Lethal Injection Under Scrutiny

Sep 28, 2007 | Posted by: The Associated Press | Full story: The Associated Press

“What causes it to go wrong is that the protocols aren't carried out properly”

Lethal injection was supposed to be the humane, enlightened way to execute inmates and avoid the pain and the gruesome spectacle of firing squads, the electric chair and the noose.

But now it, too, is under legal attack as cruel and unusual, with the U.S. Supreme Court agreeing this week to hear arguments that lethal injection can cause excruciating pain.

Some supporters of the procedure say the notion that inmates suffer is unproven. And they argue that there is nothing wrong with lethal injection itself; instead, they say, the problem is inadequately trained executioners. Read more

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Not a bleeding heart

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Sep 29, 2007
 
Why do we care? The criminal didn't care about the victim! The criminal has lived YEARS longer than the victim! Society was denied the contributions of the victim! Has any executed person come back and told anyone that they died in terrible pain? If so, I would certainly hope that the person told would have commented - TOUGH!
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Oct 1, 2007
 
lethal injections need to be stopped in the united states. these chemicals arent cheap, and are still costing taxpayers money. i have a very strong rope, and will gladly donate it to my state for the purpose of hanging criminals to death. this rope can be used over and over again. it will be able to hang most convicts in my state before it shows signs of wear. and remember, ropes are cheap and reuseable. hey, they killed so they should be killed. the cost of keeping convicted murderers, rapists, etc etc is staggering on the taxpayers. we need to get rid of this cost. hang-em and hang-em high. this will also work on illegal wetbacks.
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Oct 8, 2007
 
You want the execution to be humane? Bring back the machine. The machine does all the work and does the chemicals in the right order and everything. As far as I know, the machine never failed to kill a person humanely.
MourningMother

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Oct 23, 2007
 
I believe our system needs serious reform. Often it's the wrong ones being put to death.

The men and women who rape and murder children... deserve to die, no question about it... but they are the ones being put back into society. They are the one's moving next door to you or me...

As far as method...
I do not believe in lethal injection or the electric chair... both cost tax payers way too much and one watses too much electricity.
Grow Hemp! It's cheaper and makes great rope!
Everyone who rapes and or murders a child... hang 'em high for $2.75 worth of rope and a good strong tree branch is free!
MourningMother

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Oct 23, 2007
 
Hemp & a Tree branch is humane... Mother Nature is always best!
disgusted human being

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Nov 3, 2007
 
Do your hear yourselves. Do you think that you are so much better than somebody else for having such little regard for a human life. I am not defending the henious crimes and the terrible monsters who are murderers and child molesters, but how can you sit there and judge, so heartlessly. And another thing, DrDeth, do you think that your family at one time were never immagrants? Those, "wetbacks" as you call them, are probably harder workers than you! They work harder, get paid less, and are doing it all to help their families. Not everyone is born to privilege and do what it takes to live life. Why don't you take some of this un-directed "passion" you have and turn it around and do something good for this country! Instead of wasting it on being so judgemental and predjudice! It makes me sick to think I share the same air with the lot of you! Educate yourselves!!

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Nov 7, 2007
 

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Do your hear yourselves. Do you think that you are so much better than somebody else for having such little regard for a human life. I am not defending the henious crimes and the terrible monsters who are murderers and child molesters, but how can you sit there and judge, so heartlessly. And another thing, DrDeth, do you think that your family at one time were never immagrants? Those, "wetbacks" as you call them, are probably harder workers than you! They work harder, get paid less, and are doing it all to help their families. Not everyone is born to privilege and do what it takes to live life. Why don't you take some of this un-directed "passion" you have and turn it around and do something good for this country! Instead of wasting it on being so judgemental and predjudice! It makes me sick to think I share the same air with the lot of you! Educate yourselves!!
OMG your the one judging here! Everybody here is entitled to their own thoughts. I say cheaper is better. Missouri needs prison reforms. Bleeding hearts like you that have never been on the other end (familys of the murdered) need to grow up!!
Death penalty is wrong

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Dec 2, 2007
 
Lethal injections should be stopped. When a crimnal gets executed it's just like teaching our society to kill in vengeance in stead of to forgive. Moste of the killers are in the heat of passion, under the influence or mentally incapacitated... we need to stop this!

“Save a tree.. Eat a Beaver.”

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Dec 2, 2007
 
This seems stupid to me. Cruel and unusual? Taking the second half of that first.. the "unusual".. EVERY punishment is unusual when it is first used. The solution to ending it's status as "unusual" is to do it more often.

As for "cruel".. consider how the punishment is imposed. First a massive dose of a sedative, like sodium pentathol, is given to put the person to sleep. I have had such injections when having dental work done, and that is no more painful than a pin prick. THEN, a massive dosage of a paralytic, stopping the heart and breathing, is administered.

The person goes to sleep, and simply, painlessly, never wakes up again. Most of us will die from long debilitating diseases and stuff like that. Statistics from a chronic pain website I have studied (I live with chronic nerve pain brought about by an electocution, and am destined to be on morphine for the rest of my life) show that some 30% to 40% of the elderly live in moderate to severe pain during the last year of life. These criminals are dying in a way that most of us can only HOPE we do... painlessly in our sleep.

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Dec 2, 2007
 
Death penalty is wrong wrote:
Lethal injections should be stopped. When a crimnal gets executed it's just like teaching our society to kill in vengeance in stead of to forgive. Moste of the killers are in the heat of passion, under the influence or mentally incapacitated... we need to stop this!
Those who are given the death penalty are not those who did the action due to mental incapacity, or even commited the crime in the heat of passion. Killing in the heat of passion is second degree murder. The death penatly is imposed in capital murder cases... such cases as cold, calculated, premeditated murder, or in cases where the murder resulted from a willing commission of another crime.

Some try to say that capital punishment does not deter such crimes, but that is bunk. Other punishments do not deter such crimes, as we have seen time and again of people sentenced to life in prison either killing after being released, after an escape, or killing guards and inmates (Shannon Agofsky in Texas is one good example). Capital Punishment on the other hand DOES deter murder, unless you can name me ONE person who has been executed who ever killed again.

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Dec 2, 2007
 
disgusted human being wrote:
And another thing, DrDeth, do you think that your family at one time were never immagrants? Those, "wetbacks" as you call them, are probably harder workers than you!
My ancestors WERE immigrants, roughly 15000 years ago when they crossed the Bering Straits. Nevertheless, illegal immigrants are CRIMINALS who, the moment they step foot on our soil, are breaking into our home.. and by keeping wage scales depressed are stealing food from our children's plate.
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Instead of wasting it on being so judgemental and predjudice! It makes me sick to think I share the same air with the lot of you! Educate yourselves!!
It makes you sick to think you are sharing the same air? Who is being prejudiced and judgemental?

I would like to know, from someone on the pro-illegal side, if there is ANY population level at which they think we will have enough people in this country and not need any more? How many people do we need here before they decide that enough is enough? 400 million? A Billion? 5 Billion? An infinite amount?
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Dec 4, 2007
 
How is it that in this country we can scrap out a baby or kill it when all but his/her head is out but we are sympathetic to those who choose to do horrendous things? I'm not a huge fan of the death penalty-I would never need to be on that type of jury-but seriously we can kill the innocent and not the guilty? I think if we had tougher laws like some other countries maybe people would think a little harder before committing some of these crimes.
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Dec 11, 2007
 
VinMo wrote:
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Those who are given the death penalty are not those who did the action due to mental incapacity, or even commited the crime in the heat of passion. Killing in the heat of passion is second degree murder. The death penatly is imposed in capital murder cases... such cases as cold, calculated, premeditated murder, or in cases where the murder resulted from a willing commission of another crime.
Some try to say that capital punishment does not deter such crimes, but that is bunk. Other punishments do not deter such crimes, as we have seen time and again of people sentenced to life in prison either killing after being released, after an escape, or killing guards and inmates (Shannon Agofsky in Texas is one good example). Capital Punishment on the other hand DOES deter murder, unless you can name me ONE person who has been executed who ever killed again.
VinMO, what exactly do you know about the Agofsky case? Are you informed about his original case and how ridiculously flimsy the evidence that convicted him was? Do you know what the "what for" statute is? If Agofsky's original case were to be overturned he would most likely only serve a 5 year sentence for killing Luther Plant (in self defense no less) because when you analyze the crime it really does NOT meet capital punishment standards. Nobody should be executed when there only crime is defending themselves in a rec cage againsr 4 known gang members, one who was most likely weilding a shank.
All I am saying is learn the facts before you spout off about wether or not people deserve to die at the hands of the government. It could be your brother, father or friend who is sent to their death unjustly and then you have to ask yourself would you be so quick to sing the praises of the death penalty? And don't get me wrong, I have been a life long advocate of the death penalty. I have voted Republican for almost 20 years now. But in my opinion, the system fails all of us when any innocent person is murdered in our name or when the system abuses the killing machine by putting people to death for crimes that do not meet the appropriate level.

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VinMO, what exactly do you know about the Agofsky case? Are you informed about his original case and how ridiculously flimsy the evidence that convicted him was?
LOL, you gotta be kidding. I am sure I am better informed about his case than you... much better informed than you. I know Shannon Agofsky personally, and have known him for 18 years. I went to High School with him. I also knew the man he murdered which got him put in prison to begin with. I was there when the body of Dan Short was dragged from the lake. I was actually AT THE TRIAL.. were YOU? I know his entire family, I know the attorney's that both defended AND prosecuted him, as well as the judge that presided over the case. Who and what do YOU know?

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Dec 11, 2007
 
Patriot wrote:
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... or when the system abuses the killing machine by putting people to death for crimes that do not meet the appropriate level.
Capital Murder. Kidnapping, and torture of a bank president, then, after robbing the bank, duct taping the victim into a chair, attaching a brick and chain hoist to the chair, and throwing him, conscious, into Grand Lake of the Cherokees. ALL OF WHICH WAS DELIBERATE AND PREMEDITATED.

I think that easily qualifies as meeting the "appropriate level".

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Dec 11, 2007
 
OOPS. I will make a correction. I have not known Shannon for 18 years, I have known him for 23 years. My mistake.
Patriot

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Dec 11, 2007
 
I also known Shannon. No need to throw around how many years because I seriously don't see that as relevant. I'm sorry but I don't believe for one minute you were at the trial because if you really were you would not be so certain of his guilt.

First things first. The duct tape has no fingerprints on the entire roll-EXCEPT (according to the proescution) for one small piece found by the nephew of the Chief of Police. Hmmmmmm. But then even that piece was lost looooooong before the actual trial so the only forensic evidence linking Shannon to the scene is GONE FOREVER and nobody can ever retest it. So he is convicted on only the testimony of a an FBI analyst from a lab which has since been impeached in other cases. Just talk with Whitehurst, my friend.

Do some googles on the gladiator fighting at Beaumont and enlighten yourself on how common it was for the guards to set up fights between known rival inmates just for grins and giggles. Shannon was put in a position where it was his life or Luther Plant's. I'm glad Shannon won.

I have recently received Shannon's ENTIRE prison disciplinary record. He has had amazingly few DHO's since his first incarceration. What few he had were very minor (refusing to serve food), nothing which rose to the level of being so violent as to take man's life just for the hell of it.

You don't know Shannon and you quite obviously know very little about his cases so please don't sit here and act like you do. You may have had some contact with him like, what? 20 freaking years ago? Not now. So shaddup.

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Dec 12, 2007
 
Perhaps you are unaware of other evidence which existed as well... such as the chain hoist.. it belonged to a neighbor who was a friend of mine, and he had loaned it to Shannon and Shannon never returned it. It just happened to end up attached to the chair. Then there is the chair, brought from a house which Shannon had access to. Then there is the money that Shannon was throwing around... huge amounts of which was change, just as was stolen from the bank. Cameras shot out by a gun of the same caliber which he was known to own, but which mysteriously disappeared.
I do not really care what you believe... this is a small town, and my contact with him had been MUCH more than just 20 yrs ago. I had partied with him numerous times over the years, and knew him and his wife (who I had conversations with on a weekly basis) quite well.
He deserved lethal injection then, and still does. Looking forward to the announcement of his sentence being carried out. Those of us in McDonald County who knew him for years have not been conned by him as you apparently have.

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Dec 12, 2007
 
"I'm sorry but I don't believe for one minute you were at the trial because if you really were you would not be so certain of his guilt."

You actually think that YOU who WEREN'T at the trial (thus were unable to see such things as his demeanor and reactions during trial) can make the judgement about how good the case was.. in fact you apparently think you are better qualified to make that judgement than people who WERE at the trial. Not just myself walked out of there convinced of his guilt... at leat 12 other citizens (the ones who counted) were convinced as well.

But you, who were not there, know BETTER. Suuuure.
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Dec 13, 2007
 
VinMo wrote:
Perhaps you are unaware of other evidence which existed as well... such as the chain hoist.. it belonged to a neighbor who was a friend of mine, and he had loaned it to Shannon and Shannon never returned it. It just happened to end up attached to the chair. Then there is the chair, brought from a house which Shannon had access to. Then there is the money that Shannon was throwing around... huge amounts of which was change, just as was stolen from the bank. Cameras shot out by a gun of the same caliber which he was known to own, but which mysteriously disappeared.
I do not really care what you believe... this is a small town, and my contact with him had been MUCH more than just 20 yrs ago. I had partied with him numerous times over the years, and knew him and his wife (who I had conversations with on a weekly basis) quite well.
He deserved lethal injection then, and still does. Looking forward to the announcement of his sentence being carried out. Those of us in McDonald County who knew him for years have not been conned by him as you apparently have.
You're so stupid that I am kicking myself for even continuing this conversation with you. Shannon was NEVER married. If you knew him as well as you claim you would know that. The chain hoist was not really part of the evidence in either trial that could be tied to Shannon. It had nothing to do with why he was convicted. He was convicted because of the testimony from Webb re the fingerprints on the tape and because of testimony from so called jailhouse "snitches". Puh. Shannon had inherited a LARGE amount of money from the settlement with the company his father worked for when he died. He had no reason to throw around "loose change". So no dice there, buddy. There was also NO ballistics evidence presented at trial. So all we have here is your own worthless speculation and theories. None of which is enough to convict a man.

I am willing to place money on his Beaumont case being overturned and quite possibly someday the Dan Short case as well. I also look forward to the REAL perps in that case being brought to justice someday.

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