In G.M.'s Comeback Story, a Big Role for Washington

There are 8 comments on the Nov 3, 2010, New York Times story titled In G.M.'s Comeback Story, a Big Role for Washington. In it, New York Times reports that:

Ron Bloom, the administrationa s point man in dealing with G.M., has kept in close touch with the top company executives.

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rALPH

Toronto, Canada

#1 Nov 3, 2010
... The U.S. won World War II. Germany lost and was devastated.

Yet note this remarkable headline in the October 27th Washington Post:

“A Bargain for BMW means jobs for 1,000 in S. Carolina:

Workers line up for $15 an hour—half of what German counterparts make.”

The German plant is backed by South Carolina taxpayer subsidies and is not unionized.

Newly hired workers at General Motors and Chrysler,

recently bailed out by taxpayers,

are paid $14 an hour before deductions.

The auto companies used to be in the upper tier of high paying manufacturing jobs.

Now the U.S. is a low-wage country compared to some countries in Western Europe and

the trend here is continuing downward ...

http://www.topix.com/world/north-america/2010...
Margarita

Totowa, NJ

#2 Nov 3, 2010
rALPH wrote:
... The U.S. won World War II. Germany lost and was devastated.
Yet note this remarkable headline in the October 27th Washington Post:
“A Bargain for BMW means jobs for 1,000 in S. Carolina:
Workers line up for $15 an hour—half of what German counterparts make.”
The German plant is backed by South Carolina taxpayer subsidies and is not unionized.
Newly hired workers at General Motors and Chrysler,
recently bailed out by taxpayers,
are paid $14 an hour before deductions.
The auto companies used to be in the upper tier of high paying manufacturing jobs.
Now the U.S. is a low-wage country compared to some countries in Western Europe and
the trend here is continuing downward ...
http://www.topix.com/world/north-america/2010...
LOL. If GM workers want even MORE money, maybe they should consider another profession. GM needs to make better cars before they brag about a comeback and pay their workers higher salaries. UAW workers in America make $30 more per hour than their Japanese counterparts and STILL manage to produce an inferior product. Despite all the U.S. taxpayer money they've stolen.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#3 Nov 3, 2010
Margarita wrote:
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LOL. If GM workers want even MORE money, maybe they should consider another profession. GM needs to make better cars before they brag about a comeback and pay their workers higher salaries. UAW workers in America make $30 more per hour than their Japanese counterparts and STILL manage to produce an inferior product. Despite all the U.S. taxpayer money they've stolen.
Japanese "counterparts" have cradle-to-grave health care.
More and more Americans will be paying their own way which means they will have no health care.

General Motor's recovery is terrible news for the Republicans. They wanted a total collapse of the company so that that too could be held against Obama.

Tough break, GOP!

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#4 Nov 3, 2010
Margarita wrote:
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LOL. If GM workers want even MORE money, maybe they should consider another profession. GM needs to make better cars before they brag about a comeback and pay their workers higher salaries. UAW workers in America make $30 more per hour than their Japanese counterparts and STILL manage to produce an inferior product. Despite all the U.S. taxpayer money they've stolen.
JD power claims that Buick and Jaguar tied for the most reliable cars in the world ahead of third place Lexus. Mercury (Ford) is number 5. Lincoln was 8th and Cadillac was 9th. That's 4 of the top 10. Even Chevrolet was ahead of Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Mini, Scion (Toyota), Kia, Mazda, Isuzu, Suzuki, Land Rover and Volkswagen.
http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA60525318...
Why do you hate American and the American workforce? Why is our economy turning out so bad? People like you. Buy American and boost our economy. Not only helping other Americans, but probably making your economic situation better as well.
Margarita

Totowa, NJ

#5 Nov 4, 2010
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>JD power claims that Buick and Jaguar tied for the most reliable cars in the world ahead of third place Lexus. Mercury (Ford) is number 5. Lincoln was 8th and Cadillac was 9th. That's 4 of the top 10. Even Chevrolet was ahead of Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Mini, Scion (Toyota), Kia, Mazda, Isuzu, Suzuki, Land Rover and Volkswagen.
http://www.autonews.com/assets/PDF/CA60525318...
Why do you hate American and the American workforce? Why is our economy turning out so bad? People like you. Buy American and boost our economy. Not only helping other Americans, but probably making your economic situation better as well.
LOL. I don't hate American workers. Just their CHOSEN union. The greedy and corrupt UAW. A communist outfit whose members enjoy cradle-to-grave entitlements that regular Americans will never benefit from -- yet be forced to pay the bill!

Disband the UAW and I think Americans will have some interest in buying Detroit-made cars again!

Go USA!!!

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#6 Nov 4, 2010
Margarita wrote:
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LOL. I don't hate American workers. Just their CHOSEN union. The greedy and corrupt UAW. A communist outfit whose members enjoy cradle-to-grave entitlements that regular Americans will never benefit from -- yet be forced to pay the bill!
Disband the UAW and I think Americans will have some interest in buying Detroit-made cars again!
Go USA!!!
The greedy union. How dare they want a livable wage. Starting rate is barely over $14 an hour. Is that greedy? Communist outfit? Unions vote. They vote on their contracts, their leaders. Who says they're communist? Fascist corporatists. Their 'entitlements' are normally called benefits. What's wrong with negotiating decent benefits like health care, pensions, and some vacation? For decades that was the norm for all Americans. That was until fascist corporatists took over this nation. 1979 the average CEO made 80 times more than their average laborer. Today the average CEO makes over 500 times more than the average laborer. I don't notice you whining about the fat cats.
Chances are you are middle class and you are begrudging other middle class laborers a decent wage. It just doesn't make sense.
Margarita

Totowa, NJ

#7 Nov 4, 2010
sofa_king_cool wrote:
<quoted text>The greedy union. How dare they want a livable wage. Starting rate is barely over $14 an hour. Is that greedy? Communist outfit? Unions vote. They vote on their contracts, their leaders. Who says they're communist? Fascist corporatists. Their 'entitlements' are normally called benefits. What's wrong with negotiating decent benefits like health care, pensions, and some vacation? For decades that was the norm for all Americans. That was until fascist corporatists took over this nation. 1979 the average CEO made 80 times more than their average laborer. Today the average CEO makes over 500 times more than the average laborer. I don't notice you whining about the fat cats.
Chances are you are middle class and you are begrudging other middle class laborers a decent wage. It just doesn't make sense.
LOL. Forget starting wages. Let's talk AVERAGE wages.

Average UAW worker =$65/hour

Average Japanese auto worker =$35/hour

That's a $30 difference PER HOUR. Don't even get me started on the Cadillac retirement plans the UAW workers get ... not to mention Japan makes much better cars!

Disband the UAW. Next.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#8 Nov 4, 2010
Margarita wrote:
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LOL. Forget starting wages. Let's talk AVERAGE wages.
Average UAW worker =$65/hour
Average Japanese auto worker =$35/hour
That's a $30 difference PER HOUR. Don't even get me started on the Cadillac retirement plans the UAW workers get ... not to mention Japan makes much better cars!
Disband the UAW. Next.
Thanks for spreading the lies.
"As for generous benefits, yes, UAW members have some of the best benefits of any union. They don't have to worry about visiting the doctor or paying for prescriptions. The cost of these benefits is the equivalent of roughly $10 per hour. Add the "bennies" to the base wage of $28 an hour, and you get a total of $38 per hour. When the Big Three auto executives state that the cost of health care adds up to $1,600 per vehicle sold (or unsold), they're telling the truth.
How did the $70 per hour myth grow roots? Conservative analysts have chosen to divide the automakers' total personnel expenses by the number of active workers. This means that $70 per hour statistic includes all pensions and benefits being paid to retirees - in other words, other people."
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1234...
So the top tier pay rate is really $28 an hour. Nowhere near your $65 an hour.
The Japanese might get $35 an hour but they don't include health benefits and retirement benefits to their overall costs because their government provides those benefits. So realistically. The actual pay rate is higher in Japan than it is here.
According to JD power as I've shown you, Honda, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Scion (Toyota), and Suzuki are all rated BELOW Cadillac.
Keep buying Japanese you American labor hating traitor.

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