Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

Mar 29, 2013 Full story: Chambersburg Public Opinion 11,004

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Since: Jun 08

Not Waynesboro or Hagerstown

#9464 Oct 22, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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What is your idea of a solution to eradicate the needless deaths caused by people with firearms?
I do hope you are not looking for specifics from Dan.
FormerParatroope r

Eau Claire, WI

#9465 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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I wonder how charging the dead toddler's parents will do any good. Do you think they aren't suffering enough - that they need to be punished more? Do you think others seeing her parents charged will cause them to be more careful with their own guns?
It is personal responsibility and accountability for your own actions. The negligence should be prosecuted whether they are suffering or not. It is criminal negligence that created the result of a dead child. Yes, they are suffering, but why? Because they are responsible for the death of their own child.

I have no sympathy that would allow them not be held accountable. In fact because it was a child who died for their negligence, I support increased punishment.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9466 Oct 22, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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What is your idea of a solution to eradicate the needless deaths caused by people with firearms?
You're joking, right? You act like we've just met and haven't had this conversation dozens of times already.

Why would anyone come to this thread and suggest anything that might reduce gun violence in this country when there is a gang of pro-gun activists just waiting to respond with hysterical personal attacks?

No, we have a Second Amendment. People are gonna die. That's just how it is. The only other option is a Godless socialist communist police state.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9467 Oct 22, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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It is personal responsibility and accountability for your own actions. The negligence should be prosecuted whether they are suffering or not. It is criminal negligence that created the result of a dead child. Yes, they are suffering, but why? Because they are responsible for the death of their own child.
I have no sympathy that would allow them not be held accountable. In fact because it was a child who died for their negligence, I support increased punishment.
So you support prosecution because we must consistently apply the law regardless of the specific circumstances? The point of the law is punishment and not deterrent?
FormerParatroope r

Eau Claire, WI

#9468 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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How about mandatory firearm safety training as a requirement for gun purchases? That would more directly impact the problem than training kids, many of whom will never own a gun and, those who would, are years away from actually buying one. Theoretical education years in the past is much less effective than recent, relevant education.
There is merit to your proposal.

Would you give credit for veterans, people who gave taken hunter safety classes or firearms training from certified instructors?

The value of firearm safety as part if the education curriculum has more value than you think. Children from rural areas usually, not always, have positive training from parents thru hunting. Reinforced safety education can be helpful. Children from inner city areas, especially where gangs are prevalent have negative exposure to firearms. Safety education in these places may save some lives, more so than not educating.

In a time where every State offers Concealed Carry Permits, the majority have requirements for training. Which contrary to some, I support, especially the safety and legal considerations.
I believe in the 3 S's, Safety, Safety, Safety.

What type if safety training do you think would be prudent, not only for adults, but for children as well?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9469 Oct 22, 2013
GenPatton wrote:
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I do hope you are not looking for specifics from Dan.
I see you prefer jumping in with personal attacks in conversations that don't involve you to responding to me in threads where I'm specifically addressing you.

I wonder why.

LOL!
FormerParatroope r

Eau Claire, WI

#9470 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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You're joking, right? You act like we've just met and haven't had this conversation dozens of times already.
Why would anyone come to this thread and suggest anything that might reduce gun violence in this country when there is a gang of pro-gun activists just waiting to respond with hysterical personal attacks?
No, we have a Second Amendment. People are gonna die. That's just how it is. The only other option is a Godless socialist communist police state.
There are reasonable people here as well. The extremes of both sides does make it difficult.

If reasonable people can exchange ideas, find something that both sides can agree to, it will do more than just slinging mud.

You and I have had reasonable exchanges, I for one would like to continue a reasonable conversation. There are few people who are capable of reason, and there are those who do not post. But read the exchanges here. Let's give hope to humanity. What do you say?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#9471 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Yes, if we properly punish the 2 year old and the 13 year old we won't have these kinds of incidents in the future. The only possible solution is to punish criminals after the fact. There's nothing that can be done to prevent gun violence in the first place.
You just love to twist things to suit your thinking, don't you? The juveniles in those cases are the responsibility of their parents, or have you leftists done away with that precept too? In the case of the 2 year old the adults in the home were obviously negligent. In the case of the 13 year old the parents are still responsible and negligent. How did a 13 year old come to be in such a state of mind and in possession of a firearm without any adults knowing anything about it? It didn't just happen in a second. Someone knew this youth was seriously troubled, or should have. Place the responsibility where it belongs and leave the millions of safe responsible gun owners alone.
FormerParatroope r

Eau Claire, WI

#9472 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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So you support prosecution because we must consistently apply the law regardless of the specific circumstances? The point of the law is punishment and not deterrent?
Prosecution is both a deterrent and punishment. What are the specific circumstances, at least from what we see from the report.

I see a firearm left unsecured within the reach of a child. Just that fact alone shows criminal negligence. However, I am a fair man. If I were part of a jury, I would take all the evidence into consideration before my final judgement.

As to your point about consistency, yes, I feel that to preserve proper order, laws must be prosecuted consistently. It is always up to the jury to decide if there is punishment or not.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9473 Oct 22, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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There is merit to your proposal.
Would you give credit for veterans, people who gave taken hunter safety classes or firearms training from certified instructors?
The value of firearm safety as part if the education curriculum has more value than you think. Children from rural areas usually, not always, have positive training from parents thru hunting. Reinforced safety education can be helpful. Children from inner city areas, especially where gangs are prevalent have negative exposure to firearms. Safety education in these places may save some lives, more so than not educating.
In a time where every State offers Concealed Carry Permits, the majority have requirements for training. Which contrary to some, I support, especially the safety and legal considerations.
I believe in the 3 S's, Safety, Safety, Safety.
What type if safety training do you think would be prudent, not only for adults, but for children as well?
This isn't the first time we've agreed on a tactic to address gun violence. It's too bad none of the gun advocates here (seriously, NONE of them) can engage in rational, thoughtful discussion on this subject.

I had hunter safety education as a young teen. But my dad doesn't hunt so I never handled a firearm until I was an adult. Then when my own kid became interested in shooting, I had to go refresh myself on the rules I learned 30 years before so I could teach her. The point being, training that you don't use right away doesn't stick with you.

And only about a third of Americans own guns. Do we spend time and money training 2/3 of kids in something they'll never use?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9474 Oct 22, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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There are reasonable people here as well. The extremes of both sides does make it difficult.
If reasonable people can exchange ideas, find something that both sides can agree to, it will do more than just slinging mud.
You and I have had reasonable exchanges, I for one would like to continue a reasonable conversation. There are few people who are capable of reason, and there are those who do not post. But read the exchanges here. Let's give hope to humanity. What do you say?
In all honesty, you are the ONLY reasonable person on the pro-gun side here. I've begun respectfully with everyone here and only you haven't become frustrated and degenerated into personal attacks and name-calling.

I'm happy to discuss any ideas for reducing gun violence with anyone who wants to suggest ideas.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9475 Oct 22, 2013
FormerParatrooper wrote:
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Prosecution is both a deterrent and punishment. What are the specific circumstances, at least from what we see from the report.
I see a firearm left unsecured within the reach of a child. Just that fact alone shows criminal negligence. However, I am a fair man. If I were part of a jury, I would take all the evidence into consideration before my final judgement.
As to your point about consistency, yes, I feel that to preserve proper order, laws must be prosecuted consistently. It is always up to the jury to decide if there is punishment or not.
I don't think it will get in front of a jury. I think a judge will decide. I hope he has the legal discretion to consider the circumstances before imposing a penalty.

And I agree that laws must be prosecuted consistently. But it's vital for judges to have the legal discretion to assign punishments on a case by case basis. Mandatory sentencing has done much, much more harm than good.

Any parent who isn't deterred by the report of the death of a toddler won't be deterred by putting that toddler's parent in jail. I agree that punishment for crimes serves as a deterrent to others, but not in this case.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9476 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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So my number was correct? When you claimed I made it up, you weren't telling the truth.
And you're just repeating what Marauder said - those death's don't matter. We have a Second Amendment. People are gonna die. That's just how it is. The only other option is a Godless socialist communist police state.
Another lie. I didn't say you made it up. I said it was DISINGENUOUS. Not all gun deaths are bad. Justifiable homicides are a GOOD thing. They mean the good guy was able to edfend themself from the bad guy. When approx. 1 million people attempt suicide per year. I would be willing to bet that those who used a gun REALLY wanted to die. YOu think by simply eliminating the gun, they won't find another way to dispatch with themselves???

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9477 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Everyone remember this from last year?
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Cumberland County chief jailer Maj. John McRainey wounded in accidental shooting
The Cumberland County Sheriff's Office chief jailer was wounded Wednesday morning when his gun accidentally discharged, authorities said.
Maj. John R. McRainey was getting ready to leave for work, between 7 and 7:30 a.m., when the gun fired, according to a release from the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office.
McRainey had the .40-caliber semiautomatic handgun packed in a bag that he uses to transport it, the release said. He had put the bag in his vehicle and was getting inside the vehicle when another item in the bag apparently hit the gun, causing it to fire.
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Sad ending to that story....
Cumberland County Sheriff's Office Maj. John McRainey dies at 61
Mr. McRainey, 61, the chief jailer, died in his sleep early Tuesday, Sheriff Moose Butler said.
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Mr. McRainey had been on leave from his duties at the detention center since being severely injured in an accidental shooting in October 2012. His service revolver was inside a bag along with a small flashlight. When Mr. McRainey tossed the bag into his vehicle, it struck an armrest, causing the weapon to fire.
Mr. McRainey was struck in the abdomen and suffered injuries to his intestines and to one of his kidneys, he said in an interview earlier this year.
He spent 129 days in hospitals, had at least eight surgeries and was forced to do dialysis three times a week after his other kidney failed.
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If only he had received proper gun safety training...
Another PERFECT example of irresponsible gun handling, this time by a trained professional. How do you legislate responsibility, Dan???

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9478 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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So my number was correct? When you claimed I made it up, you weren't telling the truth.
And you're just repeating what Marauder said - those death's don't matter. We have a Second Amendment. People are gonna die. That's just how it is. The only other option is a Godless socialist communist police state.
I also NEVER said "those deaths don't matter". ANOTHER lie.

You just can't help yourself, can you??

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9480 Oct 22, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Another lie. I didn't say you made it up. I said it was DISINGENUOUS.
No, you called it "made-up."
Armed Veteran wrote:
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LOL....You can use whatever made-up numbers you choose.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9481 Oct 22, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Not all gun deaths are bad. Justifiable homicides are a GOOD thing. They mean the good guy was able to edfend themself from the bad guy. When approx. 1 million people attempt suicide per year. I would be willing to bet that those who used a gun REALLY wanted to die. YOu think by simply eliminating the gun, they won't find another way to dispatch with themselves???
I've already agreed with you here - I said that there's nothing to do about 32,000 gun death's a year. I said that we have a Second Amendment, people are gonna die and that's just how it is. What more do you want from me?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9482 Oct 22, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Another PERFECT example of irresponsible gun handling, this time by a trained professional. How do you legislate responsibility, Dan???
Like I said - you can't. There's nothing to do about this sort of thing. We have a Second Amendment. People are gonna die. That's just how it is. The only other option is a Godless socialist communist police state.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#9483 Oct 22, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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I also NEVER said "those deaths don't matter". ANOTHER lie.
You just can't help yourself, can you??
When you actively find excuses to not consider the majority of the 32,000 gun deaths every year, you are dismissing them as if they don't matter.

If you think they do matter, then what should we do to prevent them?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#9484 Oct 22, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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No, you called it "made-up."
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Where did you get your "33,000" number from, Dan??? Or was it just a slight exageration?

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