Dems attack Ryan plan to privatize So...

Dems attack Ryan plan to privatize Social Security

There are 2024 comments on the Fox News story from Aug 19, 2012, titled Dems attack Ryan plan to privatize Social Security. In it, Fox News reports that:

FILE: Aug. 18, 2012: Vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan speaks to a crowd at Lake Sumter Landing Market Square in The Villages, Fla.

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Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#1473 Oct 8, 2012
Hypnotic Phantom wrote:
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And how did you deduce that, Sherlock?
Same way obk2 thinks China pays for our military. Follow the conversation or stay out of it.

Since: Jan 10

Las Vegas, NV

#1474 Oct 8, 2012
Black Rhino wrote:
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You ain't got no job, man...Stop lying.
That's a true statement. I'm retired.

Blow me liberal. You need to get a job liberal. Pay your own bills and be responsible.

Since: Apr 12

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#1475 Oct 8, 2012
Here in Vegas wrote:
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People voted for Gov't dependency. They voted in the people that gave thing what they wanted at the expense of otheres.
Seems you did OK. How did you do that? You never answered that. Your answers are always excuses why others can't.
Republiscums are the definition of government dependency. Dirtbag Romney your America-hating, Christ-hating Mormon Messiah is the epitome of government dependency.

1. Four time draft dodging depending on the government to keep him safe in France as he cowardly refused to fight for a war he supported the filthy scumbag.

2. Used federal funds to save the SLC Olympics and then lies that he saved the Olympics the filthy, lying scumbag.

3. Used tax dodging the filthy lying scumbag to get his income tax rate to 9% on $13Million of income. Used tax dodging in the Caymans, Switzerland and the Bahamas to use American services without paying his bills.

4. It gets better....

Since: Apr 12

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#1476 Oct 8, 2012
Dirtbag Romney using government to make himself rich at the expense of middle class Americans. You know, the 99% he pisses on every time he opens his mouth and LIES.

BENDOVER Teabaggers

"So when Romney touts his business acumen, he's really bragging about his ability to take advantage of a tax code rigged by himself and others like him to skew the playing field in such a way that in reality poses very little personal risk to himself.

For example, another "loophole" in the Tax Code permitted Romney, as a private equity partner, to place virtually unlimited amounts into a tax-deferred IRA by allowing Romney and his partners to grossly underestimate the "value" of their contributions, because the Code only considers a partnership interest in terms of its "future value."

You and I (and ninety-nine percent of Americans who did not have the good fortune and connections to work for a private equity firm) are limited to deferring a few thousand dollars per year from taxes. Mitt Romney's IRA, according to Reich, approaches 100 million dollars.

The Tax Code also makes interest on debt tax-deductible, fostering a huge incentive to substitute debt for equity, leading to debt-fueled bets made by banks and financial institutions intent on "leveraging America to the hilt," and culminating in the economic catastrophe that the Bush Administration was forced to finally confront in 2008, and that we still find ourselves mired in today.

But for the banks, private equity firms, hedge funds and other financial institutions who brought on the crisis--and for Mitt Romney-- there was no catastrophe. Two-thirds of all income gains realized between the mid-1980's and 2007 were in the financial sector, showered on the people who made their livelihood playing with other people's money. People like the folks at Bain Capital, who structured their deals so they would always profit, even though some of the companies they funded ultimately collapsed under the weight of excessive debt.

And when the collapse ultimately occurred, the same people who had profited mightily from leveraging the rest of the country were given a massive bailout. The fact is that the economic crisis directly felt by nearly all "ordinary" Americans was never really felt by the people who caused it. That's the benefit of playing with other people's money." D

“Antisocialistic”

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#1478 Oct 9, 2012
I'm glad everyone has learned to ignore OregonSUX' unfounded laughable propaganda. The shit stirrer ruins every thread he/she enters.

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#1479 Oct 9, 2012
Here in Vegas wrote:
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All my tax dollars go to food stamps for illegal aliens. Weird how that works out.
All YOUR tax money goes to that? Well, I suppose they should thank you then... How does one find out exactly where their tax money goes? I didn't realize that we each had designated recipients.

Since: Apr 12

Englewood, CO

#1480 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
I'm glad everyone has learned to ignore OregonSUX' unfounded laughable propaganda. The shit stirrer ruins every thread he/she enters.
I thought that it was a he-she..

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#1481 Oct 9, 2012
Son of SickNTired wrote:
<quoted text>I thought that it was a he-she..
Lol. That would explain a few things.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1482 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Do you have proof that they do not?
You are free to believe that Ryan totally distanced himself from a history of believing something different than Romney is putting forth all you want. No amount of proof on something like this is definitive enough for some people.

If you want to believe that Ryan now believes in wealth redistribution and socialism be my guest. We know for a fact Romney does from his time as Governor.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1483 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Again, proof?
Does he believe in wealth redistribution and socialism or not?

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Since: May 12

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#1484 Oct 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>You are free to believe that Ryan totally distanced himself from a history of believing something different than Romney is putting forth all you want. No amount of proof on something like this is definitive enough for some people.

If you want to believe that Ryan now believes in wealth redistribution and socialism be my guest. We know for a fact Romney does from his time as Governor.
You are free to believe it's that cut and dry. You can close your eyes to the fact that representing a Country requires different motivation and action than representing a State.

The bottom line here is Obama wants Federal Government to rule the Country as a whole. Romney wants States to rule themselves as individual components of the Country.

Pretty clear to me. But, as you pointed out, no amount of proof on something like this is definitive enough for some people.

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#1485 Oct 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>Does he believe in wealth redistribution and socialism or not?
See previous response.

And what does this have to do with being falsely labeled a psychopath?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1486 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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You are free to believe it's that cut and dry. You can close your eyes to the fact that representing a Country requires different motivation and action than representing a State.
The bottom line here is Obama wants Federal Government to rule the Country as a whole. Romney wants States to rule themselves as individual components of the Country.
Pretty clear to me. But, as you pointed out, no amount of proof on something like this is definitive enough for some people.
I think you are confusing Obama with Lincoln. Lincoln is the one that turned the USA into the Hotel California with the Federal Government having the keys to the place.

States having more say so does not equate to less taxes, it equates to more for the most part. Statees are free to sue or threaten to sue the government over states rights at this time, California did it over EPA rules. Other than the ACA, what states have sued for their say-so?

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Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#1487 Oct 9, 2012
Here in Vegas wrote:
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Same way obk2 thinks China pays for our military. Follow the conversation or stay out of it.
If you wish people to stop commenting on your conversation maybe you shouldn't be posting them on an open discussion board,eh?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1488 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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See previous response.
And what does this have to do with being falsely labeled a psychopath?
I never stated or implied he was a psychopath. I implied that he is against wealth redistribution and socialism and has stated so.

“Antisocialistic”

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#1489 Oct 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>I think you are confusing Obama with Lincoln. Lincoln is the one that turned the USA into the Hotel California with the Federal Government having the keys to the place.

States having more say so does not equate to less taxes, it equates to more for the most part. Statees are free to sue or threaten to sue the government over states rights at this time, California did it over EPA rules. Other than the ACA, what states have sued for their say-so?
I'm not confusing Obama with anyone. He is a Tyrant.
I didn't say anything about taxes. But again there is a difference between Federal and State Taxes. If a state wants to raise taxes, they can raise taxes. If the people are tired of it, they move to a State with lower taxes. The State that raised taxes can then decide to lower taxes, or end up with too few people to support the Government. Either way, the people win with either lower taxes or smaller government.

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#1490 Oct 9, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>I never stated or implied he was a psychopath. I implied that he is against wealth redistribution and socialism and has stated so.
imaginaryfriend wrote:
Privatize Ryan would gleefully kill Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He is a psychopath.

That is the post I replied to. My reply to that post is what you replied to.

Ryan is against wealth redistribution and Socialism. So am I.
If you read my previous posts, you would see that to label Romney as a wealth redistributor or Socislist just because that's what his State wanted when he was Governor is narrow minded. Everyone seems to forget the government is supposed to work for we the people. When a politician finally takes that approach, he is still labeled by his constituent's record rather than his own.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1491 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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I'm not confusing Obama with anyone. He is a Tyrant.
I didn't say anything about taxes. But again there is a difference between Federal and State Taxes. If a state wants to raise taxes, they can raise taxes. If the people are tired of it, they move to a State with lower taxes. The State that raised taxes can then decide to lower taxes, or end up with too few people to support the Government. Either way, the people win with either lower taxes or smaller government.
A tyrant? Really? With our form of government? Wht could be more tyranical than a dictator telling his citizens they have nor right not to belong to him?

Your last sentence gives rise to the thought the federal government is doing too much. By doing less, taxes will be lower.

However, if the federal government does things more efficiently than 50 individual states do, and that function is necessary then it will cost more for the 50 separate states to do the function.

As an example, clearly the FDA and CDC are unconstitutional. There is nothing that gives the federal government jurisdiction over medicine. These are two things that should be abolished if we are to operate under the Constitution. The states even retain control over licensing of doctors, nurses, other care givers and their facilities. There is no argument that is logical or rational that can separate the FDA, the CDC and the other pillars of our healthcare community.

Yet no one, not even the TEA Party has called for the elimination of the FDA and CDC at the federal level. Why?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1492 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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imaginaryfriend wrote:
Privatize Ryan would gleefully kill Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He is a psychopath.
That is the post I replied to. My reply to that post is what you replied to.
Ryan is against wealth redistribution and Socialism. So am I.
If you read my previous posts, you would see that to label Romney as a wealth redistributor or Socislist just because that's what his State wanted when he was Governor is narrow minded. Everyone seems to forget the government is supposed to work for we the people. When a politician finally takes that approach, he is still labeled by his constituent's record rather than his own.
Which is why we should elect people that agree with the people, not that promise to do the people's will. One can lead the people forward to their destination and the other is an administrator.

Romney was successful at the Olympic deal because he took more federal funds than any other Olympics in history.

Romney has a history of using government to suit his purposes whether it is working with Bain, the Olympics, Marriot Hotels, Governor of Massechusettes, or as an investor. What he does not have a history of is not using the government.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#1493 Oct 9, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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imaginaryfriend wrote:
Privatize Ryan would gleefully kill Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. He is a psychopath.
That is the post I replied to. My reply to that post is what you replied to.
Ryan is against wealth redistribution and Socialism. So am I.
If you read my previous posts, you would see that to label Romney as a wealth redistributor or Socislist just because that's what his State wanted when he was Governor is narrow minded. Everyone seems to forget the government is supposed to work for we the people. When a politician finally takes that approach, he is still labeled by his constituent's record rather than his own.
And I replied to the socialism/wealth redistribution part, not the Psychopath part.

It is interesting though that according to what I have read, politicians benefit from many of the same traits of a psychopath. That is politicians at the federal level in general, not one side or the other.

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