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East Bernstadt, KY

#2 Nov 11, 2017
Im sure this thread wont get any reaction...

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#3 Nov 11, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
People that have an almost pornographic obsession with guns and killing animals have deep seated psychological troubles and should be locked away from decent society.
Well I started this forum to have a real discussion about gun rights and gun control. First of all I don't even own a gun though I probably should. You never know when you might wake up to the sound of a burglar in your home. I don't agree with killing for no reason. In other words I don't hunt. I'm not judging anyone who does. That's just me, but I dread the day when guns are banned from the citizenry and you should to. Do you know Mr. Duncan that already we have people being incarcerated without trials in the U.S. Yeah Yeah these people are called "terrorists" It sickens me to see these traitors like Lindsey Graham and other idiots saying "these are enemy combatants. They are like enemies on the battlefield. They have no right to fair trial" Well if they are enemy combatants they should be shot on the battlefield. However if we are going to incarcerate them then they must have their day in court.

What does all of this crap have to do with you and other lefties Mr. Duncan? Let me explain. If our government can throw accused terrorists in prison without trials then what is stopping them from throwing you in prison without a trial?

Let's say you are an animal rights activist who manages to rally enough support in Washington to ban the production of veil for example. Then let's imagine that farmers in Texas have millions to lose because of your activism against the production of veil. So they call their Texas congressman and tell him that if he wants campaign contributions for his next campaign he'd better do something about you and your "trouble making" So Mr. Texas congressman decides to accuse you of terrorism and throws you in prison without a fair trial.

Can you see yet, the danger in you and the rest of the citizenry being disarmed Mr. Duncan? Do you think this could never happen because we have a constitution that guarantees a fair trial in the U.S? Well think about GITMO Mr. Duncan. The founding fathers of the U.S would say that the U.S has failed if they could see people imprisoned without their day in court. Enemy combatants are shot on the battlefield. People imprisoned are given a day in court. Period.

If they can do it to accused terrorists, why can't why do it to you or me? A citizenry that is disarmed is defenseless against a tyrannical government. Guns are not only about protecting one'self from criminals.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#5 Nov 11, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
Yeah...uh....I think you're reading way too much into it.
I'm not too worried about the government throwing me into Gitmo for no reason at all. And even if I was, what good would it do to be one of those fruitcakes with an AR15 and a Gadsden flag?
I find unhinged conspiracy theories and "militias" of fat delusional old men playing soldier a bit comical.

I'm preoccupied with this whole being-sane thing I got going on.
Duncan do you or do you not support the right to bear arms? I'm not going to get into a name calling contest with you. You have no idea what crimes against humanity are happening in this world and you don't care about them because you don't have to deal with them or even look at them or even hear about them. You have the luxury of living in blissful ignorance.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#6 Nov 11, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
Yeah...uh....I think you're reading way too much into it.
I'm not too worried about the government throwing me into Gitmo for no reason at all. And even if I was, what good would it do to be one of those fruitcakes with an AR15 and a Gadsden flag?
I find unhinged conspiracy theories and "militias" of fat delusional old men playing soldier a bit comical.

I'm preoccupied with this whole being-sane thing I got going on.
BTW I don't play soldier. I volunteered to go anywhere and do anything the government wanted me to do. I was a soldier. Have you ever faced danger in your life?

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#9 Nov 13, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
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I don't give a rats ass about "crimes against humanity". I live in a demographically homogeneous, crime-free rural environment.
I support the right to own a shotgun. But this perverse obsession that gun weirdos and lunatic fringe have is unhinged.
The 2nd Amendment was written 200 years ago. Things have changed since then. We aren't living on the frontier without phones and TVs.
Don't worry. The likelihood of the men in "black helicopters" coming to take your guns away is zero to none.
I'm glad I don't have some basket of irrational fears I have to lug around in my head.
You don't give a rats ass about crimes against humanity? Do you think they can't happen to you simply because we have a constitution in the U.S? That constitution is ignored and misinterpreted everyday to fit some politician's agenda.

Read carefully, I'm not telling you that men are going to come and take you to prison for nothing or confiscate your guns. What I'm telling you is this there are people in the world who are being thrown in jail for expressing opinions. In England or Germany for example you can be thrown in jail for saying that you think the holocaust is exaggerated. Seriously that is enough to be thrown in jail. These are supposed to be developed civilized countries with free speech but they are not.

Mr. Duncan you say it is an irrational fear to think that the government might throw you in jail for nothing without having your day in court? This is happening in the United States. Inmates in the Guantanamo bay detention camp are held indefinitely without trials. Look I'm a vet of the so called "War On Terror". I'm not soft on Muslims, but I'll say again, if we can lock someone up indefinitely without trials and due process because we claim that they are an enemy combatant then explain to me why that can't happen to you? Why can't someone simply say that you are a terrorist and put you in jail for an undetermined amount of time? Due you think you'll have a chance to say your piece on the news? Do you think they will tell then public that they are putting you in jail because of your political agenda if your running for office or if your some sort of activist?

No my lemming they will tell the public that you were planning a terror attack, and they may even stage one and blame it on you.

Oh but let me guess, GITMO could never happen to a American like you right? Yeah that only happens to terrorists and Arabs right? If you think it can't happen to you, then you're not listening. It may never happen to you or someone you care about, but it is happening and you should be able to see that this is a very slippery slope. Enemy combatants should be shot on the battle field, but anyone that we detain for years is not an enemy combatant, they are a prisoner and should have a day in court.

GITMO is only one part of modern day tyranny, people have been targeted by the IRS for their political views. American citizens have been arrested while traveling in Germany because they wrote something while in the states that questions the holocaust.

I'll say again, guns are not only about hunting or protecting yourself from criminals. They are also a means for the citizenry to fight a tyrannical government. We may be a long way from communists coming to our homes and accusing us on anti-government conspiracies and hauling us off to prison without trials, but these things happened on a daily basis in the old soviet Union, and things are happening in the U.S today that wouldn't have been thought decades ago.

Maybe you will care about crimes against humanity when you are tortured by authorities or someone close to you is arrested for "suspected terrorism" or "hate speech" and detained without having a day in court. If you think it can never happen, then you are naive just like the citizens of the former Soviet Union.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#10 Nov 13, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
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No I haven't and neither have you.
I haven't faced danger? Serving in Afghanistan is not facing danger? Have you ever stood up to a bully? I have even when I was afraid. Is that not facing danger? Do you think I'm lying about serving? Or do you just think that doesn't count?

Let me be very clear here my lemming. I told the the U.S Army that I would do any job they asked me to do and go anywhere they asked me to go. Have you ever done anything similar? When a cop came to my door to arrest me once I was scared but I held my head up a faced the music. I was out the next day so don't go thinking I'm a felon. What would you have done since you say you've never faced danger? Would you have cried, or fussed? Are you a member of antifa?

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#14 Nov 13, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
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So... now the bullsht gets stripped from the buckwheat.....Why did the cops have to drag you out of your own home?

"Danger to yourself or others"?

Off your meds?

..... or...maybe .... on your "meds"?
Your pathetic. The cops didn't drag me out of my home. I walked out in cuffs but on my own two feet. I held my head up like a man and walked into that ward filled with about a hundred inmates and one guard. I don't take meds. It was not a violent or sexual offense. That's all I'm going to say about it.

If you can't see the danger in the government throwing people on jail and not giving them a day in court then you are a lost cause. Anyone can be called an enemy of the state or a terrorist even you my lemming. A enemy combatant should be killed on the battlefield. A prisoner gets a chance to plead his case in court. You turn a blind eye to what the government is doing in GITMO and someday someone will turn a blind eye when you or your grandsons are in jail or prison without having the right to plead their case.

You are only concerned with the here and now. You have plenty to eat and your comfortable. So you don't care about what's happening in the world around you. You are a text book definition of a lemming.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#17 Nov 14, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
You will have to excuse me for not sharing your psychotic delusions !
What psychotic delusions? People being put in prison without trials? That's not a psychotic delusion Duncan, that's really happening. Duncan There is such a thing as tyranny and it is happening in the world including our country. We do need to address the sickness in our society like all of the mass shootings but the answer is not disarming the public either partially or fully. Civilians being disarmed is how millions of them have been slaughtered by tyrants in history.

At this point your just refusing to lose the argument. Your out or fuel to argue with so your just going to call me names like psychotic or whatever. In truth you still simply don't care about things that are outside of your own belt. Your full. Your warm. Your safe and you don't care what is happening thousands of miles away or about what will happen in your country when your gone. Again you are a text book lemming.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#19 Nov 15, 2017
Duncan Page wrote:
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Nah. I think I was right the first time. You're delusional.
OK what have I said that's not true? Pick something please.
Simplejim

United States

#20 Nov 30, 2017
soyer wrote:
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OK what have I said that's not true? Pick something please.
Guns used right are fun I got 6 do I jerk off to them? No lol not obsessed at all they think if u own a gun you got a sick fettish lol.... I actually have not touched them in months I care less
Grey Ghost

United States

#21 Dec 1, 2017
Guns make me cry!

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#22 Dec 2, 2017
Simplejim wrote:
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Guns used right are fun I got 6 do I jerk off to them? No lol not obsessed at all they think if u own a gun you got a sick fettish lol.... I actually have not touched them in months I care less
I don't know what your trying to say. I support guns. I support very little gun control besides keeping them away from minors and violent criminals.
Couldnt Be More Stupid

United States

#24 Dec 13, 2017
This thread is for sissies.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#25 Dec 16, 2017
Couldnt Be More Stupid wrote:
This thread is for sissies.
Yep, made by yet another control-freak wuss who censors and deletes posts so his word is the ONLY opinion.

People like this would censor the whole world if they could.
Ferrerman

Greenbrier, AR

#26 Dec 16, 2017
Couldnt Be More Stupid wrote:
This thread is for sissies.
That's why I'm here!!!
Card Carrying Zionist

Fountain Valley, CA

#27 Dec 18, 2017
soyer wrote:
...if they are enemy combatants they should be shot on the battlefield. However if we are going to incarcerate them then they must have their day in court...If our government can throw accused terrorists in prison without trials then what is stopping them from throwing you in prison without a trial?...Can you see yet, the danger in you and the rest of the citizenry being disarmed Mr. Duncan? Do you think this could never happen because we have a constitution that guarantees a fair trial in the U.S? Well think about GITMO Mr. Duncan. The founding fathers of the U.S would say that the U.S has failed if they could see people imprisoned without their day in court. Enemy combatants are shot on the battlefield. People imprisoned are given a day in court. Period.

If they can do it to accused terrorists, why can't why do it to you or me? A citizenry that is disarmed is defenseless against a tyrannical government. Guns are not only about protecting one'self from criminals.
Regarding the war on terror, there is a difference between enemy combatants overseas and citizens arrested domestically. You write that enemy combatants should be shot on the battlefield. Are you claiming that it is more humane to shoot a captured enemy than to take him into custody as POWs? Senator McCain might take issue with that.
But on a more general level, I think that a lot of people only object to heavy-handed government tactics when it is the other party doing it. E.g., a lot of Republicans are objecting to some of Mueller's actions, and with some justification, IMO. But did these same people object to the tactics that Kenneth Starr used to investigate Bill Clinton? Also, the DEMS called the GOP "The Part of No" when they filibustered everything Obama tried to do, but now that Trump is in office, they are obstructionist. This is one reason why I am registered as "No Partisan Preference" with the California Registrar of Voters.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#28 Dec 20, 2017
Card Carrying Zionist wrote:
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Regarding the war on terror, there is a difference between enemy combatants overseas and citizens arrested domestically. You write that enemy combatants should be shot on the battlefield. Are you claiming that it is more humane to shoot a captured enemy than to take him into custody as POWs? Senator McCain might take issue with that.
But on a more general level, I think that a lot of people only object to heavy-handed government tactics when it is the other party doing it. E.g., a lot of Republicans are objecting to some of Mueller's actions, and with some justification, IMO. But did these same people object to the tactics that Kenneth Starr used to investigate Bill Clinton? Also, the DEMS called the GOP "The Part of No" when they filibustered everything Obama tried to do, but now that Trump is in office, they are obstructionist. This is one reason why I am registered as "No Partisan Preference" with the California Registrar of Voters.
Sorry it's taken me a while to respond. I didn't notice your post till now.

Look it is absolutely disturbing to hear people defend this policy of locking up accused terrorists and hold g them indefinitely without a trial. Let me explain why. When I think of this practice I think of certain events in history like the bolshevik revolution when communist secret police would drive around to apartment buildings in the old Soviet Union and accuse people of anti government conspiracies then haul them off prison for the rest of their lives.

They didn't tell the people that they were imprisoning people because they feared they old elite regaining power. They told them that these prisoners were enemies of the people and were evil.

Now tell me what is stopping our government from throwing you in jail or prison on an accusation like being a terrorist like the people in gitmo? We would not have thought about this generation's ago. Right now we may not be to the point of imprisoning American citizens without trials but we may very well be heading toward that. Can you agree that gitmo is a step toward that?

I am not a republican or a democrat. I am a white nationalist. However I do not hate non whites. I simply say that it is OK to be white. I don't want Muslim on my country and I day get our troops put of their CPU tries tomorrow. This whole war on terror Is the US throw g it's weight around in the Arab world for Israel's interest. This Jewish nation Hates whites even more than arabs and they want you American men to die for Israel. They went mullions of Arabs to die from American fire power. They want billions of American tax dollars to go to Israel and of they don't get it they will blackmail American politicians with bad media coverage and withholding campaign funds.

Politicians republican or democrat ate all scum in this modern world who Care more about personal gain Then about the good of the nation. The election of Trump is an act of desperation on the part of the American people. In today's modern world of crooked media and Jewish controlled media and campaign financing politicians must be self serving scum in order to get elected. Donald Trump is a big blow to this system which is destroying our country today and has been for many decades.
David Penis

United States

#29 Jan 7, 2018
The 2nd amendment was against England, not for police with nympho process like England‘s. The only reason modern police exist is George III protection run amok.

Since: May 10

Colorado Springs, CO

#30 Jan 7, 2018
David Penis wrote:
The 2nd amendment was against England, not for police with nympho process like England‘s. The only reason modern police exist is George III protection run amok.
Who is paying you to come on here and spew this mindless crap? This can not possibly be anyone's real viewpoint. Someone must be paying you to act as stupidly as possible. I must say your good at your job.
David Penis

United States

#31 Jan 8, 2018
soyer wrote:
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Who is paying you to come on here and spew this mindless crap? This can not possibly be anyone's real viewpoint. Someone must be paying you to act as stupidly as possible. I must say your good at your job.
What I said is accurate. Most state rights & anulments regarding liberty allow for loopholes against defendants in instances that are not civil. The National Guard are ‘militia‘ too.

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