What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10323 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4179 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Again, you lose. No where have I stated that hard work and perserverence don't play a role. Quite the opposite, I said they do.
It is you who can not accept that luck plays "A" role, not the whole but a part, because it blows the rest of your reasoning out of the water. Not because luck does not play a role.
I feel sorry for you that you appear to believe that you have no control over your success or failure. If you really believe that luck plays a part then you also must believe that some are destined to succeed and other destined to fail. If you believe this then you have lost before you started
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4180 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Prove it.
As for your comment on who is paying taxes, I may pay more than you, but I know for a fact it takes a loser Republican to assume that someone else is not paying taxes.
Shouts the one crying out for others to pay more
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4181 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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It is a terrible crime, I know. Fortunately, most Republicans possess an inability to recognize facts when presented. Kind of reminds me of a deer dog chasing rabbits.
What you really see as a crime is that you cannot figure out how to succeed in life. Crying out for others to help you shoulder your burdens, and claiming that people do not have compassion when they balk to assist.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4182 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, you lose. No where have I stated that hard work and perserverence don't play a role. Quite the opposite, I said they do.
It is you who can not accept that luck plays "A" role, not the whole but a part, because it blows the rest of your reasoning out of the water. Not because luck does not play a role.
I have found that what most people call 'luck' is just someone acting on an opportunity available to them. i've seen many people pass on great opportunities because it would take effort and risk.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4183 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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If you were a Veteran you would know how bad the VA is. Currently it can take months to get in to see a doctor. Yeah the government is soooo effective
Where does it take months to get in and see a doctor? Where?

"WASHINGTON, Jan. 20, 2006 – Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals."

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx...

That was 2006 and it was for the 6th consecutive year. Now if you have something different to show, go for it. Otherwise admit you don't know what you are talking about.

The VA regularly wins awards for service and satisfaction.

I think you were confusing the VA with military hospitals operated under contract to private firms and that hire private practice doctors as opposed to US Government doctors.

Socialism works better in this case.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4184 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
I feel sorry for you that you appear to believe that you have no control over your success or failure. If you really believe that luck plays a part then you also must believe that some are destined to succeed and other destined to fail. If you believe this then you have lost before you started
No need to feel sorry for me, my retirement will be much more comfortable and active than your own.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4185 Nov 30, 2012
lost-cause wrote:
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I had never really thought about farm subsidies before. Found these numbers interesting though, looks like very little or none go to the smaller farms, at least here in the state of Indiana. I also noticed that Clinton used them in part to increase his #'s in his '96 campaign.
I see where some of that money is well spent (IMO) and the rest is probably unnecessary, again IMO.
$9.78 billion in subsidies 1995-2011.
$7.13 billion in commodity subsidies.
$1.63 billion in crop insurance subsidies.
$766 million in conservation subsidies.
$260 million in disaster subsidies.
Indiana ranking: 11 of 50 States
41 percent of farms in Indiana did not collect subsidy payments - according to USDA.
Ten percent collected 74 percent of all subsidies.
Amounting to $6.01 billion over 17 years.
Top 10%:$27,525 average per year between 1995 and 2011.
Bottom 80%:$556 average per year between 1995 and 2011.
http://farm.ewg.org/region.php...
good info, tanx. you think any of those farms recieving this govt aid were in the inner cities?

the commodity subsidies were interesting; they included the money used to keepcrop insurance a viable program, so that money really goes to all farmers in reduced rates. Commodity subsidies make up the bulk of monies paid.
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4186 Nov 30, 2012
Democrats are great believers in the concept of Liberty for all of humanity. It's just that individual humans need to be restrained -- for their on good of course. It would be irresponsible to let an individual endanger their health by eating greasy theater popcorn or drinking water from a mountain stream that some fish has peed in (and hasn't been tested by a government agency). Sadly, when you face the reality, every aspect of human activity must be controlled by the superior knowledge of the government bureaucrat. That government bureaucrats themselves are sometimes accused of being human is a fallacious argument as their holistic association results in superior knowledge.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4187 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Shouts the one crying out for others to pay more
Hey, I will tell you straight up, you are one of the problems and you should have to pay for supporting the build up to the fiscal mess.

Without doubt you supported the bush tax cuts. You also supported the invasion of Iraq. You most likely supported the pharmacy benefit package.

And you supported paying for none of it.

I would cap SS payments right where they are for the next 5 - 10 years along with making selected people on Medicare pay more.

I would do this because of spoiled rotten babies like yourself who supported taking a budget on its way to being balanced and allowing it to go back into deficit spending.

Now you get your rocks off sitting back and laughing at those that would have you pay more for the damage you have supported being done.

It must be great telling the children and grandchildren that you are so proud of that you would rather leave them idebted up to their necks than pay a dime of it yourself.

Why don't you give them a Christmas Card this year with the amount of debt that you are leaving them as a present? Because you are a spoiled rotten baby that knows in 20 years or so they will figure it out on their own.
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4188 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where does it take months to get in and see a doctor? Where?
"WASHINGTON, Jan. 20, 2006 – Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals."
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx...
That was 2006 and it was for the 6th consecutive year. Now if you have something different to show, go for it. Otherwise admit you don't know what you are talking about.
The VA regularly wins awards for service and satisfaction.
I think you were confusing the VA with military hospitals operated under contract to private firms and that hire private practice doctors as opposed to US Government doctors.
Socialism works better in this case.
Again if you were a Veteran you would know better. But you are obvioulsy not

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4189 Nov 30, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>I have found that what most people call 'luck' is just someone acting on an opportunity available to them. i've seen many people pass on great opportunities because it would take effort and risk.
Fortunately I was specific and stated it was "luck" to be born with intellgence, health and in America.
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4190 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to feel sorry for me, my retirement will be much more comfortable and active than your own.
Again your claims are not consistant with your postions
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4191 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, I will tell you straight up, you are one of the problems and you should have to pay for supporting the build up to the fiscal mess.
Without doubt you supported the bush tax cuts. You also supported the invasion of Iraq. You most likely supported the pharmacy benefit package.
And you supported paying for none of it.
I would cap SS payments right where they are for the next 5 - 10 years along with making selected people on Medicare pay more.
I would do this because of spoiled rotten babies like yourself who supported taking a budget on its way to being balanced and allowing it to go back into deficit spending.
Now you get your rocks off sitting back and laughing at those that would have you pay more for the damage you have supported being done.
It must be great telling the children and grandchildren that you are so proud of that you would rather leave them idebted up to their necks than pay a dime of it yourself.
Why don't you give them a Christmas Card this year with the amount of debt that you are leaving them as a present? Because you are a spoiled rotten baby that knows in 20 years or so they will figure it out on their own.
Waaaa … you sound like a child that wants the toy held by another and feels that a tantrum is the way to achieve your goal. Wrong!
You have no idea of what I supported or not, and you certainly have no idea of what I have had to pay for.

As far as SS I would abolish this as well as Medicare. I don’t need them and I should not have to pay for them. Neither myself nor my children will ever need them. You talk about laughing at those who will have to pay more !!! I have to pay into services that I will never need nor use, to support ungrateful losers such as yourself.

Again you can claim what you like but your positions are clear. You are a dependent, believing that you have no control over your successes or failures and that its all luck and the rich keeping you down. No responsibility for your lack of education or motivation if life. You were just unlucky. Makes it easy to discount the “REAL HARD WORK THAT IT TAKES TO SUCCEED”.

You are the loser that I called you out on originally. If you were in the room I’m sure that we could all smell the failure on you.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#4192 Nov 30, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how is the gov;t giving you money not welfare?
whhat point have you ever proven? Your statement was shown to an outright lie, based on your prejudices and misinformation.
I've continued to ask for post numbers and yet you keep up blather instead. Why is that?

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#4193 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, I will tell you straight up, you are one of the problems and you should have to pay for supporting the build up to the fiscal mess.
Without doubt you supported the bush tax cuts. You also supported the invasion of Iraq. You most likely supported the pharmacy benefit package.
And you supported paying for none of it.
I would cap SS payments right where they are for the next 5 - 10 years along with making selected people on Medicare pay more.
I would do this because of spoiled rotten babies like yourself who supported taking a budget on its way to being balanced and allowing it to go back into deficit spending.
Now you get your rocks off sitting back and laughing at those that would have you pay more for the damage you have supported being done.
It must be great telling the children and grandchildren that you are so proud of that you would rather leave them idebted up to their necks than pay a dime of it yourself.
Why don't you give them a Christmas Card this year with the amount of debt that you are leaving them as a present? Because you are a spoiled rotten baby that knows in 20 years or so they will figure it out on their own.
Obama is in a pickle. He is playing chicken in a Volt and he doesn’t have any juice. If the Republicans walk because Obama will not offer cuts, then the cliff is what Obama wants and what his voters get. When the tax cuts expire, all of Obama's voter base will get a tax increase. I can hear the squeals and the gnashing of teeth already. Let's go people, call your congressman and tell them to get behind the bus and push this clown and his stupidity off the cliff. Maybe his arrogance will go with him.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4194 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Again if you were a Veteran you would know better. But you are obvioulsy not
I posted my proof, and you posted your usual Republican non-sense.

If you have something bring it. Your word is no better than Cocoa tap water. It sucks.

I have used the VA Hospital in Florida and here I use Maguire Veterans Hospital.

There used to be a Reverend in Cocoa named William (Bill) Marr at the Cocoa Baptist Church. He taught me to play poker and he married the wife and I. If you see him tell him I said hello.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4195 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Again your claims are not consistant with your postions
Everytime you talk that crap I think of how much weathier you must be than Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, George Soros, and member of the Patriot Millionaires club.

I would say that my views are pretty much in line with my position and yours are pretty much in line with your position, a tired old loser willing to leave his children and grandchildren burdened with debt rather that pay one dime more.

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4196 Nov 30, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
<quoted text>
Waaaa … you sound like a child that wants the toy held by another and feels that a tantrum is the way to achieve your goal. Wrong!
You have no idea of what I supported or not, and you certainly have no idea of what I have had to pay for.
As far as SS I would abolish this as well as Medicare. I don’t need them and I should not have to pay for them. Neither myself nor my children will ever need them. You talk about laughing at those who will have to pay more !!! I have to pay into services that I will never need nor use, to support ungrateful losers such as yourself.
Again you can claim what you like but your positions are clear. You are a dependent, believing that you have no control over your successes or failures and that its all luck and the rich keeping you down. No responsibility for your lack of education or motivation if life. You were just unlucky. Makes it easy to discount the “REAL HARD WORK THAT IT TAKES TO SUCCEED”.
You are the loser that I called you out on originally. If you were in the room I’m sure that we could all smell the failure on you.
Good, then join me as I call for the elimination of SS and medicare immediately, not tomorrow. I have no use for them either and have planned to live without them.

Only a loser would have have based their retirement on their being here.

A dependent? Hardly. Understanding and compassionate? YES!

Compassionate enough for the next generation to do away with SS and medicare so they can save for their own retirement. I am less than 10 years from retirement and I am willing not to collect a dime if they just do away with it, today not tomorrow.

And no, I am not a loser like you that has to lie about my position or my children.
Aphelion

Cocoa, FL

#4197 Nov 30, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
I posted my proof, and you posted your usual Republican non-sense.
If you have something bring it. Your word is no better than Cocoa tap water. It sucks.
I have used the VA Hospital in Florida and here I use Maguire Veterans Hospital.
There used to be a Reverend in Cocoa named William (Bill) Marr at the Cocoa Baptist Church. He taught me to play poker and he married the wife and I. If you see him tell him I said hello.
YAWN

Military veterans are waiting an average of 80 days to meet with a mental health care provider at the Spokane VA Medical Center, falling far short of the 14-day goal set by Veterans Affairs.

The problems appear to be grounded in recurring staff shortages at VA medical centers across the country at a time when there’s an influx of men and women seeking help upon returning from foreign wars.

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2012/apr/24/...

Since: Jul 12

Chester, VA

#4198 Nov 30, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Obama is in a pickle. He is playing chicken in a Volt and he doesn’t have any juice. If the Republicans walk because Obama will not offer cuts, then the cliff is what Obama wants and what his voters get. When the tax cuts expire, all of Obama's voter base will get a tax increase. I can hear the squeals and the gnashing of teeth already. Let's go people, call your congressman and tell them to get behind the bus and push this clown and his stupidity off the cliff. Maybe his arrogance will go with him.
The Republicans walked from a $4 cuts to $1 (4:1)taxes deal more than a year ago. During the primaries they bragged and flaunted that they would walk from a $10:1 package.

Obama is now offering them a $1:4 package and will most likely accept a $1:1 package. And if the REpublicans walk they are going to look like as*es and it will show in 2014.

They should have taken the 4:1 package and used that as the template for all future negotiations. People remember that they did not. Instead they made the nation suffer another two years without a deal when we could have had some certainty and growth.

I do hope the Republicans walk away again.

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