Firearms rally scheduled for Chambers...

Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square

There are 10984 comments on the Chambersburg Public Opinion story from Mar 29, 2013, titled Firearms rally scheduled for Chambersburg's square. In it, Chambersburg Public Opinion reports that:

Two local organizations are hosting a Second Amendment Freedom Rally on from noone to 2 p.m. April 6 on Courthouse Plaza in downtown Chambersburg.

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Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5320 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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"Results—Even after excluding many reported firearm victimizations, far more survey respondents report having been threatened or intimidated with a gun than having used a gun to protect themselves. A majority of the reported self defense gun uses were rated as probably illegal by a majority of judges. This was so even under the assumption that the respondent had a permit to own and carry the gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly."
Where's the "may could be might" liar?
Notice in your own quote "PROBABLE". That is not a fact. Also your "survey" admits "assumption" respondents were truthful. REAL numbers like state crime numbers and FBI ect. ect. just don't match that.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5321 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Quibbling about conditional language as if it disqualifies scientific findings reveals your embarrassing ignorance of how statistical science works.
If you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed for your ignorant self.
LOL!
Hey you started it by claiming those like Lott had flaws so should be dismissed. Yes language is important when you claim "probable, might, could be as a fact. The Moon "could be" green cheese but that would not make it a fact.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5322 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Once again - I've posted the difference between justifiable homicide and murder numerous times. Your pathological refusal to acknowledge those facts reveals how fearful and desperate you really are.
Hey it's you using a report of increased "homicide" rates as being crimes. When in reality self defense "homicides" are counted as crimes is just a lie to fluff your numbers. Of course gun homicide rates are higher where victims can be armed and do use them in defense but that is not criminal activity in fact it is anti criminal activity. For you to dismiss other violent crime goes down when victims can and do defend themselves is willful ignorance of facts. Also you dismiss the "repeat offender" problem goes down when the criminal is dead after attacking an armed victim. You also dismiss the "fact" criminals admit they prefer unarmed victims so even when a criminal attacks, the gun is a deterrent as to who the criminal targets as a victim.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5323 Aug 8, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yes, you can copy and paste plagiarized material.
You can also move the goalposts.
Let's see what Tray had posted as he ties to move the goalposts...
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> LIE. homicide is a death, NOT murder.!
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Homicide is death, not murder.
So what do you call all the crap you copied and pasted? How is pointing out that homicide and murder are not interchangeable moving the goal post? If a state executes a death row inmate, that is the willful and deliberate taking of a human life (homicide) it is not a murder.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5324 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it a lie.
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Study: States with more gun laws have less gun violence
States with more gun laws have fewer gun-related deaths, according to a new study released Wednesday by Boston Children's Hospital.
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Fleegler and researchers from Boston Children's Hospital, Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health studied information from all 50 states between 2007 to 2010, analyzing all firearm-related deaths reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and data on firearm laws compiled by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
States with the most laws had a mortality rate 42% lower than those states with the fewest laws, they found. The strong law states' firearm-related homicide rate was also 40% lower and their firearm-related suicide rate was 37% lower.
Specifically, Fleeger pointed to states with many gun laws like Massachusetts, which had 3.4 gun-related deaths per 100,000 people, and New Jersey, which had 4.9 gun-deaths per 100,000 people. Conversely, he focused on states with less laws like Louisiana, which had 18 deaths per 100,000 individuals and Alaska, which had 17.5 deaths per 100,000 individuals.
The study also found that laws requiring universal background checks and permits to purchase firearms were most clearly associated with decreasing rates of gun-related homicides and suicides.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/201...
Notice the word "murder" is not used in your biased report or the fact suicide rates are not linked to the method used for the suicide. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world but rarely is a gun used. Again fluffing numbers. The Brady center? Are you joking? They have been PROVEN over and over to be biased and liars. Almost every report or fact released by them has been debunked. Ha ha ha.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5325 Aug 8, 2013
Ha ha ha, I think i broke a rib laughing so hard.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5326 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Notice in your own quote "PROBABLE". That is not a fact. Also your "survey" admits "assumption" respondents were truthful. REAL numbers like state crime numbers and FBI ect. ect. just don't match that.
EVERY survey assumes respondents are truthful.

If that's the best you've got then you've got NOTHING.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5327 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>Hey you started it by claiming those like Lott had flaws so should be dismissed. Yes language is important when you claim "probable, might, could be as a fact. The Moon "could be" green cheese but that would not make it a fact.
Lott doesn't have "flaws." Lott's statements are blatant untruths. My sources are legitimate. Big difference.

Keep trying. LOL!

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5328 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Hey it's you using a report of increased "homicide" rates as being crimes. When in reality self defense "homicides" are counted as crimes is just a lie to fluff your numbers. Of course gun homicide rates are higher where victims can be armed and do use them in defense but that is not criminal activity in fact it is anti criminal activity. For you to dismiss other violent crime goes down when victims can and do defend themselves is willful ignorance of facts. Also you dismiss the "repeat offender" problem goes down when the criminal is dead after attacking an armed victim. You also dismiss the "fact" criminals admit they prefer unarmed victims so even when a criminal attacks, the gun is a deterrent as to who the criminal targets as a victim.
You keep saying this after I've proved you wrong over and over and over. I've posted FBI statistics that clearly differentiate between justifiable homicide (self-defense shootings) and murder.

Keep ignoring the objective facts, Troy. It's what you have to do to maintain your intellectually bankrupt ideology.

Since: May 12

Chambersburg, PA

#5329 Aug 8, 2013
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Notice the word "murder" is not used in your biased report or the fact suicide rates are not linked to the method used for the suicide. Japan has one of the highest suicide rates in the world but rarely is a gun used. Again fluffing numbers. The Brady center? Are you joking? They have been PROVEN over and over to be biased and liars. Almost every report or fact released by them has been debunked. Ha ha ha.
Again, I've repeatedly posted FBI statistics disproving your lame-assed argument.

Grow up. Accept the facts. Stop being a mindless gun industry dupe.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5330 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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EVERY survey assumes respondents are truthful.
If that's the best you've got then you've got NOTHING.
Ass out of you and me. Lott used the same method. Like I posted before surveys are often tainted to get the results wanted by wording or innuendo. Real world numbers (as posted) don't match your survey.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5331 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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You keep saying this after I've proved you wrong over and over and over. I've posted FBI statistics that clearly differentiate between justifiable homicide (self-defense shootings) and murder.
Keep ignoring the objective facts, Troy. It's what you have to do to maintain your intellectually bankrupt ideology.
Oh really? Explain gun ownership going up but violent crime going down. The FBI numbers PROVE gun ownership IS linked to lower violent crime rates. You want homicide rate like self defense linked to criminal activity. That is an out right lie.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5332 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Lott doesn't have "flaws." Lott's statements are blatant untruths. My sources are legitimate. Big difference.
Keep trying. LOL!
Again every source you used was maybe could be might. THAT has been pointed out. Brady is NOT ligit.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5333 Aug 8, 2013
Dan the Man Chambersburg wrote:
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Again, I've repeatedly posted FBI statistics disproving your lame-assed argument.
Grow up. Accept the facts. Stop being a mindless gun industry dupe.
I love how you dodge every point I raise by an insult. The first sign of a low IQ and a lost debate. Ha ha ha.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5334 Aug 8, 2013
Surveys conducted prior to Kleck’s found gun uses in self-defense to range from 800,000 to 2.5 million each year. A U.S. Department of Justice Survey released in 1994,“Guns in America,” estimated that 1.5 million defensive gun uses each year.
Remember this is a government survey.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5335 Aug 8, 2013
The rate of burglaries at occupied homes (“hot” burglaries) in Great Britain and the Netherlands is 45%, compared to a rate of 13% in the U.S.
Yet more REAL numbers proving guns deter criminals.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5336 Aug 8, 2013
Even anti-gun Clinton researchers concede that guns are used 1.5 million times annually for self-defense. According to the Clinton Justice Department, there are as many as 1.5 million cases of self-defense with a firearm every year. The National Institute of Justice published this figure in 1997 as part of "Guns in America"—a study which was authored by noted anti-gun criminologists Philip Cook and Jens Ludwig
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5337 Aug 8, 2013
More guns, less crime. In the decade of the 1990s, the number of guns in this country increased by roughly 40 million—even while the murder rate decreased by almost 40% percent.7 Accidental gun deaths in the home decreased by almost 40 percent as well.
More REAL numbers not surveys. NOTICE "murder rate" not the homicide rate which you try to mislead with.
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5338 Aug 8, 2013
CDC admits there is no evidence that gun control reduces crime. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) has long been criticized for propagating questionable studies which gun control organizations have used in defense of their cause. But after analyzing 51 studies in 2003, the CDC concluded that the "evidence was insufficient to determine the effectiveness of any of these [firearms] laws."
Tray

Tupelo, MS

#5339 Aug 8, 2013
A study claiming "guns are three times more likely to kill you than help you" is a total fraud. Even using the low figures from the Clinton Justice Department, firearms are used almost 50 times more often to save life than to take life.

Your "Brady group" proven to lie.

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