Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10983 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Tray

Belden, MS

#7541 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
What happens when everybody's armed?
People get pissed off and start shooting instead of just flipping the bird.
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Road rage-related shootout leaves two dead in Ionia, police say
Initial investigation shows the Ionia men, ages 43 and 56, pulled into the car wash parking lot after a road rage incident. They exited their vehicles and eventually drew handguns and exchanged fire, police said. It wasn't clear what the two men were arguing about.
Life EMS transported the men to Sparrow Ionia Hospital, where they were pronounced dead.
Police said both men, whose identities have not been released, held permits to carry concealed weapons.
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Two law abiding citizens...
...right up until they weren't.
When everybody's carrying, it isn't the mentally ill and criminals who will shoot people. It's anybody who just happens to get pissed off enough - as two men in MI proved last week.
Man armed with hammer dies after road rage chase in north St. Louis, police say.
A man who attacked a truck driver with a hammer in a bizarre road rage incident Thursday has died after being run over by the truck, police say.

Road rage turns fatal when man gets run over in Va.
WASHINGTON - A road rage incident turned fatal in Manassas on Friday when one man tried to climb into another man's car, fell, and was run over, police say.

Police: Pedestrian run over, killed in road rage fight in Daytona Beach.
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla.-

Daytona Beach police on Monday continue to search for the driver of a car that ran over a pedestrian after a fight, killing him.

Police spent Sunday seeking witnesses and talking to nearby business owners, looking for any surveillance video that could help them find the driver who intentionally hit the 27-year-old man and drove off.

Fremont Road rage suspect arraigned

A Union City man was in court Friday to face felony charges for running into a mother and her child.

Long Beach Man Fatally Run Over in Road Rage Clash

2009_05_lbroadrage.jpg A 34-year-old man was killed after a road rage confrontation in Long Beach that saw the 22-year-old driver of the other vehicle strike the victim with his Nissan Altima and continue driving right over him before fleeing the scene. Evan Potts was arrested and charged with second-degree manslaughter after onlookers say he panicked when the driver of a '78 canary yellow Porsche got out of his car and began yelling at Potts after the two had been in an ongoing confrontation behind their respective wheels for over a mile.

Caught on Tape: Man Run Over in Wild Road Rage Incident
This might be the wildest road rage incident we've ever seen. A motorist takes a beating in the incident, then his attacker returns for seconds by jumping on the hood. That's when the motorist takes off, throwing the attacker to the ground and running him over.

People armed with 5000lb cars kill. Ban cars now. Do it for the children.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#7542 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
What happens when everybody's armed?
People get pissed off and start shooting instead of just flipping the bird.
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Road rage-related shootout leaves two dead in Ionia, police say
Initial investigation shows the Ionia men, ages 43 and 56, pulled into the car wash parking lot after a road rage incident. They exited their vehicles and eventually drew handguns and exchanged fire, police said. It wasn't clear what the two men were arguing about.
Life EMS transported the men to Sparrow Ionia Hospital, where they were pronounced dead.
Police said both men, whose identities have not been released, held permits to carry concealed weapons.
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Two law abiding citizens...
...right up until they weren't.
When everybody's carrying, it isn't the mentally ill and criminals who will shoot people. It's anybody who just happens to get pissed off enough - as two men in MI proved last week.
And what does the behavior of those individuals have to do with the MILLIONS of law abiding gun owners who have never behaved like that? Hold those individuals responsible for their own actions and stop trying to vilify every one who owns a gun.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7543 Sep 24, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
PS: Sugarplum... if I **WANTED** to buy a Toyota Camry, the first thing I would do is go down to the dealership and sit in the car and play with the mirrors and let the salesman come over and talk to me. If I had an interest in the car, I'd have the sales person take me out on a test drive.
If I had a serious interest, it would be a long test drive and we'd talk numbers.
And if I had a real strong interest, I'd ask if they had this model available to rent.
Same thing: AR-15.
I guarantee you: after renting the AR-15, he wanted to buy it.
And he tried to buy it.
And the salesman said... sorry... he could take it with him.
What do you suppose happened when the salesman told him he had to wait?
Even someone who dropped out of school should be able to figure this out.
He should have waited a week and gone to the Virginia gun show. He would have had sellers fighting over him to make the sale.
The Boston bombers after test cooking with several brands of pressure cookers made their choice on the one to use in a mass killing. After failing to be able to purchase a sauce pan they were forced to use a pressure cooker which required no background check.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#7544 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
More on the Double Concealed Carry Killings
One of the two men involved in the shoot-out, Robert Taylor, lost his concealed carry license in 2006 after a drunken driving conviction. He was able to get his license back in 2010 after his three year suspension was over.
But he was originally charged not only with drunken driving and carried a concealed weapons while intoxicated. That would have earned him a lifetime suspension of his concealed carry license. But prosecutors decided to drop the firearms charge because the gun was, in their estimation, unrelated to Taylor's intoxication.
...
The idea that more guns lead to less gun violence only makes sense if you believe in a world of rational actors who walk out of a econometrics theorem. People get angry. They get in fights and do stupid things. Add guns to the mix and more people get killed.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/more-on-t...
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That last part bears repeating...
The idea that more guns lead to less gun violence only makes sense if you believe in a world of rational actors who walk out of a econometrics theorem.
People get angry. They get in fights and do stupid things.
Add guns to the mix and more people get killed.
So two individuals I've never even met who failed to exercise self control in an incident that occurred hundreds of miles away from me, didn't involve any of my firearms, and had absolutely nothing to do with me means my guns should be regulated, registered, confiscated? The very idea is un-American. Thank you Comrade Stalin.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7545 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
State Law Prevented Sale of Assault Rifle to Suspect Last Week, Officials Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/18/us/state-la... ;
The same source the first reported he DID use an AR15.

Politicians, media outlets red-faced over wrong claims about gun in Navy Yard shootings

Media, politicians and activists had to backpedal Tuesday after an FBI spokesperson said there is no evidence that Aaron Alexis, the gunman who murdered 12 people in the Navy Yard shooting Monday, used an AR-15 in the massacre.

“We do not have any information at this time that [Alexis] had an AR-15 in his possession,” said FBI assistant director Victoria Parlave at a press conference on Tuesday

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7546 Sep 24, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:
Correction: September 20, 2013
An article on Wednesday about the gunman in the Navy Yard shooting, using information from senior law enforcement officials, misstated a provision in Virginia state gun law. Out-of-state buyers must provide additional forms of identification to purchase a high-capacity AR-15 rifle; the laws do not prohibit the sales of all AR-15 rifles to all out-of-state residents.
From your source and link.
So where is that proof of an attempt to buy an AR-15...?
The update says the article misstated the law. The fact that he tried to buy one but did not because of VA gun law still stands.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7547 Sep 24, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope...just the facts...the same ones I showed you the last time.
You misstate my position. What you claim about me is NOT factual.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7548 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>
Man armed with hammer dies after road rage chase in north St. Louis, police say.
A man who attacked a truck driver with a hammer in a bizarre road rage incident Thursday has died after being run over by the truck, police say.
Road rage turns fatal when man gets run over in Va.
WASHINGTON - A road rage incident turned fatal in Manassas on Friday when one man tried to climb into another man's car, fell, and was run over, police say.
Police: Pedestrian run over, killed in road rage fight in Daytona Beach.
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla.-
Daytona Beach police on Monday continue to search for the driver of a car that ran over a pedestrian after a fight, killing him.
Police spent Sunday seeking witnesses and talking to nearby business owners, looking for any surveillance video that could help them find the driver who intentionally hit the 27-year-old man and drove off.
Fremont Road rage suspect arraigned
A Union City man was in court Friday to face felony charges for running into a mother and her child.
Long Beach Man Fatally Run Over in Road Rage Clash
2009_05_lbroadrage.jpg A 34-year-old man was killed after a road rage confrontation in Long Beach that saw the 22-year-old driver of the other vehicle strike the victim with his Nissan Altima and continue driving right over him before fleeing the scene. Evan Potts was arrested and charged with second-degree manslaughter after onlookers say he panicked when the driver of a '78 canary yellow Porsche got out of his car and began yelling at Potts after the two had been in an ongoing confrontation behind their respective wheels for over a mile.
Caught on Tape: Man Run Over in Wild Road Rage Incident
This might be the wildest road rage incident we've ever seen. A motorist takes a beating in the incident, then his attacker returns for seconds by jumping on the hood. That's when the motorist takes off, throwing the attacker to the ground and running him over.
People armed with 5000lb cars kill. Ban cars now. Do it for the children.
Yep, people get angry and kill each other with means other than guns. Guns just make it much easier and much deadlier.

Which was my point.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7549 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> The same source the first reported he DID use an AR15.
Politicians, media outlets red-faced over wrong claims about gun in Navy Yard shootings
Media, politicians and activists had to backpedal Tuesday after an FBI spokesperson said there is no evidence that Aaron Alexis, the gunman who murdered 12 people in the Navy Yard shooting Monday, used an AR-15 in the massacre.
“We do not have any information at this time that [Alexis] had an AR-15 in his possession,” said FBI assistant director Victoria Parlave at a press conference on Tuesday
I didn't say he used an AR-15. I said he tried to buy one but VA's gun laws prevented him from doing that.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7550 Sep 24, 2013
Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to

Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis tried to buy an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week after test firing one, but the store wouldn't sell it to him right away, CBS News has learned.

The reason for the refusal isn't clear.

Alexis then purchased a shotgun he used in his rampage, sources tell CBS News.

The owners of two gun stores in Virginia told CBS News Alexis would have been able to buy an AR-15, he just wouldn't have gotten it right away.

Anyone can buy the assault-style weapon in Virginia, but the dealer would have to observe the laws of the buyer's home state.

It appears unlikely Alexis was a Virginia resident. His last reported full-time residency was in Texas.

If the buyer is an out-of-state resident, the dealer would then ship the weapon to the buyer's home state where a background check would be conducted. At the time of purchase in Virginia, however, the buyer would have to show two proofs of residence with matching addresses and then a proof of citizenship. This is all according to federal law when it comes to sales of the AR-15, which are administered by the ATF.

It is also unclear whether the owner of Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Virginia, where Alexis tried to buy the AR-15 about 15 miles from the Navy Yard, told Alexis he was not allowed to buy an assault rifle, or whether Alexis was simply impatient and decided to buy a shotgun instead.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-576034...
Tray

Belden, MS

#7551 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, people get angry and kill each other with means other than guns. Guns just make it much easier and much deadlier.
Which was my point.
How is a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel that does not require a background check? Are these people killed by car LESS dead than those shot by gun?
According to the federal government, the number of people killed in automobile-related deaths annually is approximately three times higher than the number of people killed by all gun-related deaths combined -- handgun, shotgun, and rifle. This includes suicide, police shootings, self defense, and all justified deaths by gun.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7552 Sep 24, 2013
Moreover, according to the CDC, more people died from falls in 2009 alone than died in gun-related deaths for the years 2009, 2010, and most of 2011 combined. (Total number of deaths via falls in 2009 was 24,792.)
Tray

Belden, MS

#7553 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say he used an AR-15. I said he tried to buy one but VA's gun laws prevented him from doing that.
Yet the law still did not stop him from killing. So much for the claim the law works.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7554 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to
Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis tried to buy an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week after test firing one, but the store wouldn't sell it to him right away, CBS News has learned.
The reason for the refusal isn't clear.
Alexis then purchased a shotgun he used in his rampage, sources tell CBS News.
The owners of two gun stores in Virginia told CBS News Alexis would have been able to buy an AR-15, he just wouldn't have gotten it right away.
Anyone can buy the assault-style weapon in Virginia, but the dealer would have to observe the laws of the buyer's home state.
It appears unlikely Alexis was a Virginia resident. His last reported full-time residency was in Texas.
If the buyer is an out-of-state resident, the dealer would then ship the weapon to the buyer's home state where a background check would be conducted. At the time of purchase in Virginia, however, the buyer would have to show two proofs of residence with matching addresses and then a proof of citizenship. This is all according to federal law when it comes to sales of the AR-15, which are administered by the ATF.
It is also unclear whether the owner of Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Virginia, where Alexis tried to buy the AR-15 about 15 miles from the Navy Yard, told Alexis he was not allowed to buy an assault rifle, or whether Alexis was simply impatient and decided to buy a shotgun instead.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-576034...
The old "might, could be, maybe" argument.
Tray

Belden, MS

#7555 Sep 24, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Aaron Alexis tried to buy assault rifle but was unable to
Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis tried to buy an AR-15 assault rifle at a Virginia gun store last week after test firing one, but the store wouldn't sell it to him right away, CBS News has learned.
The reason for the refusal isn't clear.
Alexis then purchased a shotgun he used in his rampage, sources tell CBS News.
The owners of two gun stores in Virginia told CBS News Alexis would have been able to buy an AR-15, he just wouldn't have gotten it right away.
Anyone can buy the assault-style weapon in Virginia, but the dealer would have to observe the laws of the buyer's home state.
It appears unlikely Alexis was a Virginia resident. His last reported full-time residency was in Texas.
If the buyer is an out-of-state resident, the dealer would then ship the weapon to the buyer's home state where a background check would be conducted. At the time of purchase in Virginia, however, the buyer would have to show two proofs of residence with matching addresses and then a proof of citizenship. This is all according to federal law when it comes to sales of the AR-15, which are administered by the ATF.
It is also unclear whether the owner of Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Virginia, where Alexis tried to buy the AR-15 about 15 miles from the Navy Yard, told Alexis he was not allowed to buy an assault rifle, or whether Alexis was simply impatient and decided to buy a shotgun instead.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-576034...
Of course he could have just bought a pressure cooker instead and saved himself the trouble. Or maybe just a large 1970 Cadillac and ran over people.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7556 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>How is a gun "easier" than using a 5000lb chunk of steel that does not require a background check? Are these people killed by car LESS dead than those shot by gun?
According to the federal government, the number of people killed in automobile-related deaths annually is approximately three times higher than the number of people killed by all gun-related deaths combined -- handgun, shotgun, and rifle. This includes suicide, police shootings, self defense, and all justified deaths by gun.
Of course you miss the obvious point - because so many people are killed by cars, car safety and car ownership are regulated.

Why not do the same things for guns and gun ownership?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7557 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Yet the law still did not stop him from killing. So much for the claim the law works.
The law reduced the number of casualties.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7558 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>The old "might, could be, maybe" argument.
Yeah, that lame diversion didn't work the first dozen times you tried it, and it's not working now.

Gun law stopped Alexis from purchasing an AR-15 and therefore limited the carnage. Additional laws, such as a waiting period for other guns, would have saved even more lives.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#7559 Sep 24, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Of course he could have just bought a pressure cooker instead and saved himself the trouble. Or maybe just a large 1970 Cadillac and ran over people.
The old "could have" "or maybe" argument.

LOL!

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#7560 Sep 24, 2013
So Danny Boy is still ignoring those questions that, answered truthfully, would blow his gun control agenda out of the water, eh? Isn't it ludicrous how these leftists just deny logic and plow ahead with their efforts to turn this country into the Peoples Socialist Republic of America?

Hey Danny Boy! You can ignore freedom and the Constitution.......but they aren't going to just go away.

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