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Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10952 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Since: Feb 11

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#8361 Oct 3, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>They also knew that the common good can ONLY be achieved by free individuals willingly working together.
Free individuals, and of course the slaves the free individuals owned.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#8362 Oct 3, 2013
Squach wrote:
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
- Thomas Jefferson -
What do you suppose convinced him it was okay to own other human beings while insisting on liberty himself?

Put aside this didn't come from Thomas Jefferson.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8363 Oct 4, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Whenever what I believe is mainstream historical understanding, supported by peer reviewed historical scholarship and you come with revisionist history designed to support your ideological agenda - then no, I will certainly not be convinced by your argument.
Because it is not factual - it is bogus ideological propaganda.
ROTFLMAO...at you...I'm going by the actual historical cases...and YOU bringing in "revisionist history"...which has not been addressed in our courts. Get over yourself.

"Because it is not factual - it is bogus ideological propaganda."

And you're full of crap.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8364 Oct 4, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh grow up. I know you aren't capable of carrying complex ideas in your head, but seriously, this isn't that complicated.
There is no reason to believe that the CURRENT interpretation - which was formed in contradiction to stare decisis by an activist court - isn't the interpretation that's unconstitutional. All it would take is a future court to return to the historical interpretation - and there's no reason to believe that won't happen.
So what's constitutional and unconsitutional is subject to change based on what the SCOTUS decides. You're pulling out some existential philosophical argument, thinking that it proves your position correct. But it doesn't.
And you're too much of a concrete thinker to comprehend why your argument is bullshit. LOL!
"Oh grow up. I know you aren't capable of carrying complex ideas in your head, but seriously, this isn't that complicated."

Well no schitt..it's really very simple so it's really odd that you can't follow it...why is that...?

A law found "unconstitutional" is deemed unconstitutional at its inception, NOT at the time found "unconstitutional". Really very simple.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8365 Oct 4, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
I know this is what you desperately want to believe, but history simply doesn't support your opinion.
History of the courts does.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8366 Oct 4, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
How about this inconvenient fact of history, gunners?
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THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT
University of California at Davis Law Review
James Madison wrote the Second Amendment to assure the southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system by disarming the militia, which were then the principal instruments of slave control throughout the South.
http://www.saf.org/lawreviews/bogus2.htm
ROTFLMAO...are YOU really serjous...?...YOU accuse me of following "revisionist history"...then YOU call this an..."inconvenient fact of history".

Here's a "fact" for you;

"Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason to believe that, in significant part, James Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his constituents in Virginia, and the South
generally, that Congress could not use its newly-acquired powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by disarming the militia, on which the South relied for slave control."

A "strong reason to believe"...DOES NOT EQUATE TO AN "inconvenient fact of history".

Talk about YOU presenting "revisionist history"...that's pretty pathetic.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8367 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, we have not been doing anything about criminals, psychos and extremists.... you are very astute for a retard...go back to your cartoons and masturbate...
"we have not been doing anything about criminals, psychos and extremists...."

You're still here.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8368 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
bwhahahhahahah.. there are so many restrictions, about the only place you could carry one is your mama's basement....
Alaska Statutes Alaska Statutes 11.61.190 through 11.61.220 describe conduct with a weapon that is criminal. There is no prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon so long as the prohibited behaviors regarding the carry are respected:
The person is 21 years or older.
The person is eligible to own or possess a handgun under state and federal laws
The firearm is legal.
Upon contact with a peace officer, the person immediately informs the officer about the weapon, and allows the officer to secure the weapon for the duration of the contact.
The person does not carry the weapon if they are intoxicated or impaired by alcohol or controlled substances
The person does not carry the concealed weapon in certain places:
In someone else's home without their specific knowledge and permission
In any place where intoxicating liquor is sold for on-site consumption, except a restaurant and the person does not consume alcohol beverages
In or around any public or private K-12 school or on a school bus without the knowledge and consent of the school's administrator.(weapons may be unloaded and locked in the trunk of a car or secured in a locked container)
In or around a child care facility.(weapons may be unloaded and locked in the trunk of a car or secured in a locked container)
In a courthouse, court room, or office of the court system or justice related agencies
In domestic violence or sexual assault shelters.
Alaska's laws do not apply to federal property, offices, installations, or places under federal jurisdiction. Such places can include national parks, military bases, federal court buildings, space rented by federal offices, airports, or airport terminal areas. Please consult with the appropriate federal agency before deciding if weapon carry or concealed carry is permitted.
The owners or management of facilities, including such places as hospitals, universities, gymnasiums, or private property, may restrict or deny concealed carry on their premises. Failure to comply while on their property could violate trespass statutes.
don't the restrictions just frost your small nuts.....bwhahhahahahhahaha
ROTFLMAO...so how did it feel reading that..."There is no prohibition against carrying a concealed weapon so long as the prohibited behaviors regarding the carry are respected"...?

Don't you feel better that I shined the light on your ignorance so you could be better educated and not look so stupid when you post your BS..?...lol

"don't the restrictions just frost your small nuts....."

Nope...can go shopping at the mall...eat out at a reasurant with my wife and family...can go to a movie...can go to church...can go to the park...can go pretty much anywhere I need to in a typical day without facing the ignorance and stupidity of some "control freaks"...PS...and I get to laugh at your idiotic BS in public...lol
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#8369 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
you re-tard..they are referring to locking blades aka switchblades... those are illegal in the US as well...have been for decades.....what a stupa$$..
British Doctors Call for Ban on Long Kitchen Knives to End Stabbings
December 27, 2012

Violent crimes haven’t gone away with the UK’s gun control. They’ve actually gone up.
The UK outlawed the switchblade and gravity knife in 1959.
In 1988 possession of a pocket knife with a blade larger than 3 inches in public became illegal.
In 1996, it became illegal to sell a razor blade to anyone under the age of 16.
In 2007, you needed a license to be able to sell “non-domestic knives.”

Despite all that knifepoint robberies rose by 10 percent this year and there are some 60,000 stabbings each year. So the push is on to outlaw long kitchen knives. Once that’s done, surely utopia will be at hand.

Certainly no law-abiding person needs a long blade kitchen knife. No one is talking about outlawing all kitchen knives. Just the ones with long blades. No reason for anyone to go beyond a paring knife anyway.

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/brit...

Thursday, 26 May, 2005
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Chad Love: Scouts Ban Knives in Great Britain

Americans like to hold up the British Isles as an example of what's on the horizon for us, but after seeing this bit of news this morning I don't buy that argument any more, because there's simply no way we could ever go as collectively crazy as this...right?

"Scouting helps to prepare young people with valuable life skills, while keeping them safe by not carrying knives."

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/hunting/2...

"locking blades" are NOT the same as "swirchblades"...you need some more education there Sparky...?...lol
Tray

Pontotoc, MS

#8370 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
airplanes, pressure cookers and cars?....WTF are you smoking or injecting yourself with?...
list all the instances of the above occurring dumb$-hit.
9/11 three airplanes were used to kill thousands, Boston bomber, yesterday a young mother (unarmed except for a car) attacked Washington. To list them all would require more room than this page allows but you get the point. According to you banning guns would stop murder and that is just a lie. People kill period, the tool is just a distraction by those like you who wish to control an "unarmed" population. Too bad you will go to bed tonight still frustrated.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8371 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
doucebag armedvet, do you know what a switch blade is and how it differs from a pocket knife?
Sure do, asshat....and you still have no idea what you are talking about.

A "switchblade" is a knife that uses a spring to open the knife when a release button is either pushed or moved on the handle. A locking blade knife uses some type of restraint to hold the blade open (usually a metal bar), thus preventing the blade from inadvertently closing on the user's fingers. They do NOT open automatically with the push of a button. They are closed by using the thumb to push the bar over so the blade can be folded closed. They are NOT switchblades, and are sold in just about every sporting goods store, Walmart, Kmart, Target, etc. There are even locking blade knives that are what they call "spring assist" knives. They are opened by using the finger to pull down on a tang at the rear base of the blade and the spring helps the blade open. And yes.....they are perfectly legal. They are real popular with hunters because they can be used one-handed.

try again, junior.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8372 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
doucebag armedvet, do you know what a switch blade is and how it differs from a pocket knife?
Hell....even my sons Cub Scout knife has a locking blade.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#8373 Oct 4, 2013
Of course wrote:
<quoted text>
you don't know history and pulled out the commie card as if this was 1953. And posted a phony quote.
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/bad-...
Folks like you will always attempt to deflect. Do you suppose that somehow the communist/socialist ideology is any less alien to American freedom now than it was in the 1950s? Some things never change, like the meaning of the founders in the 2nd amendment and the threat that communism/socialism represents to the free people of the world. If you choose to sell yourself into servitude, be my guest but don't try to take the rest of us FREE Americans with you.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8376 Oct 4, 2013
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>Among many, many other concerns from all of the states about a central government overstepping its authority. I'm pretty sure that the 2nd amendment was ratified by more than just the "southern states". Please try to be honest.
Keep in mind that the constitution and the bill of rights were created specifically to RESTRICT GOVERNMENT, not the people.
Nobody ever claimed that the Constitution was ratified by just the southern states.

Please try to be honest.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8378 Oct 4, 2013
Squach wrote:
Keep in mind that the constitution and the bill of rights were created specifically to RESTRICT GOVERNMENT, not the people.
To deny (or be ignorant of) the politics at play in writing the Constitution is to reveal a fundamental lack of understanding of history. This level of ignorance (or denial) precludes your opinions from being taken seriously.

Come back when you have an actual understanding of the issue and its history.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8380 Oct 4, 2013
Squach wrote:
Or the court rulings that corrupted the meaning of those founders?
This sentence shows the existing political and ideological bias that prevents you from accurately understanding history. This is why you prefer the revisionist, alternate history preached by the pro-gun faction.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8381 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
moron, suggest you read about the restrictions on knives, including locking blade knives,... as well... recommend you take a reading fundamentals course
LMAO!!!
And I suggest you take a trip down to your local sporting goods store and try to tell them that the entire cabinet and/or wall of LOCKING BLADE knives are illegal and they need to remove them. Please post what kind of reaction you get, because I can't wait to read it.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8382 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
retard, is english your second language?... if the restaurant sells liquor, you are in violation, and I can have you arrested....same thing with a market.....(of course, you could hide it in your crotch)......which is the only bulge your were ever have there
parks?.... read it again douche bag..alaska laws do not apply to national parks.... you carry it there, and I can have you locked up as well......bwhahhahahhah..... your ignorance supersedes everything....
you would dancing on your tippy toes everywhere you go.. no schools, no liquor stores, hospitals, airports or other major facilites, no parks... bwhahahhahha..... you would be contained in your trailer park....and taco bell......
thanks to the libs......
Restaurant carry laws very by state, dumbass. In VA, I can carry open or concealed into a restaurant if allowed by the owner. And the way the law is written, if I carry open, I can even drink a beer as long as I am not legally drunk. No alcohol if carrying concealed. Weird, but true. I can also carry into a liquor store and buy liquor if I want. Hell, I can even carry into the State House in Richmond with a concealed carry permit. I can carry onto school property concealed as long as I don't leave the car. And parks NOT off limits either.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#8383 Oct 4, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
ROTFLMAO...at you...I'm going by the actual historical cases...and YOU bringing in "revisionist history"...which has not been addressed in our courts. Get over yourself.
"Because it is not factual - it is bogus ideological propaganda."
And you're full of crap.
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
"Oh grow up. I know you aren't capable of carrying complex ideas in your head, but seriously, this isn't that complicated."
Well no schitt..it's really very simple so it's really odd that you can't follow it...why is that...?
A law found "unconstitutional" is deemed unconstitutional at its inception, NOT at the time found "unconstitutional". Really very simple.
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
History of the courts does.
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
ROTFLMAO...are YOU really serjous...?...YOU accuse me of following "revisionist history"...then YOU call this an..."inconvenient fact of history".
Here's a "fact" for you;
"Professor Bogus argues that there is strong reason to believe that, in significant part, James Madison drafted the Second Amendment to assure his constituents in Virginia, and the South
generally, that Congress could not use its newly-acquired powers to indirectly undermine the slave system by disarming the militia, on which the South relied for slave control."
A "strong reason to believe"...DOES NOT EQUATE TO AN "inconvenient fact of history".
Talk about YOU presenting "revisionist history"...that's pretty pathetic.
Contra principia negantem non est disputandum.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#8386 Oct 4, 2013
satanlives wrote:
<quoted text>
no, it is where you carry and who you are dip$=hit...although boy scouts may not have a restriction, local laws do...some examples:
Here are some examples from Virginia.
The Code of Virginia[linked] states:
§ 18.2-283. Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship.
If any person carry any gun, pistol, bowie knife, dagger or other dangerous weapon, without good and sufficient reason, to a place of worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held at such place he shall be guilty of a Class 4 misdemeanor.
§ 18.2-308. Personal protection; carrying concealed weapons; when lawful to carry. A. If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation...(ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack... he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.[There are provisions for use in hunting, on ranges, collecting and law enforcement]
§ 18.2-308.1. Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school property prohibited. A. If any person possesses any (i) stun weapon as defined in this section; (ii) knife, except a pocket knife having a folding metal blade of less than three inches...
The Augusta County Courthouse prohibits knives of any type.
The Waynesboro High School Parent/Student Handbook[linked] states:
13. Possession or Use of Weapons or Other Dangerous Articles
Students shall not have in their possession any type of unauthorized firearm, laser pointer, or other article which may be used as a weapon, regardless of whether it is commonly accepted as such...
Your council or camp may have rules. For example, Camp Shenandoah in Swope, VA forbids sheath knives.
Your unit may have rules. Our troop policy is:
Personal knives must be folding and have a blade of three inches or less. Fixed blade knives may be used for food preparation; they must have a sheath and may not be carried on the person.
The Cub Scouts must still abide by all local and federal laws, dumbass. I ROUTINELY carry concealed pistol to church (I actually carry a LOCKING BLADE pocket knife in my pocket every day. Hell...my company even gives them out sometimes as "good job" gifts). And personal protection is a "good and sufficient" reason for me to carry in church. Don't like it.....pound sand. I don't give a shit.

And what does any of this post have to do with the fact that you don't know the difference between a locking-blade pocket knife and a switchblade???

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