Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10984 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6517 Sep 9, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Only in your warped little mind, Danny Boy. I have zero preconceived notions on anyone. I let peoples' actions and words define them.
You don't fix racial discrimination with MORE racial discrimination. PERIOD.
And as far as you attacking me personally, and backhandedly referring to me as a racist.......Go F**K YOURSELF!!!
Whenever you take the negative behaviors of several people and apply them to an entire race, that's racial stereotyping. And your comment was unquestionably racist stereotyping. Sorry if you don't like that fact pointed out.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6518 Sep 9, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
It's the same bullshit that YOU are pedalling, Dan.
No, it's the opposite of the facts I'm peddling.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6519 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately for the liberals in this country they have relied on labeling those who do not agree with their views as racist for decades. It has only been in recent years that their over use and disingenuous applications of the term, has diminished it's effectiveness for them.
Claiming that confronting racism is nothing more than a tactic to attack people who disagree provides cover for racists. Dismissing legitimate condemnations this way makes you part of the problem.

BTW - if you can find an instance where I've ever called anything racist because it disagreed with my views, post it.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6520 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Looting. Rioting. Whatever. None of it is relevant to the issue we were discussing.
Really? So are you saying that it was the rich in these situations that looted, while the poor stayed home? Or is looting one of the good decisions made by the personally responsible poor?
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6521 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's the opposite of the facts I'm peddling.
The first statement that you made that I can agree with. What you are peddling is most defiantly opposite of the facts.

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6522 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Claiming that confronting racism is nothing more than a tactic to attack people who disagree provides cover for racists. Dismissing legitimate condemnations this way makes you part of the problem.
BTW - if you can find an instance where I've ever called anything racist because it disagreed with my views, post it.
You still cannot come to grips with the reality that your opinions do not constitute facts. Just because you label something racist does not make it so any more than any of your other delusional positions.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6523 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? So are you saying that it was the rich in these situations that looted, while the poor stayed home? Or is looting one of the good decisions made by the personally responsible poor?
Of course I said nothing like that, and you know it. Are you this disingenuous on purpose or does it just come naturally?

If you'd like to have a seriously conversation about poverty, crime, and the individual vs societal factors that impact those two issues, I'd be glad to do that.

But if you want to play dumbass childish games like this, I'll just leave you to it.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6524 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
The first statement that you made that I can agree with. What you are peddling is most defiantly opposite of the facts.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Of course that's not what I said, and you know it.

Are you this disingenuous on purpose or does it just come naturally?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#6525 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it's the opposite of the facts I'm peddling.
Wrong, Danny boy. It is YOU who is claiming that Affirmative Action is still needed due to continued racial discrimination. And that is EXACTLY what my post was saying, albeit in not so PC terms.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6526 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course I said nothing like that, and you know it. Are you this disingenuous on purpose or does it just come naturally?
If you'd like to have a seriously conversation about poverty, crime, and the individual vs societal factors that impact those two issues, I'd be glad to do that.
But if you want to play dumbass childish games like this, I'll just leave you to it.
When you are able to accept that your opinions do not constitute facts, then maybe we can have a serious conversation regarding the poor.

However you appear to prefer childish games and name calling.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6527 Sep 9, 2013
Not the least of the damage done by affirmative action is damage to the English language. In addition to all the euphemisms concocted to evade the simple fact of racial quotas and double standards, there has long been a fog of obscure phrases shrouding the issues involved.

Yet, despite all these murky words, the sunlight of truth still breaks through now and then. A recently published book titled "Increasing Faculty Diversity" represents such a breakthrough, though it too could stand an English translation.

Using massive amounts of data released by Ivy League colleges and others, authors Stephen Cole and Elinor Barber test many of the beliefs behind affirmative action against the facts -- and find that most of those beliefs do not fit the facts.

For example, the "under-representation " of minorities among college professors is not due to employment discrimination or inadequate recruitment efforts, as affirmative action supporters claim, but is due to the plain fact that there are just not enough minority Ph.D.s in existence. If they are not there, then all the recruitment in the world will not conjure them up out of thin air.

Why are they not there? Because there are simply not enough black or Hispanic students with strong enough records in college to get them into postgraduate programs that lead to the Ph.D.

The argument that minority students need minority professors as "role models" also does not fit the facts. Black students and female students do just as well when they are taught by white male professors as they do when they are taught by people who are physically similar to themselves.

Some supporters of affirmative action claim that test scores do not measure the "real" ability of minority students, who will perform better than their SATs indicate, so colleges should admit minority students with lower scores than white or Asian students. These authors point out, however, that "in every study done on the topic, just the opposite was found" -- that is, black students "with the same SAT scores as white students get lower grades in college."

Finally, there is something called "the fit hypothesis." Although the authors refer to "the 'fit' hypothesis put forth by Thomas Sowell and others," I in fact never used that murky phrase. They obviously got my views from reading someone else.

My view of affirmative action in college admissions is that it mismatches black students with colleges whose standards they do not meet, leading to unnecessary failures, when these students are perfectly qualified to go to some other colleges where they are more likely to succeed and graduate.

"Mismatching" is a word that everyone understands. Maybe that is why the defenders of affirmative action had to come up with some obscure phrase like "the 'fit' hypothesis." In any event, this study finds that in fact black students do not do as well in colleges and universities where they do not meet the standards of those particular institutions.

Although this study was sponsored by people who support affirmative action, they have now discovered that they gave their money and their data to people who were honest enough to report the facts, even when those facts refuted key assumptions behind group preferences in college admissions.

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2...

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6528 Sep 9, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, Danny boy. It is YOU who is claiming that Affirmative Action is still needed due to continued racial discrimination. And that is EXACTLY what my post was saying, albeit in not so PC terms.
No, your claim was that African Americans have been brainwashed to elieve that they can't make it on their own and need the government to take care of them.

That is not only untrue, it is racial stereotyping. My calling it for what it is isn't the same thing at all.

You've somehow convinced yourself that it's white people who are the victims of racism in this country and that minorities receive preferential treatment and special favors. Nothing could be further from the truth. You believe a lie, my friend - a pernicious and racist lie.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6529 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
When you are able to accept that your opinions do not constitute facts, then maybe we can have a serious conversation regarding the poor.
However you appear to prefer childish games and name calling.
LOL! That, my friend, is called Freudian projection.

When you are able to accept that your opinions do not constitute facts, then maybe we can have a serious conversation regarding the poor.

However you appear to prefer childish games and name calling.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6530 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
Not the least of the damage done by affirmative action is damage to the English language. In addition to all the euphemisms concocted to evade the simple fact of racial quotas and double standards, there has long been a fog of obscure phrases shrouding the issues involved.
Yet, despite all these murky words, the sunlight of truth still breaks through now and then. A recently published book titled "Increasing Faculty Diversity" represents such a breakthrough, though it too could stand an English translation.
Using massive amounts of data released by Ivy League colleges and others, authors Stephen Cole and Elinor Barber test many of the beliefs behind affirmative action against the facts -- and find that most of those beliefs do not fit the facts.
For example, the "under-representation " of minorities among college professors is not due to employment discrimination or inadequate recruitment efforts, as affirmative action supporters claim, but is due to the plain fact that there are just not enough minority Ph.D.s in existence. If they are not there, then all the recruitment in the world will not conjure them up out of thin air.
Why are they not there? Because there are simply not enough black or Hispanic students with strong enough records in college to get them into postgraduate programs that lead to the Ph.D.
The argument that minority students need minority professors as "role models" also does not fit the facts. Black students and female students do just as well when they are taught by white male professors as they do when they are taught by people who are physically similar to themselves.
Some supporters of affirmative action claim that test scores do not measure the "real" ability of minority students, who will perform better than their SATs indicate, so colleges should admit minority students with lower scores than white or Asian students. These authors point out, however, that "in every study done on the topic, just the opposite was found" -- that is, black students "with the same SAT scores as white students get lower grades in college."
Finally, there is something called "the fit hypothesis." Although the authors refer to "the 'fit' hypothesis put forth by Thomas Sowell and others," I in fact never used that murky phrase. They obviously got my views from reading someone else.
My view of affirmative action in college admissions is that it mismatches black students with colleges whose standards they do not meet, leading to unnecessary failures, when these students are perfectly qualified to go to some other colleges where they are more likely to succeed and graduate.
"Mismatching" is a word that everyone understands. Maybe that is why the defenders of affirmative action had to come up with some obscure phrase like "the 'fit' hypothesis." In any event, this study finds that in fact black students do not do as well in colleges and universities where they do not meet the standards of those particular institutions.
Although this study was sponsored by people who support affirmative action, they have now discovered that they gave their money and their data to people who were honest enough to report the facts, even when those facts refuted key assumptions behind group preferences in college admissions.
http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2...
tl;dr
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6531 Sep 9, 2013
The Poorest American Cities of 2008 (1-30)

1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years

2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years

3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years

4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years

5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years

6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years

7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years

8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years

9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years

10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years

11. Milwaukee, 23.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 49 years

12. Memphis, 23.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 133 years

13. St. Louis, 22.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 60 years

14. Dallas, 22.6% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 2 years

14 New Orleans,22.6% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 141 years

16. Atlanta, 22.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 130 years

17. Stockton, Calif., 21.6% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs

18. Minneapolis, 21.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 35 years

19. Pittsburgh, 21.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 21 years

20. Tucson, 20.9% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs

21. Chicago, 20.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 78 years

22. Columbus,Ohio 20.1% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 9 years

23. Long Beach, Calif., 19.8% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs

24. Houston, 19.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 88 years

25 Los Angeles,19.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for "the last 8 years"

26. Baltimore, 19.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 42 years

27 San Antonio,19.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 38 years

28. Phoenix, 18.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 5 years

29. Boston, 18.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 79 years

30. Denver, 18.4% in poverty----Democrat Mayor for the last 46 years

Geee anyone see a pattern?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6532 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
The Poorest American Cities of 2008 (1-30)

Geee anyone see a pattern?
High population areas vote Democratic. How many dying small towns have Republican mayors?

And which area of the country is the poorest? The south. And how do they vote? Republican.

Correlation is not causation, friend. You should have learned that in high school statistics.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#6533 Sep 9, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
The Poorest American Cities of 2008 (1-30)

Geee anyone see a pattern?
The wealthiest American states and how they vote:

New Hampshire - Blue
Connecticut - Blue
New Jersey - Blue
Maryland - Blue
Alaska - Red
Virginia - Blue
Massachusetts - Blue
Utah - Red
Colorado - Blue
Hawaii - Blue

Gee, anyone see a pattern?
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6534 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! That, my friend, is called Freudian projection.
When you are able to accept that your opinions do not constitute facts, then maybe we can have a serious conversation regarding the poor.
However you appear to prefer childish games and name calling.
YAWN
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6535 Sep 9, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
High population areas vote Democratic. How many dying small towns have Republican mayors?
And which area of the country is the poorest? The south. And how do they vote? Republican.
Correlation is not causation, friend. You should have learned that in high school statistics.
High population areas vote Democratic due to the high counts of minorities and welfare recipients. The bread and butter of the Democratic party.

Spin it however you like Dan. At least the voices in your head will agree with you. I'm sure that you learned this long ago.
Aphelion

Melbourne, FL

#6536 Sep 9, 2013
Oh no ... I used the terms minorities and welfare in the same sentence. I sure hope that Dan will not accuse me of being a racist now. LOL

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