Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10987 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9885 Oct 29, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
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Dan,
Serious question here.
Do you believe it is possible to over-regulate something?
I always answer your questions. How about you answer a couple before I answer more?

When was the last time you attempted suicide?

What is your empirical support for the assertion that "If someone wants to "end it all" they will do it with whatever is available"?

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#9886 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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I always answer your questions. How about you answer a couple before I answer more?
When was the last time you attempted suicide?
What is your empirical support for the assertion that "If someone wants to "end it all" they will do it with whatever is available"?
Never.

You already agreed with my assertion on the matter, so no need to continue.

Now, do you wish to continue deflecting?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9887 Oct 29, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
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Never.
You already agreed with my assertion on the matter, so no need to continue.
Now, do you wish to continue deflecting?
Thanks for one answer.

I never agreed to your false assertion. I specifically disagreed with your assertion. You are lying.

These weren't deflections. They were an attempt to get you to debate with integrity. I should have known that was fruitless.

And, yes, there is absolutely such a thing as over-regulation.

And let me know when you find that empirical evidence that all people who committed suicide with guns would have found another way - you know, something more than your opinion.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#9888 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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We regulate workplace safety which has reduced the number of fatal falls in the US.
Likewise additional regulation of firearm safety would reduce the number of fatal shootings in the US.
These are simple, objective facts supported by the evidence. Why can't you support YOUR claims with evidence?
Bullshit. Did you need a background check to buy that step ladder in the garage? The "regulation" hasn't changed the statistic, there are still 26000 falling deaths per year. Likewise additional regulation of firearms will have no impact on your statistic. So here's what we've got, if you regulate and restrict ladders........people find another way to fall and die. If you regulate firearms......psychos and criminals find another way to obtain firearms (they already have) and kill innocent people. See how that works? Squirm as you may, the onus is still on you to answer the questions and properly quantify your statistic. Otherwise you're just blowin' hot air. Try again Danny Boy.

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#9889 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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LOL! Okay Squash Jr. You're using his same lame "prove me wrong" argument to avoid substantiating your baseless claim.
If you can't prove it, just say so. I already know that's the case, but you'll feel better if you display a little integrity for a change.
Lie caught.

Here you agreed with me.

Thank you for your time.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9890 Oct 29, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
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Lie caught.
Here you agreed with me.
Thank you for your time.
How did I agree with you there? By calling your claim baseless or by saying that I knew you couldn't prove it?

LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9892 Oct 29, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshit. Did you need a background check to buy that step ladder in the garage? The "regulation" hasn't changed the statistic, there are still 26000 falling deaths per year. Likewise additional regulation of firearms will have no impact on your statistic. So here's what we've got, if you regulate and restrict ladders........people find another way to fall and die. If you regulate firearms......psychos and criminals find another way to obtain firearms (they already have) and kill innocent people. See how that works? Squirm as you may, the onus is still on you to answer the questions and properly quantify your statistic. Otherwise you're just blowin' hot air. Try again Danny Boy.
Because of OSHA regulations and regulations for assisted living and personal care homes, death rates by falling are lower than they were before those regulations.

I've provided the source for my statistics. Why won't you provide one for your assertion?

It's because you know it's false, isn't it?

LOL!

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#9893 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for one answer.
I never agreed to your false assertion. I specifically disagreed with your assertion. You are lying.
These weren't deflections. They were an attempt to get you to debate with integrity. I should have known that was fruitless.
And, yes, there is absolutely such a thing as over-regulation.
And let me know when you find that empirical evidence that all people who committed suicide with guns would have found another way - you know, something more than your opinion.
Gee Danny, you haven't answered the suicide question yet and you're calling someone else a liar. Can you say PROJECTION?

How many of your 32000 gun deaths are suicides with a history of multiple attempts?

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#9894 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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How did I agree with you there? By calling your claim baseless or by saying that I knew you couldn't prove it?
LOL!
You did not state "I knew you couldn't prove it."

You stated, in response to my post that "I already knew that was the case."

Now continue to spin and twist.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#9895 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Because of OSHA regulations and regulations for assisted living and personal care homes, death rates by falling are lower than they were before those regulations.
I've provided the source for my statistics. Why won't you provide one for your assertion?
It's because you know it's false, isn't it?
LOL!
If that's true, why are there still 26000 falling deaths per year? A reduction in the work place and in nursing homes didn't equate to a reduction of the over all rate of death by falling. What does that tell you? In simple terms..........people found another way to fall and die at the same rate. We're talking about the private ownership of ladders, ropes, scaffolds, stairs, etc, should they be regulated too? Is there any aspect of a citizen's private life that you DON'T want to regulate and restrict?

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
- C. S. Lewis

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9896 Oct 29, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Gee Danny, you haven't answered the suicide question yet and you're calling someone else a liar. Can you say PROJECTION?
How many of your 32000 gun deaths are suicides with a history of multiple attempts?
About 40% of gun deaths are suicides. As far as I know, nobody tracks how many of those have a history of multiple attempts.

Do you have the answer, or is this just another in a long line of questions you're asking because you have no idea yourself?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9897 Oct 29, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
<quoted text>
You did not state "I knew you couldn't prove it."
You stated, in response to my post that "I already knew that was the case."
Now continue to spin and twist.
I already knew it was the case that you couldn't prove it, but I was giving you the chance to show some integrity.

Your reading comprehension handicap doesn't make me a liar or spinning and twisting.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9898 Oct 29, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>If that's true, why are there still 26000 falling deaths per year? A reduction in the work place and in nursing homes didn't equate to a reduction of the over all rate of death by falling. What does that tell you? In simple terms..........people found another way to fall and die at the same rate. We're talking about the private ownership of ladders, ropes, scaffolds, stairs, etc, should they be regulated too? Is there any aspect of a citizen's private life that you DON'T want to regulate and restrict?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
- C. S. Lewis
Oh, the death rate from falls has always been the level it is today? There has never been any reduction?

Only 6000 of those falls happened in the home. You're just making shit up again.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9899 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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About 40% of gun deaths are suicides. As far as I know, nobody tracks how many of those have a history of multiple attempts.
Do you have the answer, or is this just another in a long line of questions you're asking because you have no idea yourself?
Try again, Danny Boy.

From a link attached to your link (Death: Final Data for 2010, table 18): http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr...

Go to page 11, left hand column under "Firearm"....." Two major component causes of all firearm injury deaths in 2010 were suicide (61.2%) and homicide (35.0%)

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9900 Oct 29, 2013
What were you saying about someone else "making up shit again"?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9901 Oct 29, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Try again, Danny Boy.
From a link attached to your link (Death: Final Data for 2010, table 18): http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr...
Go to page 11, left hand column under "Firearm"....." Two major component causes of all firearm injury deaths in 2010 were suicide (61.2%) and homicide (35.0%)
Oh, I see where I goofed - I was looking at the chart for gun suicides by teenagers. Sorry about that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9902 Oct 29, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
What were you saying about someone else "making up shit again"?
I wasn't making anything up. He is.

Too bad you can't tell the difference. But that's what makes you a conservative, isn't it? LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9903 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Think about this gunners:
Suicide rates are highest where gun ownership is highest. The rate of mental illness does not impact this fact. And households with guns present have the higher rate of completed suicides than households who don't own firearms.
IOW - merely owning a gun increases your level of suicide risk, whether or not you have a mental illness and whether or not guns are used in completed suicides.
Funny that none of the gunners want to touch this one.

And by "funny" I mean "totally expected."

LOL!

Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#9904 Oct 29, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
I already knew it was the case that you couldn't prove it, but I was giving you the chance to show some integrity.
Your reading comprehension handicap doesn't make me a liar or spinning and twisting.
Round and round he goes, wherever Danny stops nobody knows.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9905 Oct 29, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
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Round and round he goes, wherever Danny stops nobody knows.
So do you not see your reading comprehension mistake or are you just pretending that it didn't happen?

Your stupidity doesn't make me a liar, kid.

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