Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10987 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

Since: Jan 08

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#11484 Feb 21, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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And here's a link to a statement by the researchers:
Repeal of Missouri's background check law associated with increase in state's murders
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-0...
A statement? By the "researchers"? Really?
You said "empirical" Danny.

Where is the meat?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11485 Feb 21, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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A blog? Really?
<rolls eyes>
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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A statement? By the "researchers"? Really?
You said "empirical" Danny.
Where is the meat?
People who have used Kleck and Gertz as sources aren't allowed to question anybody else's sources because they've already proven that they can't recognize legitimate, reliable, accurate, and verifiable empirical research.

LOL!

“Evolved hunter/gatherer”

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#11486 Feb 21, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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People who have used Kleck and Gertz as sources aren't allowed to question anybody else's sources because they've already proven that they can't recognize legitimate, reliable, accurate, and verifiable empirical research.
LOL!
Missed your target again Danny. You lay the acts of others at my feet.

You say ^there^ "verifiable empirical research".
All I have been asking you to do is VERIFY that this "empirical" writ exists. Show me the study Danny ... NOT some writings ABOUT a supposed study, which "proves" what you and the "researchers" claim.
Where is your link to the ACTUAL study?

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#11487 Feb 21, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
Guess what crime rates went down in Missouri since 2007.
More people die from guns than automobile fatalities in Missouri.

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#11488 Feb 21, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
Guess what crime rates went down in Missouri since 2007.
In the study which will be published in an issue of the Journal of Urban Health, a team of researchers led by Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research Director Daniel Webster found that between 55 to 63 more people were murdered each year after Missouri repealed its permit-to-purchase (PTP) handgun law in 2007.

Gosh: MORE...

Since: Feb 11

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#11489 Feb 21, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
Show me the study
I guess you can demand other people prove their posts while you post obvious lies and insist they disprove them.

Funny how that is.

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#11494 Feb 21, 2014
2ndAmRight wrote:
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REALLY?
Then kindly explain how a TEN MILLION DOLLAR STUDY AUTHORIZED by your hero, the ZERO,'obummer'. Came to the EXACT SAME CONCLUSION as Kleck and Gertz?.
It didn't.

You lie every time you open your mouth, Vance.

Part of the reason you need so many aliases.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11497 Feb 21, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Missed your target again Danny. You lay the acts of others at my feet.
You say ^there^ "verifiable empirical research".
All I have been asking you to do is VERIFY that this "empirical" writ exists. Show me the study Danny ... NOT some writings ABOUT a supposed study, which "proves" what you and the "researchers" claim.
Where is your link to the ACTUAL study?
So a summary by the authors doesn't convince you that the research even exists?

LOL! With paranoia like that, it's no wonder you are like you are.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11498 Feb 21, 2014
Aquarius-WY wrote:
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Missed your target again Danny. You lay the acts of others at my feet.
You say ^there^ "verifiable empirical research".
All I have been asking you to do is VERIFY that this "empirical" writ exists. Show me the study Danny ... NOT some writings ABOUT a supposed study, which "proves" what you and the "researchers" claim.
Where is your link to the ACTUAL study?
You are aware that this finding supports many other findings that say the same thing, right? It's not like they're breaking new ground. It's just further confirmation of what rational people already know.

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Harvard Injury Control Research Center

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.

2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.

3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993.

4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. State-level homicide victimization rates in the U.S. in relation to survey measures of household firearm ownership, 2001-2003. Social Science and Medicine. 2007; 64:656-64.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11502 Feb 21, 2014
A Georgia Republican introduced a bill legalizing shooting cops.

Unbelievable.

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2013-2014 Regular Session - HB 1046
Crimes and offenses; person has right to use deadly force against law enforcement officers who attempt violent entry into home without first knocking and announcing identity and purpose; provide

A BILL to be entitled an Act to amend Article 2 of Chapter 3 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to justification and excuse, so as to provide that a person has the right to use deadly force against law enforcement officers who attempt violent entry into such person's home without first knocking and announcing their identity and purpose; to amend Article 2 of Chapter 5 of Title 17 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to searches with warrants, so as to change provisions relating to issuance of search warrants by judicial officers; to provide that no-knock warrants shall not be issued in this state except under limited circumstances; to provide for related matters; to provide for an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.

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So to summarize...
1.) can kill any cop who doesn't knock.
2.) limited issue of "no knock" warrants.

What is WRONG with these people?

Since: Feb 11

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#11503 Feb 21, 2014
Ariz. police report doesn't say suspect had hands up when he was shot to death
Incident report filed by Eloy Police Department leaves out suspected car thief had his hands up when he was shot twice in the back. Cell phone footage shows Manuel Longoria being killed after car chase.

Police in the central Arizona city of Eloy failed to mention what happened in a few crucial moments before an accused car stealer was shot to death by a sheriff's deputy.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ariz...
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Just trying to even the playing field...

Since: Feb 11

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#11504 Feb 21, 2014
Here's that open season on Georgia cops bill:

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/Dis...
FormerParatroope r

Salt Lake City, UT

#11505 Feb 21, 2014
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
A Georgia Republican introduced a bill legalizing shooting cops.
Unbelievable.
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2013-2014 Regular Session - HB 1046
Crimes and offenses; person has right to use deadly force against law enforcement officers who attempt violent entry into home without first knocking and announcing identity and purpose; provide
A BILL to be entitled an Act to amend Article 2 of Chapter 3 of Title 16 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to justification and excuse, so as to provide that a person has the right to use deadly force against law enforcement officers who attempt violent entry into such person's home without first knocking and announcing their identity and purpose; to amend Article 2 of Chapter 5 of Title 17 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to searches with warrants, so as to change provisions relating to issuance of search warrants by judicial officers; to provide that no-knock warrants shall not be issued in this state except under limited circumstances; to provide for related matters; to provide for an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.
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So to summarize...
1.) can kill any cop who doesn't knock.
2.) limited issue of "no knock" warrants.
What is WRONG with these people?
Just a thought..... What if you heard noise outside your home, and suddenly people breaking in your door... You have no idea who they are, and you react in a way that kills one or more of them. You learn after the fact they are police and performed a no knock warrant on the wrong address.

Should you be held criminally liable?

“shall NOT be infringed”

Since: Oct 13

Phoenix

#11507 Feb 21, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
Here's that open season on Georgia cops bill:
http://www.legis.ga.gov/legislation/en-US/Dis...
Stop Police Brutality
http://www.policebrutality.info/

Shall I start posing the THOUSANDS OF LINKS that provide DETAILED INSTANCES of corrupt Police ALL ACROSS OUR COUNTRY?

Since: Feb 11

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#11508 Feb 21, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Just a thought..... What if you heard noise outside your home, and suddenly people breaking in your door... You have no idea who they are, and you react in a way that kills one or more of them. You learn after the fact they are police and performed a no knock warrant on the wrong address.
Should you be held criminally liable?
Why are they breaking down your down, shug?

Did you rip off the mattress tag that warns you not to remove under the penalty of the law?

Since: Feb 11

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#11511 Feb 21, 2014
2ndAmRight wrote:
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You're behind the times, trash-can Dan:
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306.
Opinion Quotes
September 20, 2013

The Texas Municipal Police Association (TMPA) responds to groups who misuse quotes from court opinions on their websites. TMPA fully supports the Constitution and believes that the 2nd Amendment is critical to keeping our nation free. TMPA also wholly supports the 1st Amendment and believes it is the duty of law enforcement officers to preserve these, and all, rights and freedoms of Americans. However, TMPA does not agree with the tactics of groups who post excerpts of court decisions without context to influence the thoughts and actions of others.

For example, TMPA does not condone the actions of a group who supports open carry in Texas not because of their mission, but because of the inappropriate use of excerpts from court opinions on their website. In one instance, the group quotes Plummer v. State,“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary”(Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306).

This particular court opinion was rendered in 1893 and the group does not offer any explanation of the unusual circumstances involved in the case. They also do not quote Evans v. State (App. 6 Dist. 1994) 876 S.W. 2d 459 which states,“Legality of arrest is not relevant to offense of aggravated assault of peace officer or defensive issue of self-defense.” In fact,“if you resist what you believe is an illegal arrest, you have just made that arrest legal,” explained Kevin Lawrence, TMPA Executive Director.

The quote on the group’s website in regards to Plummer v. State is one that is commonly misquoted by fringe groups, however the quote is fabricated. The full quote used on the group’s website does not actually appear in the court opinion (Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306).

Using quotes such as this, in this manner, is only going to incite violence. If a person is arrested and they believe their arrest was illegal, we urge them to seek recourse through the courts, not through violence.“The message these groups are sending is irresponsible and dangerous. This type of rhetoric puts law enforcement officers and Texas citizens in danger and TMPA will not remain silent when our members are threatened,” stated Lawrence.

Anyone who has questions about what a law actually means should contact their local district or county attorney’s office. You need to ask questions about opinions that are listed on the websites of groups who are trying to push specific agendas. Find out the real story behind an opinion; don’t just accept it as fact. And please, do not put yourselves and those around you in danger by inciting violence.

Established in 1950, the Texas Municipal Police Association (TMPA) is the voice of Texas law enforcement. Trusted, loyal and honest, TMPA is proud to represent more than 19,000 law enforcement officers across Texas. Focused on protecting those who serve, TMPA is committed to providing unmatched legal protection, dependable member support, affordable training and effective lobbying at state and local levels.

Copyright Business Wire 2013
Business Wire
September 20, 2013 - 9:33 AM EDT

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Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11512 Feb 22, 2014
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Just a thought..... What if you heard noise outside your home, and suddenly people breaking in your door... You have no idea who they are, and you react in a way that kills one or more of them. You learn after the fact they are police and performed a no knock warrant on the wrong address.
Should you be held criminally liable?
What are the chances that will ever happen to me? No knock warrants on the wrong address are extraordinarily rare. This is a solution in search of a problem.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11514 Feb 22, 2014
And if wrong address no knock raids are a problem, there are better solutions than legalizing shooting cops.
Inquiring Mind

Dundalk, MD

#11515 Feb 22, 2014
The so called rarity of botched police SWAT raids in America is a myth.

http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#11516 Feb 22, 2014
Inquiring Mind wrote:
The so called rarity of botched police SWAT raids in America is a myth.
http://www.cato.org/publications/white-paper/...
That article is a condemnation of military-style policing. Wouldn't simply eliminating military-style policing be the better solution than making it legal to shoot cops?

The most recent statistic I'm seeing in your 2006 article is from 2001. What's been the frequency of wrong-address no-knock police raids during the past 15 years?

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