Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10983 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7561 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to...
Not true: http://www.thenation.com/blog/176280/did-navy... #

From the article: "Then Talking Points Memo talked to the same lawyer for the store and now he denied that Alexis tried to buy the AR-15. Mediaite talked to a salesman at the store, who refused to give his name, who also claimed that Alexis did not try to purchase the assault rifle."

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7562 Sep 24, 2013
Here's my personal opinion of why he did not purchase the AR and instead went for the Remington 870. Your mileage may vary.

1) Cost. The Remington 870 is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 the price of the AR.
2) Effectiveness. A sawed-off shotgun (other media outlets reported that he had sawed off the stock and barrel of the shotgun) is more effective at shorter distances because of the spread of buckshot. A 3" 00 Buck round holds 12 .30cal pellets. An AR only has a single bullet.
3) Concealability. It's easier to conceal a sawed-off shotgun than an AR. Smaller profile.
4)Ease. A shotgun doesn't necessarily have to be aimed at shorter distances. It is simply pointed.(it is also difficult to aim a shotgun correctly with a cutoff stock)
Tray

Belden, MS

#7563 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you miss the obvious point - because so many people are killed by cars, car safety and car ownership are regulated.
Why not do the same things for guns and gun ownership?
Show one law regulating a criminal from using a car. Show one law keeping cars out of the hands of ANYONE wanting to use one for a crime. As with guns, laws only apply to the law abiding. Drunks still drive, crimes are still committed with cars even with the VAST regulations on cars. Drugs are still transported with cars, cars are used to travel to and from crime scenes, cars are still used in drive by shootings as well a vast number of other crimes. Cars are used in many many more crimes than guns.
Good lord

Huntsville, AL

#7564 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>How is a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel
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we are dealing with a complete idiot here. This is what happens when ideological extremism trumps common sense.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7565 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
The law reduced the number of casualties.
Is that a fact or just your opinion. If it is a fact then show it. I'm still waiting on the FACT guns make it easier to kill and more deadly than a car.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7566 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, that lame diversion didn't work the first dozen times you tried it, and it's not working now.
Gun law stopped Alexis from purchasing an AR-15 and therefore limited the carnage. Additional laws, such as a waiting period for other guns, would have saved even more lives.
I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact. I also love the links to facts by PROVEN tainted sources like Brady bunch and NYT. You just can't make a truth so keep repeating the lies in hopes someone will buy it like you did.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7567 Sep 24, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Here's my personal opinion of why he did not purchase the AR and instead went for the Remington 870. Your mileage may vary.
1) Cost. The Remington 870 is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 the price of the AR.
2) Effectiveness. A sawed-off shotgun (other media outlets reported that he had sawed off the stock and barrel of the shotgun) is more effective at shorter distances because of the spread of buckshot. A 3" 00 Buck round holds 12 .30cal pellets. An AR only has a single bullet.
3) Concealability. It's easier to conceal a sawed-off shotgun than an AR. Smaller profile.
4)Ease. A shotgun doesn't necessarily have to be aimed at shorter distances. It is simply pointed.(it is also difficult to aim a shotgun correctly with a cutoff stock)
You're attributing a lot of logical, rational thought to a man you claim is "crazy as a loon."

If Alexis was as crazy as you say, nothing you're listing here factored into his decision-making. Psychotic people simply don't think like that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7568 Sep 24, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true: http://www.thenation.com/blog/176280/did-navy... #
From the article: "Then Talking Points Memo talked to the same lawyer for the store and now he denied that Alexis tried to buy the AR-15. Mediaite talked to a salesman at the store, who refused to give his name, who also claimed that Alexis did not try to purchase the assault rifle."
Oh, so he tried to buy a handgun, not an AR, first, but the restrictions under the law caused him to change his mind.

IOW - gun regulation limited the weaponry he took in with him, thus limiting the casualties. Gun regulations worked.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7569 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Show one law regulating a criminal from using a car. Show one law keeping cars out of the hands of ANYONE wanting to use one for a crime. As with guns, laws only apply to the law abiding. Drunks still drive, crimes are still committed with cars even with the VAST regulations on cars. Drugs are still transported with cars, cars are used to travel to and from crime scenes, cars are still used in drive by shootings as well a vast number of other crimes. Cars are used in many many more crimes than guns.
Are you unaware of crash-safety standards for cars, mandatory speed limits, mandatory seat belt laws, air bags, driver licensing, testing before people can get licenses, and so on? All those are measures enacted into law to reduce auto fatalities.

Guns are INTENDED to kill. Why shouldn't they be regulated at least as much as cars?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7570 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Is that a fact or just your opinion. If it is a fact then show it. I'm still waiting on the FACT guns make it easier to kill and more deadly than a car.
Cars kill people. Guns kill people.

But cars are well-regulated and guns are not.

THAT'S my point.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7571 Sep 24, 2013
Good lord wrote:
<quoted text>
we are dealing with a complete idiot here. This is what happens when ideological extremism trumps common sense.
Hi stranger. Nice unprovoked personal attack. Tells me a lot about your character.
For

Huntsville, AL

#7572 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact.
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the simple-minded, the complexity of reality must be difficult to comprehend.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7573 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact. I also love the links to facts by PROVEN tainted sources like Brady bunch and NYT. You just can't make a truth so keep repeating the lies in hopes someone will buy it like you did.
I believe YOU'RE the one posting "could have" "or maybe" arguments.

LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7574 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact.
You mean like this?
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Of course he could have just bought a pressure cooker instead and saved himself the trouble. Or maybe just a large 1970 Cadillac and ran over people.
LMAO!
What

Huntsville, AL

#7575 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Is that a fact or just your opinion. If it is a fact then show it. I'm still waiting on the FACT guns make it easier to kill and more deadly than a car.
kind of turning radius and opportunities to make another pass at trying to kill your intended victim do you have with a car compared with just squeezing off a few more rounds with a machine designed specifically for efficient killing?

Don't pretend to be a fool.
Hey

Huntsville, AL

#7576 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi stranger. Nice unprovoked personal attack. Tells me a lot about your character.
the guy wrote:

"How is a [using] a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel"

He knows the answer. To say something that foolish is idiotic and based on solely on ideological extremism.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7577 Sep 24, 2013
Squach wrote:
So Danny Boy is still ignoring those questions that, answered truthfully, would blow his gun control agenda out of the water, eh? Isn't it ludicrous how these leftists just deny logic and plow ahead with their efforts to turn this country into the Peoples Socialist Republic of America?
Hey Danny Boy! You can ignore freedom and the Constitution.......but they aren't going to just go away.
LOL! You know what - I'm in a good mood today. Since you're so DESPERATE for my attention, I'll humor you and give some of it to you today.

In the past when I've done that, you've inevitably and without exception, degenerated into a name-calling gadfly But what the hell - I'm up for giving you another chance.

I stopped reading your posts long ago. What questions do you believe I can't answer truthfully or it would blow my agenda out of the water?
Tray

Belden, MS

#7578 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you unaware of crash-safety standards for cars, mandatory speed limits, mandatory seat belt laws, air bags, driver licensing, testing before people can get licenses, and so on? All those are measures enacted into law to reduce auto fatalities.
Guns are INTENDED to kill. Why shouldn't they be regulated at least as much as cars?
Standards for the CAR not limits on drivers. I'm all for making better guns. As far as seat belt laws or speed limits NONE are pretext to the violation. You must break the law BEFORE these laws effect you. You want PRE violation laws where those NOT causing harm are treated the same as those who do. I don't need a license or background check to buy or operate a car, I just don't need to get caught on government roads with it, anywhere else there is no limit. Just as cars are better built they also are faster than ever THUS INCREASING fatalities.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7579 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Standards for the CAR not limits on drivers. I'm all for making better guns. As far as seat belt laws or speed limits NONE are pretext to the violation. You must break the law BEFORE these laws effect you. You want PRE violation laws where those NOT causing harm are treated the same as those who do. I don't need a license or background check to buy or operate a car, I just don't need to get caught on government roads with it, anywhere else there is no limit. Just as cars are better built they also are faster than ever THUS INCREASING fatalities.
I'm perfectly content with having the same laws for guns as for cars.

I'm fine with anyone owning whatever guns they want as long as they don't leave their property with them - just like with cars.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7580 Sep 24, 2013
Hey wrote:
<quoted text>
the guy wrote:
"How is a [using] a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel"
He knows the answer. To say something that foolish is idiotic and based on solely on ideological extremism.
I read it as you talking to him about me being an ideological extremist. My mistake.

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