agenda focused on weakening public-sector unions and privatizing state services.
Fueled in part by a $1 million donation from Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. that matched a $1 million donation by conservative billionaire David Koch of Koch brothers fame,  the RGA spent millions of dollars on TV ads and mailers to help elect Kasich and Gov. Scott Walker in Wisconsin. Both governors quickly turned around and pushed legislation targeting public-sector workers that inspired massive protests in Madison and the ongoing veto effort in Ohio.
The RGA spent more than $11 million supporting Kasich and called itself a "key investor" in his victory. With Kasich's approval rating hovering around 40 percent and his landmark Senate Bill 5 up for a citizens' referendum, the RGA has once again swooped into Ohio to protect its investment.
I picked out one sentence because it tells the whole story and the true motive of the whole anti-Issue 2 campaign.

Don't talk to me about campaign contributions. How much union money went to elect Ted Strickland or any other democrat in Ohio government?

Fact is, public unions use their dues to buy influence and wield power in the statehouse. Public unions have no place in the political process. It's the biggest conflict of interest in govenrment; period. The union colludes with the legislature; they both come out winners and the People of Ohio are left holding the bag. If it doesn't stop, there'll be no state left to govern. But I understand, that's just fine with you as long as you get yours.

The whole process needs to be overhauled. Taking the unions out of the process would be an excellent start.
klrvcd

Stow, OH

#4 Oct 25, 2011
SB5 or issue 2 will go down. The corporate whores, Kasich, the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdox and his fixed noise network are the ones that need to be overhauled not the unions. Some of you right wing tea bag people may want to go back to the robber baron era where 2% of the population controlled the other 98% who had nothing. I DONT I hope most people are intelligent enough top VOTE NO on issue 2 for their own benefit. How they elected that ex Lehman Brother idiot is beyond me!
Spooktackular

Shelocta, PA

#5 Oct 25, 2011
If Issue two goes down I will be happy to personaly deliver the lay off notices. Nothing puts a smile on my face like telling a union parasite they no longer have a job.....I will do this for citys counties, townships as well as state. Would really love to tell that fire fighter who saved the great grand daughter of the old commie hag that he is fired.

Voted Yes on 2 and 3 and No on issue 1

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#6 Oct 25, 2011
klrvcd wrote:
SB5 or issue 2 will go down. The corporate whores, Kasich, the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdox and his fixed noise network are the ones that need to be overhauled not the unions. Some of you right wing tea bag people may want to go back to the robber baron era where 2% of the population controlled the other 98% who had nothing. I DONT I hope most people are intelligent enough top VOTE NO on issue 2 for their own benefit. How they elected that ex Lehman Brother idiot is beyond me!
You're right: It probably will go down but I wouldn't start the party just yet. What's just around the corner after the repeal are some pretty significant public sector layoffs. You'll likely also see business continue to move to more business-friendly, lower tax states; further eroding the OH tax base..

Remember: You can't collectively bargain for something that doesn't exist. The money isn't there. We've reached the end of the rainbow.

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#7 Oct 26, 2011
When he was campaigning, Kasich vowed to "punish' those who opposed him, especially the teachers union, unless they apologized to him. SB5 was part of that punishment and even if a NO on 2 wins, he'll find another means to punish those who have the audacity to oppose him. He's ruthless.

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#8 Oct 26, 2011
I seem to recall obama saying something very similar. Does that make it right? No, but both sides say those things; nor is ruthlessness the domain of Republicans.

There's a detail lurking out there that's lost in this whole debate: There's no money left to bargain for. People's homes are worth 40% less than they were 5 years ago. Ohio's already a considered a high-tax state, there's little public support to raise them further, and businesses leave the state with their jobs and the associated payroll taxes every time we do raise them.

What good is collective bargaining when there's nothing in the pot to bargain for?

While the unions are using the usual fear tactics of crime and houses burning to the ground, there's no money for more police officers or firemen. Paying more for the ones we have can only mean layoffs. So on the day after the election and you've won the battle, the war will only be starting; except this time it'll be in City Hall and not in the privacy of the ballot box.

Be careful what you wish for. You may just get it.

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#9 Oct 26, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
I seem to recall obama saying something very similar. Does that make it right? No, but both sides say those things; nor is ruthlessness the domain of Republicans.
There's a detail lurking out there that's lost in this whole debate: There's no money left to bargain for. People's homes are worth 40% less than they were 5 years ago. Ohio's already a considered a high-tax state, there's little public support to raise them further, and businesses leave the state with their jobs and the associated payroll taxes every time we do raise them.
What good is collective bargaining when there's nothing in the pot to bargain for?
While the unions are using the usual fear tactics of crime and houses burning to the ground, there's no money for more police officers or firemen. Paying more for the ones we have can only mean layoffs. So on the day after the election and you've won the battle, the war will only be starting; except this time it'll be in City Hall and not in the privacy of the ballot box.
Be careful what you wish for. You may just get it.
You do realize collective bargaining isn't just about money. You take away a lot more when you take away collective bargaining

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#10 Oct 26, 2011
LegallyGray wrote:
<quoted text>You do realize collective bargaining isn't just about money. You take away a lot more when you take away collective bargaining
Do you realize that in the end, it's all really about money?

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#11 Oct 26, 2011
klrvcd wrote:
SB5 or issue 2 will go down. The corporate whores, Kasich, the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdox and his fixed noise network are the ones that need to be overhauled not the unions. Some of you right wing tea bag people may want to go back to the robber baron era where 2% of the population controlled the other 98% who had nothing. I DONT I hope most people are intelligent enough top VOTE NO on issue 2 for their own benefit. How they elected that ex Lehman Brother idiot is beyond me!
Who do you think pays the salaries of the people who pay the taxes that fund the government?
Yeah, it's those "corporate whres."
No healthy and vibrant corporations means no jobs. No jobs means no taxes.
Wake up.

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#12 Oct 26, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
<quoted text>
Who do you think pays the salaries of the people who pay the taxes that fund the government?
Yeah, it's those "corporate whres."
No healthy and vibrant corporations means no jobs. No jobs means no taxes.
Wake up.
And the people who work for those salaries do work that help those companies to be profitable and successful. It's called interdependency. I give you credit for not using that lame "have you ever seen a poor man hire someone?"

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#13 Oct 26, 2011
LegallyGray wrote:
<quoted text> And the people who work for those salaries do work that help those companies to be profitable and successful. It's called interdependency. I give you credit for not using that lame "have you ever seen a poor man hire someone?"
It is an interdependency, but it's certainly not a 50/50 proposition. The company is holding the cards, and it has to be that way to ensure the ongoing viability of the organization. Corporations must be able to react quickly to the environment around them. Take away that ability and they'll go somewhere else where they can.

Repeal of SB5 will brand Ohio as a "union-run state" like Michigan and West Virginia. Look at their economies. I don't think you want that for Ohio.

Or do you?
vncd12

Stow, OH

#14 Oct 28, 2011
dpx55 wrote:
<quoted text>
Who do you think pays the salaries of the people who pay the taxes that fund the government?
Yeah, it's those "corporate whres."
No healthy and vibrant corporations means no jobs. No jobs means no taxes.
Wake up.
The so called "healthy and vibrant corporation" is turning this country into a dictatorship by outsourcing jobs to slave labor crapholes exploiting the workers here and there while the CEO makes 10 to 20 million PER YEAR. They are the new monarchy. If they destroy the middle class all in the name of the all mighty buck there will be a backlash if too many people are deprived of their livelyhoods. Its already starting with the occupy wall street movement. If this country loses its middle class and a way to earn a decent livelyhood you will see a revolution. The OWS movement is the "bastille" moment! Kasich is nothing more trhan a corporate political whore beholden to the Koch Brothers and those who run the assinine tea party who are the "useful idiots" of the corporate olygarchs. When I see the collection of idiots running on the republican ticket they look like the "guests" on the Jerry Springer show.
free

Cleveland, OH

#15 Oct 28, 2011
Save Union jobs, Vote Yes on Issue 2 & SB 5 .......

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#16 Oct 28, 2011
vncd12 wrote:
<quoted text>The so called "healthy and vibrant corporation" is turning this country into a dictatorship by outsourcing jobs to slave labor crapholes exploiting the workers here and there while the CEO makes 10 to 20 million PER YEAR. They are the new monarchy. If they destroy the middle class all in the name of the all mighty buck there will be a backlash if too many people are deprived of their livelyhoods. Its already starting with the occupy wall street movement. If this country loses its middle class and a way to earn a decent livelyhood you will see a revolution. The OWS movement is the "bastille" moment! Kasich is nothing more trhan a corporate political whore beholden to the Koch Brothers and those who run the assinine tea party who are the "useful idiots" of the corporate olygarchs. When I see the collection of idiots running on the republican ticket they look like the "guests" on the Jerry Springer show.
Wow, you're bitter and utterly full of crap. What concern is it of yours how much a CEO makes? If the CEO made $5 a year it doesn't mean you'd get one more dime. Even in this utopian society you dream of where "wealth is spread" and power is in the hands of "the People," there will ALWAYS be someone who has more than you and someone who has less. ALWAYS.

CEO pay should be the least of your worries. If you want to focus your anger somewhere, turn it on Washington. Their meddling in the free market is what put us where we are today.

OWS isn't the grass-roots effort. It's a well-orchestrated and organized movement by the labor unions and others. YOU are their "useful idiot." All this "power to the people" crap never worked. It never will.

Manage your own life better and you might be a happier person. Otherwise, get out there and protest! In the end, nothing will change and the only thing you'll get that you didn't have before is an arrest record.
free

Cleveland, OH

#17 Oct 29, 2011
What are Union CEO's making ? What is the Union's media budget to defeat these Ohio Bills ?$19 Million dollars worth of dues.....
Anonymous

Park Forest, IL

#18 Oct 21, 2012
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