Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10987 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Bobby Teabag

Clearfield, PA

#5627 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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While I don't think you've specifically cited them, you mindlessly parrot their findings as if they are facts. You believe their debunked findings and regurgitate them as if they are true. When I have more time I'll find some of your posts since you don't seem to remember.
Quick Danny Boy, sign out and sign back in as bobby6464. What an ass. LOL
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#5628 Aug 19, 2013
bobby6464 wrote:
Squatch, you saying your Reagan didn't double the federal gas tax? Your a dumb ass.
"Your a dumb ass."
Irony, anyone?
Besara

Des Moines, IA

#5629 Aug 19, 2013
bobby6464 wrote:
Your a conservative, huh? Keep saying that, but your mirror says your a fiscal joke
You really should have stayed in school. At least until you finished 4th grade.
Tray

Nettleton, MS

#5630 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
While I don't think you've specifically cited them, you mindlessly parrot their findings as if they are facts. You believe their debunked findings and regurgitate them as if they are true. When I have more time I'll find some of your posts since you don't seem to remember.
Oh look. The KING of "could be, might, and maybe" is using the word 'fact". You lost ALL credibility when you used the BRADY BUNCH as fact.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5631 Aug 19, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Oh look. The KING of "could be, might, and maybe" is using the word 'fact". You lost ALL credibility when you used the BRADY BUNCH as fact.
Sorry, but your inability to comprehend the language professional scientific researchers use doesn't constitute a failure to present facts on my part.

Keep trying, loser.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#5632 Aug 19, 2013
bobby6464 wrote:
Squatch, you saying your Reagan didn't double the federal gas tax? Your a dumb ass.
A mere drop in the bucket compared to what the social give-away programs cost the working tax payer. And you think I'm a dumbass? ROTFLMAO!!!!
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#5633 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
While I don't think you've specifically cited them, you mindlessly parrot their findings as if they are facts. You believe their debunked findings and regurgitate them as if they are true. When I have more time I'll find some of your posts since you don't seem to remember.
"While I don't think..."

Exactly my point.

"When I have more time I'll find some of your posts since you don't seem to remember."

I can remember just fine...YOU'RE the one with memory problems. Tell you what...YOU take all the time you need. Come back when you find a post of mine that sources or references Kleck or Lott.

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#5634 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but your inability to comprehend the language professional scientific researchers use doesn't constitute a failure to present facts on my part.
Keep trying, loser.
Pardon me for interrupting but wouldn't YOUR inability to comprehend the language professional scientific researchers use explain your propensity for being wrong most of the time? Just sayin'.......
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#5635 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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"He," the person my post referenced. If you can't even keep track of who I'm talking about - in response to your direct question - it's no wonder you're constantly confused and believe objectively false things.
Stating facts is not lying, friend. Stating what is obviously the truth is also not a lie, friend.
Just because you don't believe the truth doesn't make it untrue and doesn't make me a liar for saying it. Until you have even a shred of proof, I suggest you stop making false accusations.
"He," the person my post referenced."

So basically, you have been lying so many times that you have lost track of which lies you are telling to who.

"Stating facts is not lying, friend. Stating what is obviously the truth is also not a lie, friend."

Stating opinons as if they were facts and repeating them over and over does NOT make them FACTS...BTW, I'm still NOT your friend.

"Until you have even a shred of proof, I suggest you stop making false accusations."

YOU can make all the "suggestions" YOU want...YOU are not going to tell me what to do or dictate how, when, or where I can or cannot respond on a thread. When I see an apple I'll call it an apple...when I see an orange, I call it an orange...when I see an ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak"...I'll call them out. YOU have been called out and shown to be a liar.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5636 Aug 19, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
"He," the person my post referenced."
So basically, you have been lying so many times that you have lost track of which lies you are telling to who.
Go look again. Confusion on your part does not constitute lying on my part.

I told Squach [sic] that I was sad he hasn't sought mental health treatment. You asked me how I can make MH diagnosis on an internet forum. I responded by saying I simply observed his behavior. You asked where I did that and accused me of lying. I said I observe his behavior every time he posts.

Now you're somehow accusing me of lying because you lost track of who "he" is.

Grow up, son. You're so obsessed with making that accusation that you can't think straight anymore.
Marauder wrote:
"Stating facts is not lying, friend. Stating what is obviously the truth is also not a lie, friend."
Stating opinons as if they were facts and repeating them over and over does NOT make them FACTS...BTW, I'm still NOT your friend.
LOL! Now you're blaming me for YOUR problem, friend.

The inability to distinguish between opinion and facts on your part doesn't constitute lying on my part.
Marauder wrote:
"Until you have even a shred of proof, I suggest you stop making false accusations."
YOU can make all the "suggestions" YOU want...YOU are not going to tell me what to do or dictate how, when, or where I can or cannot respond on a thread. When I see an apple I'll call it an apple...when I see an orange, I call it an orange...when I see an ignorant, lying, POS, extremist, "frustrated control freak"...I'll call them out. YOU have been called out and shown to be a liar.
LOL! Overreact much?

You continuously call me a liar but haven't presented even a single lie I've told. You've forgotten who we were discussing and called me a liar for remembering. You've confused my opinions with a statement of fact and called them lies. You evidently believe your inability to control your own lying behavior means that nobody can do it.

But in the end - you've not found a SINGLE lie I've told, friend. You're making an accusation without any proof, friend.

IOW - you're LYING.

Friend.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5637 Aug 19, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
"While I don't think..."
Exactly my point.
"When I have more time I'll find some of your posts since you don't seem to remember."
I can remember just fine...YOU'RE the one with memory problems. Tell you what...YOU take all the time you need. Come back when you find a post of mine that sources or references Kleck or Lott.
Okay, I went and looked and can't find where you repeated the discredited findings of Kleck or Lott. My mistake. I apologize. Evidently I confused you with a different gunner.
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#5638 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Okay, I went and looked and can't find where you repeated the discredited findings of Kleck or Lott. My mistake. I apologize. Evidently I confused you with a different gunner.
No ... you just got caught in a lie.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5639 Aug 19, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
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No ... you just got caught in a lie.
LOL! Hardly.

Sorry, but no matter how much you want it to, making a mistake is not a lie. I confused you and Marauder because you sound so much alike.

And like a person of integrity, I apologized for my mistake when a realized it.

Keep trying, but you won't find any lies I've told. Nobody ever has.

Nobody.

Ever.

Because there aren't any.
Aphelion

Palm Bay, FL

#5640 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Hardly.
Sorry, but no matter how much you want it to, making a mistake is not a lie. I confused you and Marauder because you sound so much alike.
And like a person of integrity, I apologized for my mistake when a realized it.
Keep trying, but you won't find any lies I've told. Nobody ever has.
Nobody.
Ever.
Because there aren't any.
I am not Marauder.

Nor have "I" ever linked articles from the individuals you and the original poster were referring. It appears that not only do you lie but you appear to be delusional as well.

Your apology only came after you repeatedly berated the original poster. Integrity? Hardly. Your childish nature leaves no room for integrity, but keep trying.

Since you value your opinions as facts there is no use in pointing out the lies that you post.

But please continue on with your circular logic to defend your positions, it's amusing to watch.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#5641 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Go look again. Confusion on your part does not constitute lying on my part.
I told Squach [sic] that I was sad he hasn't sought mental health treatment. You asked me how I can make MH diagnosis on an internet forum. I responded by saying I simply observed his behavior. You asked where I did that and accused me of lying. I said I observe his behavior every time he posts.
Now you're somehow accusing me of lying because you lost track of who "he" is.
Grow up, son. You're so obsessed with making that accusation that you can't think straight anymore.
<quoted text>
LOL! Now you're blaming me for YOUR problem, friend.
The inability to distinguish between opinion and facts on your part doesn't constitute lying on my part.
<quoted text>
LOL! Overreact much?
You continuously call me a liar but haven't presented even a single lie I've told. You've forgotten who we were discussing and called me a liar for remembering. You've confused my opinions with a statement of fact and called them lies. You evidently believe your inability to control your own lying behavior means that nobody can do it.
But in the end - you've not found a SINGLE lie I've told, friend. You're making an accusation without any proof, friend.
IOW - you're LYING.
Friend.
"I responded by saying I simply observed his behavior. You asked where I did that and accused me of lying. I said I observe his behavior every time he posts."

So I'm still challenging your ability to "observe" anyone's "behavior" in an internet forum. Please explain this uncanny ability. I still say you're lying.

"You continuously call me a liar but haven't presented even a single lie I've told."

When the shoe fits.... A previous post of mine showed two of your lies. This one has another...unless you can somehow prove this ability to "observe someone's behavior" thru a forum. That should prove very interesting.
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#5642 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, I went and looked and can't find where you repeated the discredited findings of Kleck or Lott. My mistake. I apologize. Evidently I confused you with a different gunner.
Way to man up there "Dan the Man"...
Marauder

Anchorage, AK

#5643 Aug 19, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! Hardly.
Sorry, but no matter how much you want it to, making a mistake is not a lie. I confused you and Marauder because you sound so much alike.
And like a person of integrity, I apologized for my mistake when a realized it.
Keep trying, but you won't find any lies I've told. Nobody ever has.
Nobody.
Ever.
Because there aren't any.
"And like a person of integrity, I apologized for my mistake when a realized it."

That's an interesting way to put it and does explain a lot about you. So basically, even when someone does present you with proof of a fact, unless YOU "realize it", it still isn't fact in your eyes. So you can pick and choose proof...facts...and your own reality.

One question...does everyone wear blinders in your world...?

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5644 Aug 19, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
Your apology only came after you repeatedly berated the original poster. Integrity? Hardly. Your childish nature leaves no room for integrity, but keep trying.
Since you value your opinions as facts there is no use in pointing out the lies that you post.
But please continue on with your circular logic to defend your positions, it's amusing to watch.
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not Marauder.
I never said you were Marauder, now did I? In fact I said the opposite - I said I CONFUSED you with Marauder, didn't I?

With that sort of reading comprehension skill, it's no wonder you believe objectively false things.
Aphelion wrote:
Nor have "I" ever linked articles from the individuals you and the original poster were referring. It appears that not only do you lie but you appear to be delusional as well.
You sure?

You might want to rethink that before you call SOMEBODY ELSE delusional.

Or a liar.
Aphelion wrote:
Research conducted by Professors James Wright and Peter Rossi,6 for a landmark study funded by the U.S. Department of Justice, points to the armed citizen as possibly the most effective deterrent to crime in the nation. Wright and Rossi questioned over 1,800 felons serving time in prisons across the nation and found:
81% agreed the "smart criminal" will try to find out if a potential victim is armed.
74% felt that burglars avoided occupied dwellings for fear of being shot.
80% of "handgun predators" had encountered armed citizens.
40% did not commit a specific crime for fear that the victim was armed.
34% of "handgun predators" were scared off or shot at by armed victims.
57% felt that the typical criminal feared being shot by citizens more than he feared being shot by police.
Professor Kleck estimates that annually 1,500-2,800 felons are legally killed in "excusable self-defense" or "justifiable" shootings by civilians, and 8,000-16,000 criminals are wounded. This compares to 300-600 justifiable homicides by police. Yet, in most instances, civilians used a firearm to threaten, apprehend, shoot at a criminal, or to fire a warning shot without injuring anyone.
Based on his extensive independent survey research, Kleck estimates that each year Americans use guns for protection from criminals more than 2.5 million times annually. 7 U.S. Department of Justice victimization surveys show that protective use of a gun lessens the chance that robberies, rapes, and assaults will be successfully completed while also reducing the likelihood of victim injury. Clearly, criminals fear armed citizens.
2 Rushforth, et al., "Accidental Firearm Fatalities in a Metropolitan County, " 100 American Journal of Epidemiology 499 (1975).
3 Rushforth, et al., "Violent Death in a Metropolitan County," 297 New England Journal of Medicine 531, 533 (1977).
4 Kellermann, et al., "Gun Ownership as a Risk Factor for Homicide in the Home," New England Journal of Medicine 467 (1993).
5 Polsby, "The False Promise of Gun Control," The Atlantic Monthly, March 1994.
6 Wright and Rossi, Armed and Considered Dangerous: A Survey of Felons and Their Firearms (N.Y.: Aldine de Gruyter, 1986).
7 Kleck, interview, Orange County Register,Sept. 19, 1993.
Do you honestly not remember posting this...

...or are you LYING?
Aphelion wrote:
Since you value your opinions as facts there is no use in pointing out the lies that you post.
So is this your excuse for not finding even a SINGLE lie I've supposedly told?

Because you haven't.

Just like everyone else who has made that accusation.

Every.

Single.

Person.

LMAO!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5645 Aug 19, 2013
Aphelion wrote:
Nor have "I" ever linked articles from the individuals you and the original poster were referring. It appears that not only do you lie but you appear to be delusional as well.
Wait...

...what's this?
Aphelion wrote:
Among Kleck’s findings:
For every use of a gun to commit a crime, there are three-to-four cases of guns being used in self-defense of a crime.
Assault and robbery rates are lower when victims are armed with a gun.
A gun is used in self-defense to protect its owner from crime 2.5 million times per year, an average of once every 13 seconds.
Fifteen percent of the gun defenders interviewed believed someone would have died if they had not been armed. If true, that’s an average of one life saved due to firearm self-defense every 1.3 minutes.
In nearly 75% of the cases, the victim did not know his attackers. In nearly 50% of the cases, he faced at least two attackers and in nearly 25% of the cases, there were three or more attackers. A quarter of the incidents of self-defense occurred away from the home.
Results of Kleck’s Findings
Kleck’s National Self-Defense Survey findings provided a strong argument for concealed carry laws and keeping guns in the home for self-defense purposes. It also provided a counter argument to other surveys at the time which claimed that keeping guns for the purpose of self-defense was inadvisable due to their overall danger to the gun owner and his family members.
Marvin Wolfgang, a noted criminologist who was on record favoring a ban on all firearms, even those carried by law enforcement officers, was quoted as saying that the Kleck survey was nearly foolproof, saying:“What troubles me is the article by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz. The reason I am troubled is that they have provided an almost clear-cut case of methodologically sound research in support of something I have theoretically opposed for years, namely, the use of a gun in defense against a criminal perpetrator…I do not like their conclusions that having a gun can be useful, but I cannot fault their methodology.”
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/profiles/a/G...
LMAO!

Liar.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5646 Aug 19, 2013
Marauder wrote:
<quoted text>
"I responded by saying I simply observed his behavior. You asked where I did that and accused me of lying. I said I observe his behavior every time he posts."
So I'm still challenging your ability to "observe" anyone's "behavior" in an internet forum. Please explain this uncanny ability. I still say you're lying.
"You continuously call me a liar but haven't presented even a single lie I've told."
When the shoe fits.... A previous post of mine showed two of your lies. This one has another...unless you can somehow prove this ability to "observe someone's behavior" thru a forum. That should prove very interesting.
Typing words is a behavior. Making statements is a behavior. Making assertions about the world is a behavior. Making claims about what is true is a behavior.

And Squach [sic] has made plenty of delusional statements, assertions, and claims.

How do you not comprehend this? Are you really this ignorant?

BTW - I await your apology for accusing me of lying when it was YOU who was confused.

LOL!...at you.

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