Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

Mar 29, 2013 Full story: Chambersburg Public Opinion 11,004

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5313 Aug 7, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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What an incredibly irrational and nonsensical metaphor.
Seriously, do you have a brain injury?
Instead of the old "insult" try debating with facts.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5314 Aug 7, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it a lie.
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Study: States with more gun laws have less gun violence
States with more gun laws have fewer gun-related deaths, according to a new study released Wednesday by Boston Children's Hospital.
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Fleegler and researchers from Boston Children's Hospital, Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health studied information from all 50 states between 2007 to 2010, analyzing all firearm-related deaths reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and data on firearm laws compiled by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
States with the most laws had a mortality rate 42% lower than those states with the fewest laws, they found. The strong law states' firearm-related homicide rate was also 40% lower and their firearm-related suicide rate was 37% lower.
Specifically, Fleeger pointed to states with many gun laws like Massachusetts, which had 3.4 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, and New Jersey, which had 4.9 gun-deaths per 100,000 people. Conversely, he focused on states with less laws like Louisiana, which had 18 deaths per 100,000 individuals and Alaska, which had 17.5 deaths per 100,000 individuals.
The study also found that laws requiring universal background checks and permits to purchase firearms were most clearly associated with decreasing rates of gun-related homicides and suicides.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
Once again "gun violence" also includes self defense use of a gun which is NOT a criminal action and to list it is altering the numbers of "criminal" use. Once again this is akin to Bluming idiot saying the Boston bomber was a victim of gun violence when shot by the police. Pluse you leave out when gun ownership by citizens is infringed the violent crime rate such as assault and rape go up. You simply want to exchange one crime for another. All your study shows is more criminals get away with assault and rape because the victims are unarmed. In real world numbers (not random phone calls or ratios that limit the other factors) the opposite is true. Guns protect the gun owner many more times than an unarmed victim.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5315 Aug 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Instead of the old "insult" try debating with facts.
All I've done is try to debate the facts. But you ignore the facts and continue re-posting the same old debunked gunner talking points. At some point, all that's left is for me to begin pointing out your rhetorical and logical handicaps. Sorry if you find that insulting, but it's the truth.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5316 Aug 7, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
Gun use in the United States: results from two national surveys
Abstract
Objectives—To determine the relative incidence of gun victimization versus self defense gun use by civilians in the United States, and the circumstances and probable legality of the self defense uses.
Methods—National random digit dial telephone surveys of the adult population were conducted in 1996 and 1999. The Harvard surveys appear unique among private surveys in two respects: asking (1) open ended questions about defensive gun use incidents and (2) detailed questions about both gun victimization and self defense gun use. Five criminal court judges were asked to assess whether the self reported defensive gun uses were likely to have been legal.
Results—Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly.
Conclusions—Guns are used to threaten and intimidate far more often than they are used in self defense. Most self reported self defense gun uses may well be illegal and against the interests of society.
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/6/4/2...
"May could be might". Ha ha ha. Random survey. ha ha ha. Get real numbers and then flush the crap.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5317 Aug 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Once again "gun violence" also includes self defense use of a gun which is NOT a criminal action and to list it is altering the numbers of "criminal" use. Once again this is akin to Bluming idiot saying the Boston bomber was a victim of gun violence when shot by the police. Pluse you leave out when gun ownership by citizens is infringed the violent crime rate such as assault and rape go up. You simply want to exchange one crime for another. All your study shows is more criminals get away with assault and rape because the victims are unarmed. In real world numbers (not random phone calls or ratios that limit the other factors) the opposite is true. Guns protect the gun owner many more times than an unarmed victim.
Once again - I've posted the difference between justifiable homicide and murder numerous times. Your pathological refusal to acknowledge those facts reveals how fearful and desperate you really are.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5318 Aug 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>"May could be might". Ha ha ha. Random survey. ha ha ha. Get real numbers and then flush the crap.
Quibbling about conditional language as if it disqualifies scientific findings reveals your embarrassing ignorance of how statistical science works.

If you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed for your ignorant self.

LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5319 Aug 7, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>"May could be might". Ha ha ha. Random survey. ha ha ha. Get real numbers and then flush the crap.
"Results—Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly."

Where's the "may could be might" liar?
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5320 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
"Results—Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly."
Where's the "may could be might" liar?
Notice in your own quote "PROBABLE". That is not a fact. Also your "survey" admits "assumption" respondents were truthful. REAL numbers like state crime numbers and FBI ect. ect. just don't match that.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5321 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Quibbling about conditional language as if it disqualifies scientific findings reveals your embarrassing ignorance of how statistical science works.
If you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed for your ignorant self.
LOL!
Hey you started it by claiming those like Lott had flaws so should be dismissed. Yes language is important when you claim "probable, might, could be as a fact. The Moon "could be" green cheese but that would not make it a fact.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5322 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again - I've posted the difference between justifiable homicide and murder numerous times. Your pathological refusal to acknowledge those facts reveals how fearful and desperate you really are.
Hey it's you using a report of increased "homicide" rates as being crimes. When in reality self defense "homicides" are counted as crimes is just a lie to fluff your numbers. Of course gun homicide rates are higher where victims can be armed and do use them in defense but that is not criminal activity in fact it is anti criminal activity. For you to dismiss other violent crime goes down when victims can and do defend themselves is willful ignorance of facts. Also you dismiss the "repeat offender" problem goes down when the criminal is dead after attacking an armed victim. You also dismiss the "fact" criminals admit they prefer unarmed victims so even when a criminal attacks, the gun is a deterrent as to who the criminal targets as a victim.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5323 Aug 8, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yes, you can copy and paste plagiarized material.
You can also move the goalposts.
Let's see what Tray had posted as he ties to move the goalposts...
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> LIE. homicide is a death, NOT murder.!
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Homicide is death, not murder.
So what do you call all the crap you copied and pasted? How is pointing out that homicide and murder are not interchangeable moving the goal post? If a state executes a death row inmate, that is the willful and deliberate taking of a human life (homicide) it is not a murder.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5324 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it a lie.
----------
Study: States with more gun laws have less gun violence
States with more gun laws have fewer gun-related deaths, according to a new study released Wednesday by Boston Children's Hospital.
...
Fleegler and researchers from Boston Children's Hospital, Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health studied information from all 50 states between 2007 to 2010, analyzing all firearm-related deaths reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and data on firearm laws compiled by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
States with the most laws had a mortality rate 42% lower than those states with the fewest laws, they found. The strong law states' firearm-related homicide rate was also 40% lower and their firearm-related suicide rate was 37% lower.
Specifically, Fleeger pointed to states with many gun laws like Massachusetts, which had 3.4 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, and New Jersey, which had 4.9 gun-deaths per 100,000 people. Conversely, he focused on states with less laws like Louisiana, which had 18 deaths per 100,000 individuals and Alaska, which had 17.5 deaths per 100,000 individuals.
The study also found that laws requiring universal background checks and permits to purchase firearms were most clearly associated with decreasing rates of gun-related homicides and suicides.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
Notice the word "murder" is not used in your biased report or the fact suicide rates are not linked to the method used for the suicide. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world but rarely is a gun used. Again fluffing numbers. The Brady center? Are you joking? They have been PROVEN over and over to be biased and liars. Almost every report or fact released by them has been debunked. Ha ha ha.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5325 Aug 8, 2013
Ha ha ha, I think i broke a rib laughing so hard.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5326 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Notice in your own quote "PROBABLE". That is not a fact. Also your "survey" admits "assumption" respondents were truthful. REAL numbers like state crime numbers and FBI ect. ect. just don't match that.
EVERY survey assumes respondents are truthful.

If that's the best you've got then you've got NOTHING.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5327 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Hey you started it by claiming those like Lott had flaws so should be dismissed. Yes language is important when you claim "probable, might, could be as a fact. The Moon "could be" green cheese but that would not make it a fact.
Lott doesn't have "flaws." Lott's statements are blatant untruths. My sources are legitimate. Big difference.

Keep trying. LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5328 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Hey it's you using a report of increased "homicide" rates as being crimes. When in reality self defense "homicides" are counted as crimes is just a lie to fluff your numbers. Of course gun homicide rates are higher where victims can be armed and do use them in defense but that is not criminal activity in fact it is anti criminal activity. For you to dismiss other violent crime goes down when victims can and do defend themselves is willful ignorance of facts. Also you dismiss the "repeat offender" problem goes down when the criminal is dead after attacking an armed victim. You also dismiss the "fact" criminals admit they prefer unarmed victims so even when a criminal attacks, the gun is a deterrent as to who the criminal targets as a victim.
You keep saying this after I've proved you wrong over and over and over. I've posted FBI statistics that clearly differentiate between justifiable homicide (self-defense shootings) and murder.

Keep ignoring the objective facts, Troy. It's what you have to do to maintain your intellectually bankrupt ideology.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5329 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Notice the word "murder" is not used in your biased report or the fact suicide rates are not linked to the method used for the suicide. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world but rarely is a gun used. Again fluffing numbers. The Brady center? Are you joking? They have been PROVEN over and over to be biased and liars. Almost every report or fact released by them has been debunked. Ha ha ha.
Again, I've repeatedly posted FBI statistics disproving your lame-assed argument.

Grow up. Accept the facts. Stop being a mindless gun industry dupe.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5330 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
EVERY survey assumes respondents are truthful.
If that's the best you've got then you've got NOTHING.
Ass out of you and me. Lott used the same method. Like I posted before surveys are often tainted to get the results wanted by wording or innuendo. Real world numbers (as posted) don't match your survey.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5331 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
You keep saying this after I've proved you wrong over and over and over. I've posted FBI statistics that clearly differentiate between justifiable homicide (self-defense shootings) and murder.
Keep ignoring the objective facts, Troy. It's what you have to do to maintain your intellectually bankrupt ideology.
Oh really? Explain gun ownership going up but violent crime going down. The FBI numbers PROVE gun ownership IS linked to lower violent crime rates. You want homicide rate like self defense linked to criminal activity. That is an out right lie.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#5332 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
<quoted text>
Lott doesn't have "flaws." Lott's statements are blatant untruths. My sources are legitimate. Big difference.
Keep trying. LOL!
Again every source you used was maybe could be might. THAT has been pointed out. Brady is NOT ligit.

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