Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10987 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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#7416 Sep 21, 2013
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>The problem is that you are a wimp.
Your problem is you can't buy dresses and the Big & Fat men's shop, buttercup.

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#7417 Sep 21, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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If you had supported their arrest and prosecution for attempting to purchase a firearm to begin with
If you could read I said quite clearly I support arresting and jail both, giving equal sentence to anyone buying weapons illegally and anyone selling them.

And always have going back to my first campaign to have gun shows doing background checks on all sales.

I say: start at gun shows and target the "hobbyists"- like someone who owns fifty is a hobbyist selling at a gun show-, conviction of course would be a gun crime requiring confiscation of all his/her toys, and of course the person running the gun show could also be charged.

I wouldn't even require a background check.

Take your chances, Mooch.

Since: Feb 11

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#7418 Sep 21, 2013
Marauder wrote:
ng and prosecuting the convicted felons that commit
You are selling the felons the weapons which they commit crimes.

Start with you, Mooch.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#7419 Sep 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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If you could read I said quite clearly I support arresting and jail both, giving equal sentence to anyone buying weapons illegally and anyone selling them.
And always have going back to my first campaign to have gun shows doing background checks on all sales.
I say: start at gun shows and target the "hobbyists"- like someone who owns fifty is a hobbyist selling at a gun show-, conviction of course would be a gun crime requiring confiscation of all his/her toys, and of course the person running the gun show could also be charged.
I wouldn't even require a background check.
Take your chances, Mooch.
"If you could read I said quite clearly I support arresting and jail both, giving equal sentence to anyone buying weapons illegally and anyone selling them."

And you're a proven liar...so what..? All you and others have done is poo, poo the idea or notion of enforcing the existing law. That means arresting and prosecuting those felons that attempt to purchase a firearm and were denied by their backgorund check.

All you want to do is to expand the background check when you don't support enforcing the current one.

"I say:..."....who gives a rat's arse what a pathetic, sick, man hating, ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak" says...?
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#7420 Sep 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are selling the felons the weapons which they commit crimes.
Start with you, Mooch.
Liar...I give my guns to my family.

YOU allow convicted felons that commit another felony to walk to prey on innocent people...you pathetic, sick man hating, ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak".

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#7422 Sep 21, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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Liar...I give my guns to my family.
Selling to felons and wife beaters and fellow mental cases, Mooch.

Meet them at the gun show where you can use the loop hole to sell to anyone you want.

Since: Feb 11

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#7423 Sep 21, 2013
Marauder wrote:
All you want to do is to expand the background check
WAHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! I can't prove anything I say! Barefoot keeps sticking it up my azz! WAHHHH!

BAREFOOT HAS SAID ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS over YEARS posted on Topix he doesn't require background checks as long as you arrest anyone selling guns to felons and wife beaters and mental cases!

Make them background checks OPTIONAL! And arrests MANDATORY! STING OPERATIONS! Have felons work for the police and buy them from YOU dear!

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#7424 Sep 21, 2013
Marauder wrote:
YOU allow convicted felons that commit another felony
You are selling them the firearms, Mooch.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#7425 Sep 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are selling them the firearms, Mooch.
YOU allow them to walk away from commiting another felony instead of arresting and prosecuting them.

You're a pathetic, sick, man hating bytch, ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak".
of course

Huntsville, AL

#7426 Sep 21, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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"nonsense"...? By failing to enforce the law...that's how you frickin' idiot. Where have you been...? Even Uncle Joe says we don't have the manpower or resources to enforce the law...so he, you and all the other "frustrated control freaks", that go poo, poo at arresting and prosecuting the convicted felons that commit another felony, are guilty of supporting felons that commit a crime and go free to steal, rob, rape, murder or whatever crimes they commit.
Go get educated on the subject instead of spamming with BS evertime you get a chance and showing how ignorant you are...like now.
it is nonsense. Throw the book at those that use guns. Spend the resources. It is the antigovernment morons like yourself who don't believe in supporting the rule of law, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane or paying the bill for maintaining a civil society.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#7427 Sep 21, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Selling to felons and wife beaters and fellow mental cases, Mooch.
Meet them at the gun show where you can use the loop hole to sell to anyone you want.
ROTFLMAO...dont' have to go to a gun show to sell my guns if I wanted you frickin' idiot.

I can sell my guns in a yard sale...classified ad in the paper...Craig's list...radio trade show...etc...etc...

You're just a pathetic, sick, man hating bytch, ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak".
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#7428 Sep 21, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Gunshows are like flea markets. The company organizing the gunshow is required to have a business license or permit and is responsible for the liability insurance for the venue. Those renting a table from the organizer do NOT have to have a license to set up to sell their items, whether it is guns, t-shirts, knives, food stuffs, memorabilia, etc. And buy federal law, you are only in the gun "business" if you derive a significant portion of your income from the sale of firearms. Simply selling guns from your own collection is NOT a business. I work at 4-5 gunshows a year here locally. In fact, I am manning a table for VCDL ( www.vcdl.org ) this afternoon.
Who ever applies for the permit is liable for those operating under that permit, that means if you pay a fee to operate a table there then yes you are engaged in business and are under the laws regulating that business. The permit holder is responsible for knowing what business you are engaged in under their permit. If you are selling meth at their venue then yes they can be arrested along with you so they better know if your table is engaged in unlawful activity. Being as you operate a table 4-5 times per year I hope you are not buying guns with the intent on reselling them, that is ILLEGAL. ONLY FFL holders can do that. Just because you have not been arrested for that does not make it legal. Reread the law. If you as a private person buy a gun other than your personal use is illegal. Yes you may sell the gun but during the purchase your INTENT MUST be for personal use.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#7429 Sep 21, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Again, by federal law, you only considered a gun DEALER is you make a significant amount of your income from the sale of firearms. You then required to obtain an FFL license. A private COLLECTOR simply setting up a table to sell his privately owned guns is NOT a business owner and NOT required to perform background checks.
Now keep in mind that this is federal law. Some state and local laws my vary. A handful of states require that ALL gun sales at gunshows be put through a background check. Here in VA, they do not.
By federal law referring to a gun dealer. Anywhere you must get a permit it is considered a business. Operating under another persons permit is still a business regardless of what you are selling. Remember Al Capone was arrested for not paying taxes on selling illegal booze. Even if you buy one gun from Walmart with the intent on reselling it then it is illegal. A gun show is a business venue and ANYTIME you pay a fee to operate there it is a business. The catch is the venue and the fact you paid a fee to be under a business permit which would not apply at your home or other private area.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#7430 Sep 21, 2013
of course wrote:
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it is nonsense. Throw the book at those that use guns. Spend the resources. It is the antigovernment morons like yourself who don't believe in supporting the rule of law, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane or paying the bill for maintaining a civil society.
Where there no criminals before guns? Where there no insane people who harmed others before guns? Was society civil before guns? Sorry but that argument does not hold water.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#7431 Sep 21, 2013
of course wrote:
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it is nonsense. Throw the book at those that use guns. Spend the resources. It is the antigovernment morons like yourself who don't believe in supporting the rule of law, keeping guns out of the hands of criminals and the insane or paying the bill for maintaining a civil society.
You ignorant frickin' idiot...I'm talking about the rule of law...the one that you and barefool and other "frustrated control freaks" are refusing to enforce.

“Throw the book at those that use guns. Spend the resources.”

So why are you, the Vice President of the United States and others refusing to do that…?

Who said anything about "antigovernment" you idiot. I'm talking about those convicted felons that you are so happy about denying a legal gun sale to because they failed the back ground check...THAT'S GREAT!

However, those same felons have just committed a felony and YOU don't want or have the resources to enforce the law...YOU refuse to arrest and prosecute them so you let them walk the streets to prey on innocent people...you're pathetic.

Legislation to help fix the system has been presented before...only to be shot down by the Democrats because it didn't involve further infringements on our rights...banning of guns or magazines...or expanding the back ground check system.

YOU and others really don’t want the system fixed…that was proved by those rejecting the legislation that will help fix it. You don’t want the reduction of gun crime because then you couldn’t push for more restrictive laws against guns and our rights.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#7432 Sep 21, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>By federal law referring to a gun dealer. Anywhere you must get a permit it is considered a business. Operating under another persons permit is still a business regardless of what you are selling. Remember Al Capone was arrested for not paying taxes on selling illegal booze. Even if you buy one gun from Walmart with the intent on reselling it then it is illegal. A gun show is a business venue and ANYTIME you pay a fee to operate there it is a business. The catch is the venue and the fact you paid a fee to be under a business permit which would not apply at your home or other private area.
From the federal law in dealing with firearms;

18 USC § 921 - DEFINITIONS

(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—

(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;

(22) The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection:

If your actions in selling your personal firearm do not amount to “engaged in the business” or “with the principle objective of livelihood and profit”, then you are NOT in the business of selling firearms.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#7433 Sep 22, 2013
Marauder wrote:
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From the federal law in dealing with firearms;
18 USC § 921 - DEFINITIONS
(21) The term “engaged in the business” means—
(C) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section 921 (a)(11)(A), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms;
(22) The term “with the principal objective of livelihood and profit” means that the intent underlying the sale or disposition of firearms is predominantly one of obtaining livelihood and pecuniary gain, as opposed to other intents, such as improving or liquidating a personal firearms collection:
If your actions in selling your personal firearm do not amount to “engaged in the business” or “with the principle objective of livelihood and profit”, then you are NOT in the business of selling firearms.
That applies to persons in private life but again when you change the venue to a location where business is under a permit in a place where the public is invited with intent on doing business then you are in a business. Selling a gun in your home or your yard sale or even the classified ad's is private but that business permit used for a gun show changes the term from private sale to public sale or business. Also don't forget that little law of buying with INTENT to resale is by federal law illegal without a FFL. It may be hard for the fed's to prove but it is still the law. Say you are selling a few new guns at a show. A person comes up says hey nice guns where did you get them? You say I caught Bill's gun and pawn going out of business so knowing I was coming here I bought his entire inventory to pass on the good deals. The undercover fed will now place you under arrest.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#7434 Sep 22, 2013
Central Valley gun dealer arrested

LEMOORE
December 12, 2006 1:17pm

• ATF accuses him of trafficking

• Says he did not have a license

A Lemoore resident, described by federal authorities as “an interstate firearms trafficker,” has been arrested and 76 firearms seized, the government says.

David Gene Davenport, 36, was arrested at his home in Lemoore on Dec. 6, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives revealed Tuesday.

Among items seized during a search of the residence were 24 firearms that were offered for sale to undercover agents, the ATF and the U.S. Attorney’s office say.

Mr. Davenport is accused of illegally selling undercover agents 50 firearms and negotiating to sell more. The investigation revealed 17 of the firearms sold had been transported across state lines for sale in California, the ATF says.

Mr. Davenport is charged with engaging in the business of dealing firearms without a license; interstate travel in furtherance of engaging in the business of dealing firearms without a license;
Xringshooter

Tupelo, MS

#7435 Sep 22, 2013
If you are buying guns with the intent of reselling them, profit or not, you are in the BUSINESS of dealing in guns and as such you need to have all the proper licenses. If you have a large personal collection that you want to get rid of, you can sell it off without having a license, it's done all the time.

Now, if you are selling off the collection and then buying more and then selling them, the BATFE may have issues with that as it would appear that you are dealing in firearms. However, they would have to prove that you intended to be in the business of buying and selling without the proper licenses. But to defend yourself would cost you some money.
Xringshooter

Tupelo, MS

#7436 Sep 22, 2013
Cheryl Bishop, spokeswoman for the ATF Seattle field office, explained that gun shows are "designed for private sellers to sell, trade and exchange guns," which is legal.

However, those who are "engaged in the business of selling guns, resupplying your stock and profiting" from the sale of the weapons are required to have a license.

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