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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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File this under "sometimes being a blowhard Birfoon bites you in the cheap hair piece"

http://www.examiner.com/article/macy-s-loses-...

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Puss, Stevens was a US citizen.
Ya don't say! AMBASSADOR Stevens was a citizen. Wowee-Zowee!

Now put your play robe and toy gavel away, your mommy won't give you milk and cookies if you leave your play room a mess.
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Play Justice Dale is on the wrong page. Does the birfoon understand that the diplomatic mission at Benghazi was a DIPLOMATIC MISSION?
As an AMBASSADOR, Ambassador Stevens was not subject to the jurisdiction of Libya per diplomatic immunity.
Play Justice Dale needs to put his play robes and toy gavel away and simply GROW UP.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no, to be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", you must be a citizen.
When traveling on vacation from the East coast to the West coast, you are under many jurisdiction, but that does not give you citizenship to each of those states.
The problem you are having with jurisdiction and aliens is that you equate citizenship with jurisdiction. A nation's jurisdiction is not based on a person's citizenship but rather a person's being within the physical boundary's of a nation.

The first clause of the 14th Amendment states:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

The rationale that the drafters inserted the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in this sentence is to exempt indians
who inhabited the boundary of the United States but were not considered citizens of the United States.

In 1884, Juistice Gray wrote: "This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards, except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.

Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian tribes (an alien, though dependent, power), although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more "born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," within the meaning of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, than the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government, or the children born within the United States, of ambassadors or other public ministers of foreign nations. Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, 101-102 (1884)

As such, a nation's jurisdiction is not based on a person's citizenship. That is why courts have held that an alien residing in the United States is under the jurisdiction of the United States. Carlisle v. United States, 83 US 147 (1873)

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Jimmy Carter, did try to rescue the hostages, Obama was too chickenshit to even try a rescue.
Looks like Jimmy Carter was a better POTUS than Obama! Now that is really saying something, never thought I would be stating such a fact.
Not according to news reports:

Central Intelligence Agency officers in Benghazi, Libya, sent a security team to the U.S. diplomatic mission there less than 25 minutes after the post was attacked by Islamic militants, according to a timeline provided by a senior U.S. intelligence official.
The first call reporting the Sept. 11 attack came into the CIA base in an annex to the mission in Benghazi at around 9:40 p.m., said the official, who spoke last night on condition of anonymity because intelligence reports are classified.
The intelligence officers at the annex in Benghazi responded to the situation as quickly and as effectively as possible in the face of heavy enemy fire, the official said. In particular, the security officers, one of whom was killed, were genuine heroes, the official said.
The officers attempted to rally local support to reinforce militiamen hired to guard the compound and obtain heavier weapons, and when they were unable to do so within minutes, they still risked their lives by going to the aid of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and his colleagues in the main part of the compound, the official said.
Contradicting other reports and allegations, the official said everyone from the senior officers in Libya to the top officials in Washington were fully engaged in trying to provide whatever help they could.
The Pentagon “took swift action,” spokesman George Little told reporters today. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta ordered the deployment of forces, including two Marine Corps Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams, a special operations unit based in Central Europe and and U.S.-based contingent of troops, Little said.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no, to be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", you must be a citizen.
When traveling on vacation from the East coast to the West coast, you are under many jurisdiction, but that does not give you citizenship to each of those states.
Again, you don't have to be a citizen to be under the jurisdiction of several states while you are travelling.
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wojar wrote:
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When traveling on vacation from the East coast to the West coast, you are subject to the jurisdiction of many states, but that does not give you citizenship to each of those states.
Now go put your play robe away and your toy gavel.
Grow up.
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to be "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" you must be a citizen.(14th Amend)
The US Constitution was created for "We the People/Citizens", not "We the aliens".

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Finch,
You are not pulling the wool over anyone's eyes but your own.
Benghazi is all smoke and vapours until I declare otherwise.
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Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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Not according to news reports:
Central Intelligence Agency officers in Benghazi, Libya, sent a security team to the U.S. diplomatic mission there less than 25 minutes after the post was attacked by Islamic militants, according to a timeline provided by a senior U.S. intelligence official.
The first call reporting the Sept. 11 attack came into the CIA base in an annex to the mission in Benghazi at around 9:40 p.m., said the official, who spoke last night on condition of anonymity because intelligence reports are classified.
The intelligence officers at the annex in Benghazi responded to the situation as quickly and as effectively as possible in the face of heavy enemy fire, the official said. In particular, the security officers, one of whom was killed, were genuine heroes, the official said.
The officers attempted to rally local support to reinforce militiamen hired to guard the compound and obtain heavier weapons, and when they were unable to do so within minutes, they still risked their lives by going to the aid of U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and his colleagues in the main part of the compound, the official said.
Contradicting other reports and allegations, the official said everyone from the senior officers in Libya to the top officials in Washington were fully engaged in trying to provide whatever help they could.
The Pentagon “took swift action,” spokesman George Little told reporters today. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta ordered the deployment of forces, including two Marine Corps Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams, a special operations unit based in Central Europe and and U.S.-based contingent of troops, Little said.
Approx. 7 hours of fighting occurred, that could have been cut to 1. Your chickenshit POTUS sacrificed 4 US citizens, then called them "a bump in the road"! Unacceptable!
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Again, you don't have to be a citizen to be under the jurisdiction of several states while you are travelling.
Finally, you are correct!
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>to be "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" you must be a citizen.(14th Amend)
The US Constitution was created for "We the People/Citizens", not "We the aliens".
Everyone in the USA including illegal aliens with the sold exception of the families of foreign diplomats is under the jurisdiction of the USA.
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So, who shoved the crack up your crack? LMAO!!! Moocher, Tax Evader, Drain on Society.
Sorry, I don't live in one of the top 47% states who do not pay income tax as you do. LMAO!!!
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Ellen1 wrote:
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Everyone in the USA including illegal aliens with the sold exception of the families of foreign diplomats is under the jurisdiction of the USA.
Which means exactly what?
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Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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The problem you are having with jurisdiction and aliens is that you equate citizenship with jurisdiction. A nation's jurisdiction is not based on a person's citizenship but rather a person's being within the physical boundary's of a nation.
The first clause of the 14th Amendment states:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
The rationale that the drafters inserted the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" in this sentence is to exempt indians
who inhabited the boundary of the United States but were not considered citizens of the United States.
In 1884, Juistice Gray wrote: "This section contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two sources only: birth and naturalization. The persons declared to be citizens are "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards, except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.
Indians born within the territorial limits of the United States, members of, and owing immediate allegiance to, one of the Indian tribes (an alien, though dependent, power), although in a geographical sense born in the United States, are no more "born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof," within the meaning of the first section of the Fourteenth Amendment, than the children of subjects of any foreign government born within the domain of that government, or the children born within the United States, of ambassadors or other public ministers of foreign nations. Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94, 101-102 (1884)
As such, a nation's jurisdiction is not based on a person's citizenship. That is why courts have held that an alien residing in the United States is under the jurisdiction of the United States. Carlisle v. United States, 83 US 147 (1873)
an alien is an alien, wheather Indian or a German national, neither are subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, this was created only for the citizens, "We the People".
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Ellen1 wrote:
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Everyone in the USA including illegal aliens with the sold exception of the families of foreign diplomats is under the jurisdiction of the USA.
finally, you are correct, they are not bound to the US Constitution by being subjects of it.
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jacqazz, you can't use the word joke. One must understand at least one sliver of humor first! squidshat
Excuses already. I expected it, but not that fast. What a loser. Remember "Can you hear us coming?" Ha ha.
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Ya don't say! AMBASSADOR Stevens was a citizen. Wowee-Zowee!
Now put your play robe and toy gavel away, your mommy won't give you milk and cookies if you leave your play room a mess.
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Justice ha ha Dale never knew that to be a U.S. Ambassador, one had to be a U.S. citizen. Never too late to learn, I guess.
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Was there a ruling in these cases? Please post them.
Here is one:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012/02/malihi...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

Here are the words of some of the rulings:

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling:“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling:“It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling:“No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here.… The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling:“However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States.‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.[The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling:“Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President.… Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”

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<quoted text>an alien is an alien, wheather Indian or a German national, neither are subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, this was created only for the citizens, "We the People".
The Constitution was not created solely for citizens that is why the preamble states "We the People" not "We the Citizens". The constitution was created to protect ALL PEOPLE not just citizens.

"The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." These provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws." Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)

That is why your understanding of the Constitution is flawed is because you do not equate People in the Constitution with people who are not citizens.
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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Justice ha ha Dale never knew that to be a U.S. Ambassador, one had to be a U.S. citizen. Never too late to learn, I guess.
Your stupidity is showing!
Oh, I get it, you just wanted to see your NPD thought in print.
Ho, me, me, me! You get'em sport!
STFU!!!
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>finally, you are correct, they are not bound to the US Constitution by being subjects of it.
Indeed. EVERYONE who is in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Foreigners who are visiting the USA are not bound to the US Constitution, but if they have children in the USA, the children have allegiance to the US Constitution; they are Natural Born US Citizens.

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