Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 11003 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Tray

Ripley, MS

#7555 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to
Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis tried to buy an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week after test firing one, but the store wouldn't sell it to him right away, CBS News has learned.
The reason for the refusal isn't clear.
Alexis then purchased a shotgun he used in his rampage, sources tell CBS News.
The owners of two gun stores in Virginia told CBS News Alexis would have been able to buy an AR-15, he just wouldn't have gotten it right away.
Anyone can buy the assault-style weapon in Virginia, but the dealer would have to observe the laws of the buyer's home state.
It appears unlikely Alexis was a Virginia resident. His last reported full-time residency was in Texas.
If the buyer is an out-of-state resident, the dealer would then ship the weapon to the buyer's home state where a background check would be conducted. At the time of purchase in Virginia, however, the buyer would have to show two proofs of residence with matching addresses and then a proof of citizenship. This is all according to federal law when it comes to sales of the AR-15, which are administered by the ATF.
It is also unclear whether the owner of Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Virginia, where Alexis tried to buy the AR-15 about 15 miles from the Navy Yard, told Alexis he was not allowed to buy an assault rifle, or whether Alexis was simply impatient and decided to buy a shotgun instead.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-576034...
Of course he could have just bought a pressure cooker instead and saved himself the trouble. Or maybe just a large 1970 Cadillac and ran over people.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7556 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>How is a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel that does not require a background check? Are these people killed by car LESS dead than those shot by gun?
According to the federal government, the number of people killed in automobile-related deaths annually is approximately three times higher than the number of people killed by all gun-related deaths combined -- handgun, shotgun, and rifle. This includes suicide, police shootings, self defense, and all justified deaths by gun.
Of course you miss the obvious point - because so many people are killed by cars, car safety and car ownership are regulated.

Why not do the same things for guns and gun ownership?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7557 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Yet the law still did not stop him from killing. So much for the claim the law works.
The law reduced the number of casualties.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7558 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>The old "might, could be, maybe" argument.
Yeah, that lame diversion didn't work the first dozen times you tried it, and it's not working now.

Gun law stopped Alexis from purchasing an AR-15 and therefore limited the carnage. Additional laws, such as a waiting period for other guns, would have saved even more lives.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7559 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Of course he could have just bought a pressure cooker instead and saved himself the trouble. Or maybe just a large 1970 Cadillac and ran over people.
The old "could have" "or maybe" argument.

LOL!

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#7560 Sep 24, 2013
So Danny Boy is still ignoring those questions that, answered truthfully, would blow his gun control agenda out of the water, eh? Isn't it ludicrous how these leftists just deny logic and plow ahead with their efforts to turn this country into the Peoples Socialist Republic of America?

Hey Danny Boy! You can ignore freedom and the Constitution.......but they aren't going to just go away.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7561 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to...
Not true: http://www.thenation.com/blog/176280/did-navy... #

From the article: "Then Talking Points Memo talked to the same lawyer for the store and now he denied that Alexis tried to buy the AR-15. Mediaite talked to a salesman at the store, who refused to give his name, who also claimed that Alexis did not try to purchase the assault rifle."

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#7562 Sep 24, 2013
Here's my personal opinion of why he did not purchase the AR and instead went for the Remington 870. Your mileage may vary.

1) Cost. The Remington 870 is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 the price of the AR.
2) Effectiveness. A sawed-off shotgun (other media outlets reported that he had sawed off the stock and barrel of the shotgun) is more effective at shorter distances because of the spread of buckshot. A 3" 00 Buck round holds 12 .30cal pellets. An AR only has a single bullet.
3) Concealability. It's easier to conceal a sawed-off shotgun than an AR. Smaller profile.
4)Ease. A shotgun doesn't necessarily have to be aimed at shorter distances. It is simply pointed.(it is also difficult to aim a shotgun correctly with a cutoff stock)
Tray

Ripley, MS

#7563 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you miss the obvious point - because so many people are killed by cars, car safety and car ownership are regulated.
Why not do the same things for guns and gun ownership?
Show one law regulating a criminal from using a car. Show one law keeping cars out of the hands of ANYONE wanting to use one for a crime. As with guns, laws only apply to the law abiding. Drunks still drive, crimes are still committed with cars even with the VAST regulations on cars. Drugs are still transported with cars, cars are used to travel to and from crime scenes, cars are still used in drive by shootings as well a vast number of other crimes. Cars are used in many many more crimes than guns.
Good lord

Santa Fe, NM

#7564 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>How is a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel
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we are dealing with a complete idiot here. This is what happens when ideological extremism trumps common sense.
Tray

Ripley, MS

#7565 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
The law reduced the number of casualties.
Is that a fact or just your opinion. If it is a fact then show it. I'm still waiting on the FACT guns make it easier to kill and more deadly than a car.
Tray

Ripley, MS

#7566 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, that lame diversion didn't work the first dozen times you tried it, and it's not working now.
Gun law stopped Alexis from purchasing an AR-15 and therefore limited the carnage. Additional laws, such as a waiting period for other guns, would have saved even more lives.
I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact. I also love the links to facts by PROVEN tainted sources like Brady bunch and NYT. You just can't make a truth so keep repeating the lies in hopes someone will buy it like you did.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7567 Sep 24, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Here's my personal opinion of why he did not purchase the AR and instead went for the Remington 870. Your mileage may vary.
1) Cost. The Remington 870 is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 the price of the AR.
2) Effectiveness. A sawed-off shotgun (other media outlets reported that he had sawed off the stock and barrel of the shotgun) is more effective at shorter distances because of the spread of buckshot. A 3" 00 Buck round holds 12 .30cal pellets. An AR only has a single bullet.
3) Concealability. It's easier to conceal a sawed-off shotgun than an AR. Smaller profile.
4)Ease. A shotgun doesn't necessarily have to be aimed at shorter distances. It is simply pointed.(it is also difficult to aim a shotgun correctly with a cutoff stock)
You're attributing a lot of logical, rational thought to a man you claim is "crazy as a loon."

If Alexis was as crazy as you say, nothing you're listing here factored into his decision-making. Psychotic people simply don't think like that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7568 Sep 24, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true: http://www.thenation.com/blog/176280/did-navy... #
From the article: "Then Talking Points Memo talked to the same lawyer for the store and now he denied that Alexis tried to buy the AR-15. Mediaite talked to a salesman at the store, who refused to give his name, who also claimed that Alexis did not try to purchase the assault rifle."
Oh, so he tried to buy a handgun, not an AR, first, but the restrictions under the law caused him to change his mind.

IOW - gun regulation limited the weaponry he took in with him, thus limiting the casualties. Gun regulations worked.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7569 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Show one law regulating a criminal from using a car. Show one law keeping cars out of the hands of ANYONE wanting to use one for a crime. As with guns, laws only apply to the law abiding. Drunks still drive, crimes are still committed with cars even with the VAST regulations on cars. Drugs are still transported with cars, cars are used to travel to and from crime scenes, cars are still used in drive by shootings as well a vast number of other crimes. Cars are used in many many more crimes than guns.
Are you unaware of crash-safety standards for cars, mandatory speed limits, mandatory seat belt laws, air bags, driver licensing, testing before people can get licenses, and so on? All those are measures enacted into law to reduce auto fatalities.

Guns are INTENDED to kill. Why shouldn't they be regulated at least as much as cars?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7570 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Is that a fact or just your opinion. If it is a fact then show it. I'm still waiting on the FACT guns make it easier to kill and more deadly than a car.
Cars kill people. Guns kill people.

But cars are well-regulated and guns are not.

THAT'S my point.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7571 Sep 24, 2013
Good lord wrote:
<quoted text>
we are dealing with a complete idiot here. This is what happens when ideological extremism trumps common sense.
Hi stranger. Nice unprovoked personal attack. Tells me a lot about your character.
For

Santa Fe, NM

#7572 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact.
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the simple-minded, the complexity of reality must be difficult to comprehend.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7573 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact. I also love the links to facts by PROVEN tainted sources like Brady bunch and NYT. You just can't make a truth so keep repeating the lies in hopes someone will buy it like you did.
I believe YOU'RE the one posting "could have" "or maybe" arguments.

LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7574 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>I always love to see you try to sell "might, could be, and maybe" as fact.
You mean like this?
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Of course he could have just bought a pressure cooker instead and saved himself the trouble. Or maybe just a large 1970 Cadillac and ran over people.
LMAO!

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