Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

Mar 29, 2013 Full story: Chambersburg Public Opinion 11,004

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Tray

Saltillo, MS

#7433 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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From the federal law in dealing with firearms;
18 USC § 921 - DEFINITIONS
(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—
(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
(22) The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection:
If your actions in selling your personal firearm do not amount to “engaged in the business” or “with the principle objective of livelihood and profit”, then you are NOT in the business of selling firearms.
That applies to persons in private life but again when you change the venue to a location where business is under a permit in a place where the public is invited with intent on doing business then you are in a business. Selling a gun in your home or your yard sale or even the classified ad's is private but that business permit used for a gun show changes the term from private sale to public sale or business. Also don't forget that little law of buying with INTENT to resale is by federal law illegal without a FFL. It may be hard for the fed's to prove but it is still the law. Say you are selling a few new guns at a show. A person comes up says hey nice guns where did you get them? You say I caught Bill's gun and pawn going out of business so knowing I was coming here I bought his entire inventory to pass on the good deals. The undercover fed will now place you under arrest.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#7434 Sep 22, 2013
Central Valley gun dealer arrested

LEMOORE
December 12, 2006 1:17pm

• ATF accuses him of trafficking

• Says he did not have a license

A Lemoore resident, described by federal authorities as “an interstate firearms trafficker,” has been arrested and 76 firearms seized, the government says.

David Gene Davenport, 36, was arrested at his home in Lemoore on Dec. 6, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives revealed Tuesday.

Among items seized during a search of the residence were 24 firearms that were offered for sale to undercover agents, the ATF and the U.S. Attorney’s office say.

Mr. Davenport is accused of illegally selling undercover agents 50 firearms and negotiating to sell more. The investigation revealed 17 of the firearms sold had been transported across state lines for sale in California, the ATF says.

Mr. Davenport is charged with engaging in the business of dealing firearms without a license; interstate travel in furtherance of engaging in the business of dealing firearms without a license;
Xringshooter

Saltillo, MS

#7435 Sep 22, 2013
If you are buying guns with the intent of reselling them, profit or not, you are in the BUSINESS of dealing in guns and as such you need to have all the proper licenses. If you have a large personal collection that you want to get rid of, you can sell it off without having a license, it's done all the time.

Now, if you are selling off the collection and then buying more and then selling them, the BATFE may have issues with that as it would appear that you are dealing in firearms. However, they would have to prove that you intended to be in the business of buying and selling without the proper licenses. But to defend yourself would cost you some money.
Xringshooter

Saltillo, MS

#7436 Sep 22, 2013
Cheryl Bishop, spokeswoman for the ATF Seattle field office, explained that gun shows are "designed for private sellers to sell, trade and exchange guns," which is legal.

However, those who are "engaged in the business of selling guns, resupplying your stock and profiting" from the sale of the weapons are required to have a license.

Since: Feb 11

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#7437 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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YOU allow them to walk away
Walking away from the table where you sold them the guns, you freeloading parasite.

I'm not the one committing the crime.

Gun show loophole.

More felons attend than a prison reunion.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#7438 Sep 22, 2013
of course wrote:
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it is nonsense. Throw the book at those that use guns.
throw the book at the people selling them the guns.

there is no shortage of books.

Since: Feb 11

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#7439 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
I can sell my guns in a yard sale...classified ad in the paper...Craig's list...radio trade show...etc...etc...
And you'd sell them to anyone who has cash, you freeloading parasitic limp-wristed Mamma's boy.

Like I mentioned... a few dozen times.

But by going to a gun show you can get the foot traffic you need: hundreds of felons and wife beaters who know you and your ilk remember what the loophole is when you unload your toys.

Do you see me saying that yard sales are okay, spooge sponge?

Since: Feb 11

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#7440 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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You ignorant frickin' idiot...I'm talking about the rule of law..
You f*g lying ignorant parasite: there's a huge hole in the law... a loophole... where gun gnutters enjoy selling their toys to the thousands of felons and wife beaters who can't pass the background check and who know that they can't get past the background check.

Where do they go- since they know they can't get past the background check?

They go to people like you and they find people like you at gun shows.

You want to arrest the 1 percent of people who try to get a firearm who don't know they are are the list and I want to arrest the 99 percent who KNOW they are on the list and they seek out scum like you who'd be all too happy to sell them the guns.

And I want to arrest you and your kind, Mooch.

I want to arrest the 99 percent. Arrest the sellers and confiscate ALL their toys and put them on that same list. Bend their azzes over and push their head into the table, cuff them, and drag them out right then and there.

Maybe it will clear a few of the felons who attended your show.
Marauder

Valdez, AK

#7441 Sep 22, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Walking away from the table where you sold them the guns, you freeloading parasite.
I'm not the one committing the crime.
Gun show loophole.
More felons attend than a prison reunion.
"Walking away from the table where you sold them the guns,..."

After YOU allowed them to walk away from a denied background check and commiting another felony you refused to arrest and prosecute them you ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak".

"I'm not the one committing the crime."

Neither am I.

"Gun show loophole."...Doesn't exist.

"More felons attend than a prison reunion."

Because YOU allow them to.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#7442 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
“Throw the book at those that use guns. Spend the resources.”
"No need to bother doing a background check on that guy- lots of other guys have prison tattoos attending this gun show, they can't all be felons"

Review: I want to arrest the 99 percent. You want to arrest the 1 percent.
Marauder

Valdez, AK

#7443 Sep 22, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And you'd sell them to anyone who has cash, you freeloading parasitic limp-wristed Mamma's boy.
Like I mentioned... a few dozen times.
But by going to a gun show you can get the foot traffic you need: hundreds of felons and wife beaters who know you and your ilk remember what the loophole is when you unload your toys.
Do you see me saying that yard sales are okay, spooge sponge?
"...wife beaters..."

You must have married one...and that's why you are such a bitter and lonely woman. TOPIX is all you have to vent and bytch at.

You have my sympathies...but you're still a pathetic, sick, man hating, ignorant, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak".

Gun show loophole doesn't exist except in your imagination...it's like that giant hole between your ears. Don't blame everyone else because you don't understand how to read and comprehend the definition of a word.

Since: Feb 11

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#7444 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
"...wife beaters..."
You must have married one..
Your wife isn't here.

Restraining order, Mooch?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#7445 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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Gun show loophole doesn't exist
Gun show loophole exists in 43 states, Mooch.

For now.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#7447 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
.TOPIX is all you have to vent and bytch at..
And here you are, buttercup: I guess the health department closing down the gay bar downtown has freed up even more of your time when you aren't already spending on the couch stuffing your face with Fritoes my tax dollars paid for.

Venting and bytching.

Wipe your chin, Shug.
Wow

Buffalo, NY

#7448 Sep 22, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Gun show loophole exists in 43 states, Mooch.
For now.
you must be fluent in stupidity. The lack of a law does not make it a loophole.
Then again, you're used to taking them big in your poophole.

Since: Feb 11

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#7449 Sep 22, 2013
Wow wrote:
you must be fluent in stupidity. The lack of a law does not make it a loophole.
There is a law, spooge sponge. Your boyfriend throw you up against the headboard again?

Two tables.

One requires background check.

The other has a sign above it "Private sales: No identification. No waiting period. No record. No questions asked. Cash on the table, and you're gone with the gun."

Where is the felon going to shop?
Wrong

Buffalo, NY

#7450 Sep 22, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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There is a law, spooge sponge. Your boyfriend throw you up against the headboard again?
Two tables.
One requires background check.
The other has a sign above it "Private sales: No identification. No waiting period. No record. No questions asked. Cash on the table, and you're gone with the gun."
Where is the felon going to shop?
there isn't a law that prohibits sales between private individuals.

PS, I found your picture. Was this you last night or the night before. At least you keep in practice.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/1z2zona.jpg

Since: Feb 11

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#7451 Sep 22, 2013
Wrong wrote:
there isn't a law that prohibits sales between private individuals.
there is.

PS: where there are two tables at a gun show and on the tables are exactly the same guns, and one vendor does background checks and one does: it's called a loophole.

wipey wipey.

Since: Feb 11

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#7452 Sep 22, 2013
Wrong wrote:
PS, I found your picture.
Poor baby: only response is funny picture you find while you are downloading kiddie porn.
Marauder

Fairbanks, AK

#7453 Sep 22, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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there is.
PS: where there are two tables at a gun show and on the tables are exactly the same guns, and one vendor does background checks and one does: it's called a loophole.
wipey wipey.
"there is."

Too bad you can't prove it.

"...and one vendor does background checks and one does: it's called a loophole."

No it's not...it's called the law. Where is that darn loophole again...? Show me where a FFL dealer makes a legal sale without a background check. You say there is a loophole...show me.

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