Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10987 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5337 Aug 8, 2013
More guns, less crime. In the decade of the 1990s, the number of guns in this country increased by roughly 40 million—even while the murder rate decreased by almost 40% percent.7 Accidental gun deaths in the home decreased by almost 40 percent as well.
More REAL numbers not surveys. NOTICE "murder rate" not the homicide rate which you try to mislead with.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5338 Aug 8, 2013
CDC admits there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has long been criticized for propagating questionable studies which gun control organizations have used in defense of their cause. But after analyzing 51 studies in 2003, the CDC concluded that the "evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these [firearms] laws."
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5339 Aug 8, 2013
A study claiming "guns are three times more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Even using the low figures from the Clinton Justice Department, firearms are used almost 50 times more often to save life than to take life.

Your "Brady group" proven to lie.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5340 Aug 8, 2013
Gun-free England not such a utopia after all. According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its gun ban in 1997. And according to a United Nations study, British citizens are more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States. The 2000 report shows that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of 16 other industrialized nations, including the United States.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5341 Aug 8, 2013
Armed citizens kill more crooks than do the police. Citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as police do every year (1,527 to 606). Only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The ‘error rate’ for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high."
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5342 Aug 8, 2013
Florida: concealed carry helps slash the murder rate in the state. In the fifteen years following the passage of Florida's concealed carry law in 1987, over 800,000 permits to carry firearms were issued to people in the state. FBI reports show that the homicide rate in Florida, which in 1987 was much higher than the national average, fell 52% during that 15-year period—thus putting the Florida rate below the national average
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5343 Aug 8, 2013
During the first fifteen years that the Florida law was in effect, alligator attacks outpaced the number of crimes committed by carry holders by a 229 to 155 margin.

And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5344 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Again every source you used was maybe could be might. THAT has been pointed out. Brady is NOT ligit.
No it isn't. Your embarrassing ignorance of statistical analysis is making you look foolish.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5345 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Ass out of you and me. Lott used the same method. Like I posted before surveys are often tainted to get the results wanted by wording or innuendo. Real world numbers (as posted) don't match your survey.
No matter how fervently you wish this to be true, it simply isn't. You believe objectively false things in service of your political ideology.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5346 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> I love how you dodge every point I raise by an insult. The first sign of a low IQ and a lost debate. Ha ha ha.
You're not raising a legitimate point. You're simply mindlessly parroting the same old nonsense that I've debunked multiple times.

I've thoroughly debunked your biased, distorted sources. I've explained the facts to you. I've provided objective, empirical evidence to support those facts. And you continue to deny reality.

You've clearly decided that you're going to refuse to acknowledge facts and reality in favor of your political ideologically driven alternate reality. It's impossible to continue trying to have rational debate with you when you've decided to ignore reality.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5347 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Oh really? Explain gun ownership going up but violent crime going down. The FBI numbers PROVE gun ownership IS linked to lower violent crime rates. You want homicide rate like self defense linked to criminal activity. That is an out right lie.
Explain beer drinking going down and violent crime going down at the same time.

Because the link between the two is JUST as strong as the link between gun ownership and violent crime, so until you can explain that connection, your connection is just as meaningless.

Since: Feb 11

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#5348 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Instead of the old "insult" try debating with facts.
Facts don't make a dent on you, Shug.

You just move the goalposts.

Since: Feb 11

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#5349 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Oh really? Explain gun ownership going up but violent crime going down.
More people are in prison for longer time.

The population is getting older.

Drug use is going down.

Explain why you cannot prove a connection.

There is no connection.

Let me help: the percentage of households owning guns ISN'T increasing: more guns are sold to people who already own guns.

Since: Feb 11

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#5350 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading...
Indeed: you don't have the foggiest idea how many crimes are committed by carry permit holders because crimes are not specifically recorded.

They aren't required... so they aren't.

And, in fact, some states prohibit this information to be disseminated.

Since: Feb 11

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#5351 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain beer drinking going down and violent crime going down at the same time.
The recorded criminal behaviors dropping as Toyota Prius sales increase...

Since: Feb 11

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#5352 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
And even the 155 "crimes" committed by concealed carry permit holders are somewhat misleading as most of these infractions resulted from Floridians who accidentally carried their firearms into restricted areas, such as an airport.
PS: Plagiarized.

So this would be a crime...
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5353 Aug 8, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
More people are in prison for longer time.
The population is getting older.
Drug use is going down.
Explain why you cannot prove a connection.
There is no connection.
Let me help: the percentage of households owning guns ISN'T increasing: more guns are sold to people who already own guns.
Then explain conceal carry permits increasing at record rates and violent crime going down (your own post and link show that). Unless you want to claim the same people with one permit are getting more. Yet another control freak lie busted. Your problem is you want more gun control in a time where violent crime is going down. You have no logical reason for it so you just keep making up lies and hope a few stick. They don't. Prisons are being forced to "early release". Drug use is not going down, in fact many areas are just making it legal due to the fact the cost to combat it is bankrupting them. Even one of your other posts and link claimed crime was going down because of economic improvement and poverty rates going down when in reality the economy has been going down and poverty going up. But your main claim is more guns means more crime, yet gun sales are at record rates and crime is going down and yes ccw permits are at record rates too, so much for your claim of the same people buying all the guns.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5354 Aug 8, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Facts don't make a dent on you, Shug.
You just move the goalposts.
I have asked you several times how I am moving the goal post and you have yet to point out how or explain your claim.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5355 Aug 8, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
PS: Plagiarized.
So this would be a crime...
Do you wish to throw the first stone? If so I can go back a few pages and list all of yours.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5356 Aug 8, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed: you don't have the foggiest idea how many crimes are committed by carry permit holders because crimes are not specifically recorded.
They aren't required... so they aren't.
And, in fact, some states prohibit this information to be disseminated.
It came from a state site. What is required is if a permit is revoked a reason must be given. States also provide numbers of permit holders and untill a recent court ruling some areas even gave out permit holders address. I guess you don't have information that you don't want to see. Oh by the way criminal records ARE public records. If you wish to call me a liar at least provide opposing numbers instead of just the stomp rant name calling huffing and puffing.

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