Cherokee, Lumbee argue over recognition bill

American Indians from either side of North Carolina traveled to Washington on Wednesday to argue about whether one tribe's quest for legitimacy would harm another's proud heritage. Full Story
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#290 Apr 1, 2010
Samual wrote:
<quoted text>
Wado,
Okay Phyllis you mention above here that your Lumbee people abhored the Idea of association with the black race, It shows your racism,That statement of yours alone shows your are racist because there is nothing wrong with associating with blacks ,i admire Blacks and all races and ethnic groups you have revealed why LUMBEES want to be Indian because you abhore your own black African heritage of full blooded blacks you stated that here but dont forget your LUMBEE DNA project has come back with 99% of the tested being, L3,L2,E1b1b2 which is SubSaharan African or Black!!!!! and the rest of the DNA and European/arab caucasian H,K,U,T. You guys are overwhelmingly Black and White so stop trying to over state your Indianess cause it
only exist in your racist minds.And having slaves in one background is no shame either! Blacks are wonderful look at Obama president now!!!
Lumbee DNA Results done By Lumbee's

www.huxford.com/genetics_lumbee_results.htm

www.huxford.com/genetics_lumbee_results.htm

NOT NATIVE AMERICAN Check it out,Results similar to the Mulungeons, The Portuguese and Spanish/African DNA is Overwhelming
in Lumbee's Native DNA Just not there but the Portuguese is no SUPRISE !!! Expalins why LUMBEES dont have a language thats Indian or Indian customs!!! THINK ABOUT IT DERIC,JUNE,PHYLIS YOU ARENT THAT DUMB PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER ADMIT YALLS MISTAKEN HERITAGE AND WE CAN ALL HUG!!!! XOXO XOXO
Samual

San Antonio, TX

#291 Apr 1, 2010
another DNA site
the Lost Colony blogspot.com
DNA results for Lumbees Clip from site:

http:// the-lost-colony.blogspot.com

The Lumbee have long claimed descent from the Lost Colony via their oral histories. The Lumbee DNA Project shows significantly less Native American ancestry than would be expected with 96% European or African Y chromosomal DNA. The Melungeons, long held to be mixed European, African and Native show only one ancestral family with Native DNA. Clearly more testing would be advantageous in all of these projects.
WOW not much of an Indian tribe 96% European or African found!!! That is not Indigenous at all !! okay explain this Deric!!
! Yall are actually Europeans, Im sure you will ignore this your real Lumbee heritage lies in Europe and Africa!!! LUCY !! You got some splaining to do!! All the DNA projects cant be wrong!!!!
Phyllis

Raleigh, NC

#292 Apr 6, 2010
Sam, I see your wrote on April fool's day no question about who that day belongs to here. The very people your Cherokee would not admit to the tribe were your family also. You admitted that you have several races in your family tree. Oh well, I guess it all fits. We are not here to convince anyone that indeed we are native to this country at all. We do not need your approval and we certainly are not looking for a hand up. The respect was and is long overdue. So button up, lay back and go for the ride. Life is just that. Nothing you can say or try and I mean try to quote will change the nation of our people.
Tsani

Toccoa, GA

#293 Apr 6, 2010
clipper82 wrote:
i think his is some dumb stuff i am black foot, cherokee and lumbee and it should not matter if you are full blood or have 1% in you we are all brothers and sis of mother earth and father sky
Stop using that bull crap mother earth and father sky!!! you are justn a wanna be ayvwiya ( native american)!!! The lumbees are not true Native americans they are not native americans now tell me what native american looks black or mullato . Not the Cherokees!!!! The lumbees did not originate from the cherokees.. They used that just to get federal recogmition but they diudnt get it why wont you croatons stop trying to get federal recognition because yall can't......
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#294 Apr 6, 2010
Tsani wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop using that bull crap mother earth and father sky!!! you are justn a wanna be ayvwiya ( native american)!!! The lumbees are not true Native americans they are not native americans now tell me what native american looks black or mullato . Not the Cherokees!!!! The lumbees did not originate from the cherokees.. They used that just to get federal recogmition but they diudnt get it why wont you croatons stop trying to get federal recognition because yall can't......
Wado thanks for the backup! All i simply do is put the LUMBEES own DNA results from their own DNA project and it shows that they are 96% Euro african and they try to dog me and say im wack but we all know who the wannabees are! The LUMBEEs, it even rytmes with Wannabee they even defy their own lack of Indian customs,no Artifacts,No treatys,no reservation,no language,no crafts, no Dna,they have failed the DNA test ,they are not Indigenous i completely agree. LUMBEE test results here :
Lumbee DNA Results done By Lumbee's

www.huxford.com/genetics_lumbee_results.htm

www.huxford.com/genetics_lumbee_results.htm

NOT NATIVE AMERICAN Check it out, The Portuguese and Spanish/African DNA is Overwhelming
in Lumbee's Native DNA Just not there but the Portuguese is no SUPRISE !!! Expalins why LUMBEES dont have a language thats Indian or Indian customs!!!YOU Lumbee THAT DUMB PUT THE PIECES TOGETHER ADMIT YALLS MISTAKEN HERITAGE AND WE CAN ALL HUG!!!! XOXO XOXO
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#295 Apr 6, 2010
Phyllis wrote:
Sam, I see your wrote on April fool's day no question about who that day belongs to here. The very people your Cherokee would not admit to the tribe were your family also. You admitted that you have several races in your family tree. Oh well, I guess it all fits. We are not here to convince anyone that indeed we are native to this country at all. We do not need your approval and we certainly are not looking for a hand up. The respect was and is long overdue. So button up, lay back and go for the ride. Life is just that. Nothing you can say or try and I mean try to quote will change the nation of our people.
Yes, we are mixed but my ancestral origin is true! Dna ,Im a C- Haplogroup and real and not made up LUMBEE fake name.My ancestors have existed as a tribe since contact with yours from Europe and we maintained it with language and custom so nothing artificial like yours.The only people you can convince that your Lumbee are natives are politicians looking for votes!!! The government will destroy the intergrity of recognized tribes by inserting a fake one like yours. Another attempt to break down the First nations.
Oh, but you are not a Nation just a bunch of Individuals looking for a title ,name and identity at any cost.
Phyllis

Raleigh, NC

#296 Apr 7, 2010
Tsani wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop using that bull crap mother earth and father sky!!! you are justn a wanna be ayvwiya ( native american)!!! The lumbees are not true Native americans they are not native americans now tell me what native american looks black or mullato . Not the Cherokees!!!! The lumbees did not originate from the cherokees.. They used that just to get federal recogmition but they diudnt get it why wont you croatons stop trying to get federal recognition because yall can't......
If you care to check some of the Cherokee rolls there are common surnames among the Cherokee and the Lumbee. You also have Black Cherokee Indians and White Cherokee Indians, apparently there was quite some mixing going on.
Phyllis

Raleigh, NC

#297 Apr 7, 2010
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we are mixed but my ancestral origin is true! Dna ,Im a C- Haplogroup and real and not made up LUMBEE fake name.My ancestors have existed as a tribe since contact with yours from Europe and we maintained it with language and custom so nothing artificial like yours.The only people you can convince that your Lumbee are natives are politicians looking for votes!!! The government will destroy the intergrity of recognized tribes by inserting a fake one like yours. Another attempt to break down the First nations.
Oh, but you are not a Nation just a bunch of Individuals looking for a title ,name and identity at any cost.
Which nation are you claiming? From your own words, you are quite a mix. As I said before not all surnames have been tested and dna studies do not show all a person's dna only where a common ancestor originated. You keep playing the same old tune and nothing is new. Your point is mute and so should you be.
Samual

San Antonio, TX

#298 Apr 7, 2010
Phyllis wrote:
<quoted text>Which nation are you claiming? From your own words, you are quite a mix. As I said before not all surnames have been tested and dna studies do not show all a person's dna only where a common ancestor originated. You keep playing the same old tune and nothing is new. Your point is mute and so should you be.
Sam yes Cherokee,Creek and i dont mind being mixed race im not asking politicians to make me a modern newly Fully Federally recognized Group based on no tangible evidence of native heritage only emotions but your European african heritage is callin you Lumbees out loud it says you cant pass for indian anymore(DNA dont lie) a tribe of 56,000+ people should dispay a heap of indigenous DNA and roots but not with Lumbees because Lumbee are a Creole group not an Indigenous tribe that in the past tried to change their heritage in the past to avoid be classified with their full black brothers***.(one drop rule)**** The Tax payers should not shell out close to a Billion dollars every 4 years to support a non-indigenous group, self-identified confused group under the BIA. I the Lumbee bill needs through debate to determine and examine all the tangible evidence using modern technology first.
Phyllis

Raleigh, NC

#299 Apr 8, 2010
Sam you sound like a broken record. You have too much anger and animosity. Live and let live, we are native, indigenous, endemic, aboriginal and any other synonym you can throw.
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#300 Apr 8, 2010
Phyllis wrote:
Sam you sound like a broken record. You have too much anger and animosity. Live and let live, we are native, indigenous, endemic, aboriginal and any other synonym you can throw.
PROOVE IT, Put u[p or shut up!!YOU HAVE NO NEW EVIDENCE or ANY at ALL!!!
THats why LUMBEES are like the real broken records!!! nothing new!! except my grandma says she was an Indian princess !!!
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#301 Apr 8, 2010
Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Tooth Fairy and The Lumbee Tribe all fall in the same catagory!! All myths and lovely fairy tales!! But some people will argue that santa claus is REAL too !!!
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#302 Apr 12, 2010
Phyllis wrote:
<quoted text>If you care to check some of the Cherokee rolls there are common surnames among the Cherokee and the Lumbee. You also have Black Cherokee Indians and White Cherokee Indians, apparently there was quite some mixing going on.
Then you should apply as Cherokee if you think thats true phyllis !!! Wado
Phyllis

Raleigh, NC

#303 Apr 13, 2010
Sam such anger and hostilities are what you are all about. Jealous because you can not pin-point exactly who you belong with. Have faith maybe one day the Cherokees will allow you mixed folks to join them. Until then keep up with all your tyrannical views.
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#304 Apr 13, 2010
Phyllis wrote:
Sam such anger and hostilities are what you are all about. Jealous because you can not pin-point exactly who you belong with. Have faith maybe one day the Cherokees will allow you mixed folks to join them. Until then keep up with all your tyrannical views.
I am Cherokee/Creek and more!! Tsalagi by the way ,My ancestors are straight off the Res in NC. I dont have to have faith I have fact, I am rolled.I have no anger or hostilities for any one .its a shame you see fact as that ,like i said i simply state your own Lumbee Dna results from your own Lumbee Dna projects!! Your whole tribe cannot pinpoint where they belong,except for the African and European ancestry DNA, even scientist and historians cannot pinpoint any native connection for Lumbee its all guess work in that case.But the Dna is a fact that you cannot dispute even though you all do.I simply would not like to see the Integrity of Already fully federally Recognized tribes destroyed by the insertion of a newly created group baesd on rumor,hearsay and theory.It leaves open the pandoras Box for anyone to apply and litigation. Recognition is also about Sovereignty and laws and imposes many rights and benefits not taken into consideration such as land trust issues and (future) gaming
issues.(the no gaming clause can be changed later!) and hundreds of other issues not adressed in the bill.Why should tax payers spend close to a BILLION$$$ dollars every 4 years for a group that cannot proove itself even with DNA ,a group that has no significant native indigenous heritage or DNA under the BIA.
SAM

San Antonio, TX

#305 Apr 14, 2010
More likely lumbee origins than native American! Lumbee DNA matches this!!!!
Croatia was not a country in the 1500s but a part of Venice, Austria, Hungary, Turkey or the Republic of Dubrovnik-Ragusa. One could say they were: Croatians, Croatans or Croatoan s. historians state that Croatoan is an Algonquin Indian name. Other experts state there is no CR or KR sound in the Algonquin language in that area.
Melingi-Melingoi
The Melungeon, Lumbee, and Croatan groups in America claim to be a mixture of Indian and European mariners, liberated slaves, Lost Colonists, and remnants of Spanish and Portuguese settlements. There is considerable speculation as to the origin of the name Melungeon. The Melingi-Melingoi were Slavic groups in the Balkans that would have willingly served in Turkish fleets.
Turkish Slaves,Sir Frances Drake liberated hundreds of slaves in the Caribbean while plundering Spanish settlements. Drake brought material help to the Roanoke Colony and LEFT the TURKS and MOORS and some European slaves at Roanoke. These liberated slaves far outnumbered the English Colonists; some left with Drake and were returned to Turkey. Almost all Turkish admirals in the 1500s were Croatian-Dalmatians. Bosnia-Hercegovina, one half of Croatia and parts of the Dalmatian coast, all part of the Croatian kingdom,were conquered by Turkey. the second language at the Turkish Court for the military and marine was Croatian. Twenty two Great Viziers (Prime Ministers) of the Turkish Empire were Croatians. Whats your analyst? Forum,Lumbee tend to be too one sided,no objectivity(they think its always gotta be an Indian) but facts show that they are wrong.
SAM

San Antonio, TX

#306 Apr 14, 2010
A better theory than Indian, DNA supports this!!
Croatia was not a country in the 1500s but a part of Venice, Austria, Hungary, Turkey or the Republic of Dubrovnik-Ragusa. One could say they were: Croatians, Croatans or Croatoan s. historians that Croatoan is an Algonquin Indian name. Other experts state there is no CR or KR sound in the Algonquin language in that area.
Melingi-Melingoi
The Melungeon, Lumbee, and Croatan groups in America claim to be a mixture of Indian and European mariners, liberated slaves, Lost Colonists, and remnants of Spanish and Portuguese settlements. There is considerable speculation as to the origin of the name Melungeon. The Melingi-Melingoi were Slavic groups in the Balkans that would have willingly served in Turkish fleets.
Turkish Slaves
Sir Frances Drake liberated hundreds of slaves in the Caribbean while plundering Spanish settlements. Drake brought material help to the Roanoke Colony and LEFT the Turks and Moors and some European slaves at Roanoke. These liberated slaves far outnumbered the English Colonists; some left with Drake and were returned to Turkey.almost all Turkish admirals in the 1500s were Croatian-Dalmatians. Bosnia-Hercegovina, one half of Croatia and parts of the Dalmatian coast, all part of the Croatian kingdom, were conquered by Turkey. Many Dalmatian mariners served in Turkish fleets; the second language at the Turkish Court for the military and marine was Croatian. Twenty two Great Viziers (Prime Ministers) of the Turkish Empire were Croatians.Lumbees think its always gotta be an Indian but history points to other groups and DNA.
SAM

San Antonio, TX

#307 Apr 18, 2010
here is a good data base of info factual info and for Lumbees from a non-biased Wiki-pedia, everyone should read even!!! LUMBEES

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6356875/Lumbee/

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6356875/Lumbee/
Phyllis

Raleigh, NC

#308 Apr 19, 2010
Sam,you sound like a parrot that keeps repeating itself only because it likes to hear itself speak, I am ending my debate with you because the forum is about Lumbees and Cherokees and since I am a Lumbee and you are not sure what you are and you are not on any roll, I wish you luck with all your endeavors.
Sam

San Antonio, TX

#309 Apr 19, 2010
Phyllis wrote:
Sam,you sound like a parrot that keeps repeating itself only because it likes to hear itself speak, I am ending my debate with you because the forum is about Lumbees and Cherokees and since I am a Lumbee and you are not sure what you are and you are not on any roll, I wish you luck with all your endeavors.
Phyllis, I want to hear and i want to believe that you Lumbees are Native American Too but I cannot deny all the tangible evidence against that theory,Maybe here at this Forum we may get some new evidence thats real from somebody out there?? something that will hold up ??,you never know, dialogue can be useful, Wado,Yes I am Cherokee enrolled member since birth!! I am what you wanna-bee !! but you are not even Indian,Yall just a member of the confused Lumbee wanna-bees, so of course you dont wanna debate because you have nothing real or new to put on this table or Forum just hearsay from your Great-grandma!!!!! So tell me about your Dna results ?they were negative for Native American Indian like the rest of your confused Lumbee group!!! probably 99.5% European and sub-saharan African like the rest of Lumbees tested.Have you done one, I guess you did and you found the truth !!!!
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