Letters: Policing police

Letters: Policing police

There are 100 comments on the El Paso Times story from Oct 16, 2010, titled Letters: Policing police. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

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El Paso, TX

#1 Oct 17, 2010
Off duty means the Officer is not getting paid by the El Paso Police Department. Off duty job means the Officer is performing official police duties and is being paid by whomever hired him/her. So to answer your question those Officers that were off duty were not getting paid by anyone. They showed up to support a fellow Officer who gave his life for the City of El Paso.

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Cheswold, Delaware.

#2 Oct 17, 2010
ATF&E should be a convenience store NOT a government agency!
hallelujuah

El Paso, TX

#3 Oct 17, 2010
Answe to your question wrote:
Off duty means the Officer is not getting paid by the El Paso Police Department. Off duty job means the Officer is performing official police duties and is being paid by whomever hired him/her. So to answer your question those Officers that were off duty were not getting paid by anyone. They showed up to support a fellow Officer who gave his life for the City of El Paso.
We'll see about that. The police never do anything for free. They guard their OT like they do their guns.

That's why we need a tax increase, because of the police department.
Andres

El Paso, TX

#4 Oct 17, 2010
The funny thing about Gonsalez' read is that he is questioning police pay. No mention of another fool driving drunk, taking another life. No mention of what are we going to do about this abuse of alcohol that leads to death, destruction and a total life change for the families of the deceased. I believe your question should be asked, but it should be way down at the bottom of the list after we've taken care of the important ones. My condolences to the family and friends of this fine officer.
coincidence

El Paso, TX

#5 Oct 17, 2010
Andres wrote:
The funny thing about Gonsalez' read is that he is questioning police pay. No mention of another fool driving drunk, taking another life. No mention of what are we going to do about this abuse of alcohol that leads to death, destruction and a total life change for the families of the deceased. I believe your question should be asked, but it should be way down at the bottom of the list after we've taken care of the important ones. My condolences to the family and friends of this fine officer.
I agree with Mr. Gonsalez. It was highly inappropriate for so many officers to respond. Do they do that when a normal citizen gets killed? I don't think so. Police are no more or less important than the rest of us.

But why your anger Andres at Mr. Gonsalez' questions? What's there to be angry about. The police cost the taxpayers more than any other department by a long shot? Why shouldn't a citizen question how many officers it takes to investigate a death scene? Surely it is not 50. Why should the taxpayers take a tax increase which will mean some families will lose their homes, when it is not necessary?

This same discussion is being had on another thread. The question is did the officers run the red light. If so, drunk or not drunk, DWI had nothing to do with the officer's death. But if we attack people who dare to ask questions about anything, then the truth will never come out as to who was really at fault, the police or the other driver.

Theresa Caballero has an article on this very case that has been posted on the other thread. I suggest you read it Andres. It is thought provoking. www.theresa Caballero.com .

Don't be mad at citizens who think and ask and probe.
Police Officer

Dallas, TX

#6 Oct 17, 2010
I don't understand how people hate the Police, but the same ones writing in these bloggs are the first to call 911 when they need help. I have done alot for this community and country by serving at war and on our streets, and I'm beginning to feel that I wasted my time. Everyone bashes the Armed Forces who fight for your right to spill your hate in these bloggs, and who are the fist to complain when we don't run code three to your barking dog calls. This man who went to work to help protect our streets is not even in the ground and you spill your hate about all of us who don't know if we are coming home after our shift. I can say that I was called in to help with the accident scene, and it did not cost you anything as I did not put in for overtime on that sad day. I did it because I love my job and a brother was killed doing what he loved. This is sad if all you are worried about is overtime at a time like this!!
caballero blog

El Paso, TX

#7 Oct 17, 2010
Here is part of Theresa Caballero's blog, www.theresacaballero.com .
Alejandro Fierro vs. 1000 El Paso Cops and a biased press
October 14, 2010, 8:05 am
On Wednesday, October 13, 2010, it was reported that two cars collided resulting in the death of on duty El Paso Police Officer Karl McDonough. McDonough was a passenger in his police cruiser. Alejandro Fierro was the driver of the other vehicle. Yesterday on the early evening news it was reported that investigators did not know which vehicle had run the red light causing the accident. A half an hour later the news reported that it was Alejandro Fierro who had run the red light. How was that determined in a half an hour? Who determined that? The police?
Today,the El Paso Times published a two page article about one side of this story. The story documented that 50 officers showed up at the crash scene along with 20 or so firefighters. These 50 officers represented the entire night shift. Who was covering the rest of the area that night? Police union president Ron Martin was quoted as saying that these 50 officers work the graveyard shift together and that they are close and socialize with each other and that losing someone in this group is akin to losing kin. Are these the same police officers conducting the investigation? Are they the ones who determined Fierro had "run the red light?"
El Paso Times reporters Maggie Ybarra and Daniel Borunda quoted Mothers Against Drunk Driver president Virginia Gonzalez who said that cops encounter drunk drivers on the road and they are put in harm's way. By quoting Ms. Gonzalez, the reporters are giving credence to the police's position that 1) Fierro was intoxicated and 2) his intoxication caused him to drive recklessly and that 3) he and not the police ran the red light. Based on the Times' coverage and its one sided reporting, Feirro's conviction is a done deal.
Why not get statistics on how many police officers crash their cruisers running signs/speeding responding to calls. Many of these cops are males in their twenties with high levels of testosterone to meet their high levels of power which include running lights with impugnity.(According to nationwide insurance statistics young men are the most costly group of people to insure since they tend to be reckless-anyone paying to insure a young male would know this). How old was the cop driving the crusier? What is his driving record? Why didn't two reporters ask these basic questions?
Ron Martin, through his big mouth, has given wonderful material to an enterprising defense attorney. Martin's comments are proof that the police-led investigation by angry, broken-up cops is compromised. Does the entire night shift of cops show up when a nurse gets killed? Did the cops/firefighters punch out when they gathered at the scene? Or were they there, away from their duties, still expecting to be paid? If so, why are we paying cops and firefighters to mourn each other? Don't true professionals carry on with their duties and grieve on their own time and on their own dime?
Has anyone ever seen cops run a red light or a stop sign, especially in the early morning? I have on numerous occasions. McDonough and his partner were responding to a call. How do we know they didn't blow the red light and Fierro hit them when he had the green light? How do we know who hit whom? Were there cameras and if so who is retrieving data from the cameras? The same angry cops? Why wasn't DPS called to investigate instead?
According to the news, Fierro was intoxicated. Where did the news get that information? From one of the 50 police officers conducting the investigation? Did Fierro take a breathalizer test? Who administered it? Another graveyard duty cop? Or did Fierro take a blood test at the hospital? If so, how did the cops get the test results back so fast? Why have the reporters not asked these questions? They report Fierro was intoxicated and do not quote a source or publish what that is based on.
caballero blog

El Paso, TX

#8 Oct 17, 2010
Here is the rest of it:

"Why don't the reporters cite their sources? The reporters act as though they have conducted their own investigation and these are their independent findings. What really happens is the police Mouth feeds the reporters the information and being the empty headed dolts they are, the reporters regurgitate the police blather without attribution as though it were gospel.
The El Paso Times, under the tutelage of the insipid Chris Lopez, publishes an article so long and full of details on the deceased officer and on the emotions of his fellow officers (who are very upset but conducting a dispassionate investigation nonetheless) that the public is led to believe that the life of a cop is more valuable than the life of a housewife or a banker or a ditch-digger.
Alejandro Fierro is being accused of intoxicated manslaughter and the investigation is being run by people who hate him and they don't even know him. The press does not ask the most basic, commonsensical questions and puts out sentimental news "reports" poisoning any jury pool against Fierro. After-all, the news is saying that the investigating agency,(the same grieving, seething, cops) is saying Fierro is a drunken driving cop killer. How can anyone be given a fair a shake by society when this is the conduct by the investigating agency and the press?"
Sancho

El Paso, TX

#9 Oct 17, 2010
Police Officer wrote:
I don't understand how people hate the Police, but the same ones writing in these bloggs are the first to call 911 when they need help. I have done alot for this community and country by serving at war and on our streets, and I'm beginning to feel that I wasted my time. Everyone bashes the Armed Forces who fight for your right to spill your hate in these bloggs, and who are the fist to complain when we don't run code three to your barking dog calls. This man who went to work to help protect our streets is not even in the ground and you spill your hate about all of us who don't know if we are coming home after our shift. I can say that I was called in to help with the accident scene, and it did not cost you anything as I did not put in for overtime on that sad day. I did it because I love my job and a brother was killed doing what he loved. This is sad if all you are worried about is overtime at a time like this!!
I don't think everyone hates the police, but not many trust them. I've not had many encounters with the El Paso police but on at least two occasions the police officers blantantly lied. Once to a judge so how can you expect us to trust them. When called to jury duty and it involves the testimony of a police officer the lawyers usually ask if I can accept the officers testimony as true, the answer is always no. I don't normally serve on the jury. Its sad when a police officer dies on duty but did 50 officers respond to the other fatality that night involving another suspected drunk driver, I don't think so. Citzens not only have the right to question police spending but an obligation. If you and your brothers aren't doing anything wrong then don't worry about it.
Get Real

El Paso, TX

#10 Oct 17, 2010
coincidence wrote:
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I agree with Mr. Gonsalez. It was highly inappropriate for so many officers to respond. Do they do that when a normal citizen gets killed? I don't think so. Police are no more or less important than the rest of us.
But why your anger Andres at Mr. Gonsalez' questions? What's there to be angry about. The police cost the taxpayers more than any other department by a long shot? Why shouldn't a citizen question how many officers it takes to investigate a death scene? Surely it is not 50. Why should the taxpayers take a tax increase which will mean some families will lose their homes, when it is not necessary?
This same discussion is being had on another thread. The question is did the officers run the red light. If so, drunk or not drunk, DWI had nothing to do with the officer's death. But if we attack people who dare to ask questions about anything, then the truth will never come out as to who was really at fault, the police or the other driver.
Theresa Caballero has an article on this very case that has been posted on the other thread. I suggest you read it Andres. It is thought provoking. www.theresa Caballero.com .
Don't be mad at citizens who think and ask and probe.
The Police Dept more than 900 strong is a FAMILY!!! if your loved one is killed by a drunk you would have not only your immediate family holding a vigil but all of your relatives from South of the border would be there too not to mention everyone who ever went to the same school or worked on the same street. Most of them would be holding a beer in one hand and a candle in the other and you would all be blocking traffic to demand "your respect".

If so many of the El Pasoans were not involved in crime of some sort they would not get their panties in a twist when they think the cops are ripping them off and THINK is the key word. The officers were off duty........NO PAY!!! and it is their business if they gather for their FAMILY MEMBER.
YOU should have been there too, because now a drunk in a Mercedes has left this city one short of the people who protect you from the same fate.

If it kills your gut to see a POLICE OFFICER honored then move back to wherever you came from but until you do that just SHUT UP!!!!!!!
Get Real

El Paso, TX

#11 Oct 17, 2010
coincidence wrote:
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I agree with Mr. Gonsalez. It was highly inappropriate for so many officers to respond. Do they do that when a normal citizen gets killed? I don't think so. Police are no more or less important than the rest of us.
But why your anger Andres at Mr. Gonsalez' questions? What's there to be angry about. The police cost the taxpayers more than any other department by a long shot? Why shouldn't a citizen question how many officers it takes to investigate a death scene? Surely it is not 50. Why should the taxpayers take a tax increase which will mean some families will lose their homes, when it is not necessary?
This same discussion is being had on another thread. The question is did the officers run the red light. If so, drunk or not drunk, DWI had nothing to do with the officer's death. But if we attack people who dare to ask questions about anything, then the truth will never come out as to who was really at fault, the police or the other driver.
Theresa Caballero has an article on this very case that has been posted on the other thread. I suggest you read it Andres. It is thought provoking. www.theresa Caballero.com .
Don't be mad at citizens who think and ask and probe.
For your info and that of Teresa Caballero who is the biggest idiot ever to live in this city FIERRO confessed to running the red light not once but twice and was not even being questioned beyond "What happened?"
Robnelp

Newcastle, CA

#12 Oct 17, 2010
When will you people learn what a BLOG is?

These are COMMENTS on a TOPIX FORUM related to the above story.
There is no BLOG, BLOGGER or BLOGGING involved.

Even if you are COMMENTING on a story on an actual BLOG, YOU ARE NOT BLOGGING! only the AUTHOR of the actual BLOG is a BLOGGER because he is doing the BLOGGING.

Get a clue

El Paso, TX

#13 Oct 17, 2010
Police Officer wrote:
I don't understand how people hate the Police, but the same ones writing in these bloggs are the first to call 911 when they need help. I have done alot for this community and country by serving at war and on our streets, and I'm beginning to feel that I wasted my time. Everyone bashes the Armed Forces who fight for your right to spill your hate in these bloggs, and who are the fist to complain when we don't run code three to your barking dog calls. This man who went to work to help protect our streets is not even in the ground and you spill your hate about all of us who don't know if we are coming home after our shift. I can say that I was called in to help with the accident scene, and it did not cost you anything as I did not put in for overtime on that sad day. I did it because I love my job and a brother was killed doing what he loved. This is sad if all you are worried about is overtime at a time like this!!
Most people DO NOT enter the force because they love what they are doing, they do it for the money. That can also be said for a majority of the people entering the service. They have no other options in life so they join the military.STFU you clueless moron.
Get a clue

El Paso, TX

#14 Oct 17, 2010
hallelujuah wrote:
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We'll see about that. The police never do anything for free. They guard their OT like they do their guns.
That's why we need a tax increase, because of the police department.
There are no words for you other than the fact that you are indeed an idiot.
StarLight

United States

#15 Oct 17, 2010
Answe to your question wrote:
Off duty means the Officer is not getting paid by the El Paso Police Department. Off duty job means the Officer is performing official police duties and is being paid by whomever hired him/her. So to answer your question those Officers that were off duty were not getting paid by anyone. They showed up to support a fellow Officer who gave his life for the City of El Paso.
He gave his life for the city of El Paso? I don't think so, not really. It was a terrible, terrible accident. There was no heroism or bravery involved in this particular action. This was a tragic accident involving a police officer answering a non-emergency call. No different than a soldier driving to work or a teacher or a surgeon driving to an emergency hospital. This was an accident. It needs all the appropriate attention possible. The accident is not the fault of critics of police officers who speed with no lights. The accident was not the fault of Theresa Caballero who thinks the trial should not be presented in the newspaper. The accident may have been caused by both parties with one being more responsible than the other. The case is extremely important for a number of reason.
StarLight

United States

#16 Oct 17, 2010
Get Real wrote:
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For your info and that of Teresa Caballero who is the biggest idiot ever to live in this city FIERRO confessed to running the red light not once but twice and was not even being questioned beyond "What happened?"
I thought he may have carelessly run the amber light which turned red. In which case, the officer would have been speeding through a red light that had not yet turned green? Is that possible? Could this be a horrible "accident?" Caballero is NOT an idiot. The idiots are people who devour pablum fed by a newspaper without even asking questions. Thank God for people who provoke thought in this town.
James Russell

El Paso, TX

#17 Oct 17, 2010
It si too bad the Victor Maldonado and Mr Gonzalez have such a poor opinion of the police department. I have read recently of bad federal officers in the papers also. None are to the good of their department. I served well for 33 1/2 years on the EPPD before I retired due to an injury I could not overcome. I have seen bad officers and they eventually get their come uppance. As to the Off Duty Officers at the scene of the Officer Fatality, they were not paid straight or over time pay. They were there on theri own hook. The only ones there on duty or on call were the investigatiors from STI, the initial responding officers and supervisors, station commander (required on a death of an officer and trauma response officers assigned to deal with the effects of the officer's death on the responders. get a life both of you.
FEDUP

United States

#18 Oct 17, 2010
Folks our local government at work: hiring crooked cops with improper and questionable vetting of prospective cops!
Why wasn't that crooked thief cop jailed on dwi charges?
Twice, he got away with it! This crooked cop had a rap sheet a mile long, yet he was allowed to patrol our streets! There's something wrong with this picture folks!
If it's you or I, we get jailed on the spot, why wasn't this criminal cop? There is a double standard in justice when a cop or an ordinary citizen commits a crime!
We are at their mercy, what a scary proposition!
StarLight

United States

#19 Oct 17, 2010
Get Real wrote:
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The Police Dept more than 900 strong is a FAMILY!!! if your loved one is killed by a drunk you would have not only your immediate family holding a vigil but all of your relatives from South of the border would be there too not to mention everyone who ever went to the same school or worked on the same street. Most of them would be holding a beer in one hand and a candle in the other and you would all be blocking traffic to demand "your respect".
If so many of the El Pasoans were not involved in crime of some sort they would not get their panties in a twist when they think the cops are ripping them off and THINK is the key word. The officers were off duty........NO PAY!!! and it is their business if they gather for their FAMILY MEMBER.
YOU should have been there too, because now a drunk in a Mercedes has left this city one short of the people who protect you from the same fate.
If it kills your gut to see a POLICE OFFICER honored then move back to wherever you came from but until you do that just SHUT UP!!!!!!!
I hope you are not associated with the police force. You're unhinged. You're not reliable. You're not brave. By the way....all police officers do not automatically respect or love each other as family. It's a fact. They're human like all of us. It matters to you if someone is driving a "Mercedes?" A man with a job died. It's awful. I wish it hadn't happened but the newspapers are filled with reports of people who have died in their jobs. Stop going beserk. We need the facts in this case.
James Russell

El Paso, TX

#20 Oct 17, 2010
Miss Cabellero has always hated the police and sheriff's department and always will. Now if you can get an injunction against the new media to print the "truth" according to you try it. This man will in no doubt be defended by you and your partner in hate and you will request a venue somewhere else. I hope that you get it. Then maybe you will find that the city you have the trail in also needs someone like you and you will move.

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