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BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 225385 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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ehancock

Dedham, MA

#104936 Sep 2, 2012
LurkerLooky wrote:
Yes, according to the transcript James Orengo did say this:
"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation, how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become president of America?"
http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2010/04/13/di...
Yes. He did say it. It is a fact that some people in Kenya believe that Obama was born in Kenya. But their belief is wrong (and you notice that he did not cite any evidence).

Here are some reasons why that belief is wrong:

(1) The Kenyan government investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and found that he was NOT born there.

“Jon Chessoni, a first secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, can’t understand why his office gets so many baseless questions about whether Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

“It’s madness,” said Chessoni on Monday.“His father, in 1961, would not even have been in Kenya. When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.””

http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged...

(2) A grand total of 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, so the idea that Obama and his mother were two of them is pretty far-fetched.

(3) WND has proven with a FOI Act request that Obama senior was in Hawaii throughout 1961, so the notion that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya, a country with Yellow Fever, at enormous expense and risk of stillbirth ALONE is also extremely far-fetched.

(4) There is no documentary proof that Obama was born in any other country than the USA, and there would have to be proof if indeed it were true.

That is because a child born outside of the USA requires either a US visa on a foreign passport or to be entered on the mother’s US passport to get to the USA. Those documents or the applications for them would still exist and would have been found easily IF Obama was born outside of the USA. But no such document has been found. Yes, of course, a child could be smuggled across either the Mexican or Canadian border, but that does not apply to Hawaii (which does not have a land border with a foreign country) and it certainly does not apply to the allegation of birth in Kenya.

(5) The government of Hawaii has said that there is a birth certificate that shows that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital. Officials of both political parties in Hawaii have stated this, and that includes the former Republican governor of Hawaii. That fact is further confirmed by the birth notices sent to the newspapers of Hawaii by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and by the Index Data.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#104937 Sep 2, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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If you are christian as you claim to be , the answer is YES.
Being a Christian doesn't mean one should support another who refuses to help themselves. Idle hands are the Devil's workshop ya know? Your idea of what a Christian is, is humorous at best.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#104938 Sep 2, 2012
Now this is an Associated Press piece and then lean left and they don't sound optimistic either.

Obama to voters: Don't let the GOP get you down
By BEN FELLER | Associated Press –

BOULDER, Colo.(AP)— President Barack Obama has a warning these days for young voters: Mitt Romney and the Republicans want to keep you away from the polls.
Nothing illegal. More like suppression by depression.
Tucked into his campaign speeches, Obama regularly asserts that the Republican presidential nominee and the outside political machinery supporting him want to get voters so down and disillusioned that they will decide their votes don't matter.
The message is not so much that such apathy would be bad for democracy, but that it would be bad for Obama. The president's advantage among young voters will be eroded if they get so turned off by it all that they have no compelling reason to vote.
"But understand, over the next two months, the other side is going to spend more money than we've ever seen in our lives with an avalanche of attacks ads and insults, and making stuff up, just making stuff up," Obama told roughly 13,000 students packed into a quad at the University of Colorado on Sunday.
"And what they're counting on is that you get so discouraged by this that at a certain point you say,'You know what, I'm going to leave it up to someone else.'... I'm counting on something different. I'm counting on you."
Left unsaid by the president are the negatives ads run by his campaign under his direct approval.
The support of young voters proved vital to Obama last time, and the Democratic incumbent still needs them. In an Associated Press-GfK poll released recently, 54 percent of registered voters under 35 said they would vote for Obama, compared to 38 percent for Romney. Older voters split about evenly.
more at;
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-voters-dont-let-g...
ehancock

Dedham, MA

#104939 Sep 2, 2012
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>You are wrong on all points. Wong Kim Ark is nothing close to Obama,Wong Kim Ark was born to 'two' married adults immigrants in the United States. Wong Kim Ark does not describe Natural Born Citizen. Wong Kim Ark does not pertain to Article II Section 1 of The Constitution,nor does it change it.
The Wong Kim Ark decision stated that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law and referred to the place of birth, thus making the number of US parents totally irrelevant (though Obama does have one US parent).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#104940 Sep 2, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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If you are christian as you claim to be , the answer is YES.
Jesus Christ did not take money from the rich and give to the poor! To so so is socialistic.
I am just grateful to the rich people who have given me jobs so I could earn my own money.
Just look at Steve Jobs. How many people did he provide good paying jobs for? Or would it have been better that he gave all his money to the government for them to divide?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#104941 Sep 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
Read the PLAIN LANGUAGE.
Thats right Wojar..."the congress"

IRS is not a part of the US govt, they have no jurisdiction.

When the congress starts taxing us this will apply.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#104942 Sep 2, 2012
Give iT UP Folks!:)

Regardless of "where' he was "hatched"...
He's LEAVING ...

The White House in January 2013

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#104943 Sep 2, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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How absurd. If Davis is the daddy, why hide it AT BIRTH and declare Obama is the daddy? Because if may be embarrassing if and when he becomes president in 57 years? Wow.
It wasn't hidden at birth.

Thats his problem.

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#104944 Sep 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you know? You were not a witness to your conception.
You want to cast aspersions on Ann Dunham?
You don't know if your mom was fooling around. Neither does your "dad".
If you want to play that game with the President, then you're fair game.
<quoted text>
I am not casting aspersions....wanna see the pictures?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#104945 Sep 2, 2012
Obama speech to soldiers met with silence

The audience remains quiet even when the commander-in-chief thanked the soldiers’ families, and cited the 198 deaths of their comrades in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The audience’s reaction was so flat that the president tried twice to elicit a reaction from the crowd.

“Hey, I hear you,” he said amid silence.

The selected soldiers who were arrayed behind the president sat quietly throughout the speech.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/31/obama-speec...

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#104946 Sep 2, 2012
ehancock wrote:
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The Wong Kim Ark decision stated that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law and referred to the place of birth, thus making the number of US parents totally irrelevant (though Obama does have one US parent).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
I agree.

Unlike other countries where a child's nationality is dependent upon the father's nationality, the founding fathers recognized that a child's citizenship is a personal birthright based on the child's place of birth established by the common law rule that a child born of aliens within the jurisdiction of the United States is a natural born citizen.

This concept of Jus Soli ("right of soil) is not a new one but rather it has been established in England and was the common law rule in colonial America and was still the rule after the adoption of the Constitution.

It was Blackstone's Commentaries of the Laws of England (1765) that summarized the status of children of aliens born in England when he wrote:
"The children of aliens, born here in England, are generally speaking, natural born subjects, and entitled to all the privileges of such."

Courts have recognized Blackstone's profound influence on the drafters of the Constitution.

"In the first century of American jurisprudence, Blackstone's "Commentaries were not merely an approach to the study of law; for most lawyers they constituted all there was of the law." Hart v. Massanari, 266 F. 3d 1155, fn. 14 (9th Cir. 2001)(internal citations omitted)

"Blackstone and Hale are among the accepted text books for the lawyers who were members of the constitutional convention." Tanksley v. United States, 145 F.2d 58, 60 (9th Cir. 1944)

"Blackstone's Commentaries had a wide circulation in America at the time of the Constitutional Convention. It is said that sixteen signers of the Declaration of Independence knew the book cover to cover. A source book of legal science, a landmark in law and literature. It is safe to say that it contents were familiar to every American lawyer in public life in 1789 and 1791. Sunray Oil Corp. v.Allbritton, 187 F.2d 475,478 (5th Cir. 1951)

That at the time of the drafting of the Constitution the drafters were acquainted Blackstone’s Commentaries including his definition of natural born subjects. Justice Stone observed:“It is noteworthy that Blackstone's Commentaries, more read in America before the Revolution than any other law book.” CJ Hendry Co. v. Moore, 318 US 133 , 151-152 (1943). Similarly, the court in United States v. Green, 140 F. Supp. 117, 120 (SD NY 1956) noted:“ Blackstone, whose Commentaries probably did much to influence the thinking of American lawyers at and before the time of the framing of the Federal Constitution.”

As such, it is inconceivable for the framers of the Constitution to "import" a foreign idea of citizenship based on the bloodline of fathers and not based on the Jus Soli doctrine
American Lady

Danville, KY

#104947 Sep 2, 2012
Colorado University Offers Course Credits To Students Who Campaign For Obama…

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/08/31/colorado-u...

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#104948 Sep 2, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a very novel theory that may have grains of truth or be even mostly the truth.
There is too much proof that Obama was born in Kenya, proof even coming from his own biography written before he became famous, much less pResident.
This is the reason for the fake birth certificates and fraudulent Social Security number.
We know that the long forms are fraudulent, meaning that the short forms were too.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/sheriff-joes-posse...
McCain had his own eligibility birth issue, and Obama apparently had dirt on the Clinton's and that is why they said nothing.
A deal was then struck between Democrats and Republicans to avoid all eligibility issues when Senate Resolution 511 was signed.
The Judicial branch was informed of the deal and has refused to hear the issue and let evidence be looked at objectively by dismissing the cases due to lack of standing or other procedural technicalities, or when actually hearing the evidence, totally avoiding the evidence by citing other courts bogus decisions citing the 14th Amendment as the basis for Obama's eligibility even though it does not contain the words in the Constitution of Natural born citizen.
Wasnt aware of 511....interesting.

What does his biography say?

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#104949 Sep 2, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And whose name is where your father's name is supposed to be?
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You are not playing fair!
I know right...

When its about something supporters can't defend....kinda sucks the fun out of it for them...

I don't care either way.
Jacques Ottawa

Montréal, Canada

#104950 Sep 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
He supports Obama. That should answer just how smart he is. Not to mention he isn't even from here. Very strange individual to say the least.
You're clueless. You and your insane birther buddies think that your country has some kind of wall built around it, and that no one outside can comment on its politics, or take sides come election time, to be for or against Obama or Romney, for that matter. Do you think that a Frenchman,a Brit, a German, a Russian, a Japanese, etc, cannot have an opinion on American politics, whether it comes from individual citizens or their media? Of course they can, as birthers and their zany publications can on other countries, but they can't, can they, as they know squat about their own country and even less about any country in the world. Cripes, you, SRL,. until you were apprised, thought Canada was "across the pond", part of France. I can criticise any American citizen or politician or praise any other. The trick remains to not base a country on one individual the way ignorant birthers do and not , never , sully a country.
Jacques Ottawa

Montréal, Canada

#104951 Sep 2, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>
It is obvious he is a paid TROLL.
I just hope ICE catches him when he comes across the border to vote in November.
Wish I could vote. However, I do help people to vote for the right candidate(s).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#104952 Sep 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Being a Christian doesn't mean one should support another who refuses to help themselves. Idle hands are the Devil's workshop ya know? Your idea of what a Christian is, is humorous at best.
"Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you shall be forgiven."

LRS has judged the needy as people who refuse to help themselves. Nicholas Timasheff, who was a professor of Sociology at Fordham for 17 years until he retired, once remarked, "The poor tend to be sick and the sick tend to be poor." However, LRS has set himself up as the judgmental authority with his trite "Devil's workshop" cliché. He knows how to judge and condemn. Good luck, Christian.
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are christian as you claim to be , the answer is YES.
ehancock

Dedham, MA

#104953 Sep 2, 2012
Scrutiny wrote:
<quoted text>
Wasnt aware of 511....interesting.
What does his biography say?
Obama's autobiography, the book Dreams from My Father, says that he was born in Hawaii.
Jacques Ottawa

Montréal, Canada

#104954 Sep 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Wotard is a paid troll. He has nothing to offer except denials.
LRS : Obama was born on Mars
Wojar : Not true. Can you prove it?
LRS : See, what did I tell ya? Wojar has nothing to offer except denials.
Jacques Ottawa

Montréal, Canada

#104955 Sep 2, 2012
akpilot wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong again. Wong was declared by the SCOTUS to be a citizen, nothing more, nothing less.
"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States. "- Wong Kim Ark v US
But, there is a case where one was declared to be natural born, having 2 citizen parents:
"The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants Page 307 U. S. 350 (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U. S. 227), declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States,"-Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
Miss Elg received something Ark did not- natural born status. This was due to the fact that her Father at the time of her birth was a naturalized US Citizen, as was her mother through her husbands naturalization. TWO US Parent's equals Natural Born- One or no US Citizen Parents equals citizen.
The court has spoken.
Yes, the 154 courts have spoken. Courts : 154, Birther birfoons : 0

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