Immigration: Don't let bombings derai...

Immigration: Don't let bombings derail talks

There are 17 comments on the El Paso Times story from Apr 24, 2013, titled Immigration: Don't let bombings derail talks. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

As U.S. Rep. Beto O'Rourke, D-El Paso, said, "We have momentum. Now is not the time to stop." On Monday, Sen.

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Clue

Carlsbad, NM

#1 Apr 24, 2013
When you have immigrants entering the system and they wish evil on America,
It is clear they need a greater screening and supervision.

As our government develops an electronic encepholograph,
To warn everyone of evil terrorist brain waves,

Till then HALT all immigration,

Deport those law defying fence jumping social dependent Minions.

For immigrants who TRUELY WISH TO BE AMERICANS!
Screen them , supervise them just like we do patrolled prisoners, until all doubt is eliminated of any evil intent.
Mayela

Atlanta, GA

#3 Apr 24, 2013
If there was any failure, it may be by the FBI and intelligence to adequately track the older brother who had been flagged by a foreign government and travelled abroad, according to news reports.

Consider that 60 percent of the undocumented, or almost 6 million, are Mexican. How many of them have turned out to be bomb planting terrorists?

I can't think of a single case.

If we closed the door to all immigrants, then we would not have people like Carlos Arrendondo, originally from Costa Rica.

He was credited as being a hero for helping one of the bombing victims who had his legs critically injured in the blast get medical help. He rushed him to safety in a wheel chair.

Later, that same victim, Jeff Bauman Jr., according to news reports, helped give police a description of one of the Tsarnaev brothers after he woke up in the hospital.

"My first instinct was to just run across the street... and start helping out the people," Arredondo said according to news reports.

This is a man whose family also made the ultimate sacrifice for this country. His son was killed by a sniper in Iraq in 2004.

Arredondo, the father, first came to the U.S. as an undocumented immigrant but he eventually became a U.S. citizen.

Let us not forget that one of the victims was an immigrant. Lu Lingzi was a graduate student from China who was killed during the marathon bombing.

She came on a student visa. Her father said that she studied English day and night and worked hard to further her education in the U.S., according to ABC News Radio.

This is not a time when we should talk about shutting out immigrants. If we did this, then we would close the door on people like Arredondo and Lingzi.
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicanisima-latino-...

Excuses, excuses, excuses.
http://www.cswap.com/1997/Fools_Rush_In/cap/e...
Face it People

Weatherford, TX

#4 Apr 24, 2013
We cannot design our immigration laws based upon the fact that a few of them earn their keep, while 90% are receiving public assistance within two years after legalizing.

A few domestic criminals manage to elude the law, hide out, start families and live a clean life for several years before they are caught. Yet, when caught, they still owe a debt to society and must pay it with fines and jail time or other penalties.

Illegal aliens are never punished. At worst (pre Obama), they are sent home where most of them have better means to support themselves than they will ever have in the U.S. Raising corn in the front yard and chickens in the back yard is perfectly acceptable where they come from, and most have their free 40 acres of Government land called "ejidos" that they can farm with free Government implements. While here illegally, they turn these farms over to relatives, but most plan to return home and reclaim their ejidos after they get their social security, or premature disability, retirement from the U.S.

Without welfare,very few of them could survive at all in this country, and face it, people, that is the magnet that attracts most of these indolent social rejects before they trespass to the U.S.
In addition to a drain on our social services, most will be a burden upon our jails, our justice system, our hospitals and other institutions as long as they are here, legalized or not. A couple (of them) can earn up to 17,800 without filing a tax return, but they get an ITIN form the IRS and file only to get the $6,000 freebie doled out to them each tax season just for having kids and sending them to school. Check out the the laundry list of "tax credits" on Form 1040. These thousands are free gifts to low income aliens, legal or illegal. Of course, minimum earners getting tax credit money do not pay taxes, and that includes most illegal aliens. The only taxes most pay are on cigarettes, booze and other non-essentials.
hmmmmm

Albuquerque, NM

#5 Apr 24, 2013
the bombing and the bombers immigration status SHOULD derail and cause much closer scrutiny of CURRENT immigration laws and enforcement. Plus, bring to a screeching halt of the liberal push to make even the current laws and enforcement more worthless than they are now. DHS and their current override of any enforcement of existing laws should be disbanded and rebuilt to actually provide real security instead of the pandering to criminals and terrorists it does now.
Mayela

Atlanta, GA

#6 Apr 24, 2013
Contrary to popular mythology, the Pilgrims were no friends to the majority of local Indians. Just days before this alleged Thanksgiving communion, a company of Pilgrims led by Myles Standish actively sought the head of a local chief.

They deliberately caused a rivalry between two friendly Indians, putting one against the other in an attempt to obtain "better intelligence and make them both more diligent." An 11-foot-high wall was erected around the entire settlement for the purpose of keeping the Indians out.

Standish eventually got his bloody prize. He beheaded an Indian brave named Wituwamat and brought the head to Plymouth where it was displayed on a wooden spike for many years. Just a few years later, in about 1636, a force of colonists trapped some 700 Pequot Indian men, women, and children near the mouth of the Mystic River. English Captain John Mason attacked the Indian camp with "fire, sword, blunderbuss, and tomahawk." Only a handful escaped and few prisoners were taken, to the great delight of the Pilgrims:
To see them frying in the fire, and the streams of their blood quenching the same, and the stench was horrible; but the victory seemed a sweet sacrifice, and they gave praise thereof to God.

This event marked what was most likely the first actual Thanksgiving and the Pilgrims were pleased with the result. Any goodwill that may have existed was certainly now gone and by 1675 Massachusetts and the surrounding colonies were in a full-scale war with the great Indian chief of the Wampanoags, Metacomet.

Renamed "King Philip" by the White man, Metacomet watched the steady erosion of the lifestyle and culture of his people as European laws and values engulfed them. Forced into humiliating submission by the power of a distant king, Metacomet struck out in 1675 with raids on several isolated frontier towns. The expedient use of the so-called "Praying Indians," natives converted by the colonists to "Christianity," ultimately defeated the great Indian nation, just half a century after the arrival of the European historian Douglas Edward Leach describes the bitter end:

The ruthless executions, the cruel sentences ... were all aimed at the same goal—unchallenging white supremacy in southern New England. That the program succeeded is convincingly demonstrated by the almost complete docility of the local native ever since.
When Captain Benjamin Church tracked down and assassinated Metacomet, his body was quartered and parts were "left for the wolves." The great Indian chief’s hands were cut off and sent to Boston and his head went to Plymouth where it was set upon a pole on Thanksgiving Day, 1676. Metacomet’s nine-year-old son was destined for execution, the Puritan reasoning being that the offspring of the devil must pay for the sins of their father. He was instead shipped to the Caribbean to serve his life in slavery. In the midst of the Holocaust of the Red Man, Governor Dudley declared in 1704 a "General Thanksgiving" not to celebrate the brotherhood of man but for:

[God’s] infinite Goodness to extend His Favors ... In defeating and disappointing ... the Expeditions of the Enemy [Indians] against us, And the good Success given us against them, by delivering so many of them into our hands... Just two years later one could reap a $50 reward in Massachusetts for the scalp of an Indian.

Historian George F. Weston wrote that demand was great for ropemaker John Harrison, what with "the need for rigging for all the ships and a new rope every time an Indian was hanged." Bon Appetite!
http://daghettotymz.com/rkyvz/articles/thanks...

“Some people's blameless lives are to blame for a good deal.”
― Dorothy L. Sayers, Gaudy Night
Historian

Fort Worth, TX

#7 Apr 24, 2013
hmmmmm wrote:
the bombing and the bombers immigration status SHOULD derail and cause much closer scrutiny of CURRENT immigration laws and enforcement. Plus, bring to a screeching halt of the liberal push to make even the current laws and enforcement more worthless than they are now. DHS and their current override of any enforcement of existing laws should be disbanded and rebuilt to actually provide real security instead of the pandering to criminals and terrorists it does now.
It seems that almost everything this Administration does is designed to destroy the country. And now another amnesty for illegal aliens when we already owe 17 trillion, yet we will import 20 million of the third world's problems. I believe it is by design to make everyone dependent upon the Government.
The Government trail of destruction, Bush and Obama, includes Fast and Furious and Benghazi; and now imported Chechens with a centuries-old culture of violence and rebellion. I don't believe that the Administration is suffering from the ostrich syndrome--thinking that if they pretend they can't see something it does not exist. There is a method to this madness, and it does not bode well for the people.
Clue

Carlsbad, NM

#8 Apr 24, 2013
Face it People wrote:
We cannot design our immigration laws based upon the fact that a few of them earn their keep, while 90% are receiving public assistance within two years after legalizing.
A few domestic criminals manage to elude the law, hide out, start families and live a clean life for several years before they are caught. Yet, when caught, they still owe a debt to society and must pay it with fines and jail time or other penalties.
Illegal aliens are never punished. At worst (pre Obama), they are sent home where most of them have better means to support themselves than they will ever have in the U.S. Raising corn in the front yard and chickens in the back yard is perfectly acceptable where they come from, and most have their free 40 acres of Government land called "ejidos" that they can farm with free Government implements. While here illegally, they turn these farms over to relatives, but most plan to return home and reclaim their ejidos after they get their social security, or premature disability, retirement from the U.S.
Without welfare,very few of them could survive at all in this country, and face it, people, that is the magnet that attracts most of these indolent social rejects before they trespass to the U.S.
In addition to a drain on our social services, most will be a burden upon our jails, our justice system, our hospitals and other institutions as long as they are here, legalized or not. A couple (of them) can earn up to 17,800 without filing a tax return, but they get an ITIN form the IRS and file only to get the $6,000 freebie doled out to them each tax season just for having kids and sending them to school. Check out the the laundry list of "tax credits" on Form 1040. These thousands are free gifts to low income aliens, legal or illegal. Of course, minimum earners getting tax credit money do not pay taxes, and that includes most illegal aliens. The only taxes most pay are on cigarettes, booze and other non-essentials.
In el paso Texas, my wife was faced with a decision of lethal force use when an intruder entered posted and fenced property during the night time.

The local DA refused to prosecute, and the thug ends up released by DHS! WITH NO CONVICTIONS even though we wanted to prosecute!

The el paso cancer taught the thug there is no consequence to law breaking...

There is no shortage of American tragedy with these illegals committing violent crimes.

It escalates from poor law enforcement , jeopardizing citizens and our American way of life.
Sort them out

Carlsbad, NM

#9 Apr 24, 2013
Mayela wrote:
If there was any failure, it may be by the FBI and intelligence to adequately track the older brother who had been flagged by a foreign government and travelled abroad, according to news reports.
Consider that 60 percent of the undocumented, or almost 6 million, are Mexican. How many of them have turned out to be bomb planting terrorists?
I can't think of a single case.
If we closed the door to all immigrants, then we would not have people like Carlos Arrendondo, originally from Costa Rica.
He was credited as being a hero for helping one of the bombing victims who had his legs critically injured in the blast get medical help. He rushed him to safety in a wheel chair.
Later, that same victim, Jeff Bauman Jr., according to news reports, helped give police a description of one of the Tsarnaev brothers after he woke up in the hospital.
"My first instinct was to just run across the street... and start helping out the people," Arredondo said according to news reports.
This is a man whose family also made the ultimate sacrifice for this country. His son was killed by a sniper in Iraq in 2004.
Arredondo, the father, first came to the U.S. as an undocumented immigrant but he eventually became a U.S. citizen.
Let us not forget that one of the victims was an immigrant. Lu Lingzi was a graduate student from China who was killed during the marathon bombing.
She came on a student visa. Her father said that she studied English day and night and worked hard to further her education in the U.S., according to ABC News Radio.
This is not a time when we should talk about shutting out immigrants. If we did this, then we would close the door on people like Arredondo and Lingzi.
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicanisima-latino-...
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
http://www.cswap.com/1997/Fools_Rush_In/cap/e...
Accepting the bad with the good is not acceptable.

We need to remove the chaff from the wheat...

Your exception is countered by the thousands of drug thug dealing illegals polluting this country.
Before you mop

Carlsbad, NM

#10 Apr 24, 2013
Before you mop the floor,

You stop the leak!

SECURE THE BORDER,
Like the 38th parallel....
Jerome

El Paso, TX

#11 Apr 24, 2013
Sort them out wrote:
<quoted text>
Accepting the bad with the good is not acceptable.
We need to remove the chaff from the wheat...
Your exception is countered by the thousands of drug thug dealing illegals polluting this country.
What about the Jews, then? Are they the wheat or the chaff because there seem to be a whole lot of them about.
Momentum to hell

Carlsbad, NM

#12 Apr 24, 2013
Momentum is not an excuse to do anything!

What happened to reason , emotion has NOTHING to do with it!

Haste makes waste.....
Lori Dunn

El Paso, TX

#13 Apr 24, 2013
Momentum to hell wrote:
Momentum is not an excuse to do anything!
What happened to reason , emotion has NOTHING to do with it!
Haste makes waste.....
It's time for Congress to crap or get off the pot. If they stand up, that's fine because we have other issue to face. If they crap, we need to make sure they wipe good so as not to soil the hard working Americans on both sides of the debate.
Concerned Parent

El Paso, TX

#14 Apr 24, 2013
Jerome wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the Jews, then? Are they the wheat or the chaff because there seem to be a whole lot of them about.
You need to go back to africa and the jews to isreal and the timothy McVeighs back to europe. All non naturals to this contintent need to get the hell out of here. The squatters need to back and don't steal anything before you board the boats that brought you here.
Jerome

El Paso, TX

#15 Apr 24, 2013
Concerned Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
You need to go back to africa and the jews to isreal and the timothy McVeighs back to europe. All non naturals to this contintent need to get the hell out of here. The squatters need to back and don't steal anything before you board the boats that brought you here.
I don't mind the bigoted and racist parts of your post because we're all entitled to our opinions. But I don't see why you're so upset with those who squat because we all do that when our bowels move. Surely you're not trying to ban everyone who defecates in public because sometimes a man has to go and he can't hold it. We need to move this debate forward and not get caught up talking about bathroom habits.
Concerned Parent

El Paso, TX

#16 Apr 24, 2013
Jerome wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't mind the bigoted and racist parts of your post because we're all entitled to our opinions. But I don't see why you're so upset with those who squat because we all do that when our bowels move. Surely you're not trying to ban everyone who defecates in public because sometimes a man has to go and he can't hold it. We need to move this debate forward and not get caught up talking about bathroom habits.
ok they can fire missiles as long as they going back to where they came from. God doesn't like immigrants
Fix the leak

Hondo, NM

#18 Apr 26, 2013
Fix the leak,

Then mop the floor

Secure the border,
Then deal with the illegals.
Dean Wheeler

El Paso, TX

#19 Apr 26, 2013
Fix the leak wrote:
Fix the leak,
Then mop the floor
Secure the border,
Then deal with the illegals.
fix your mom's leak
douche her snatch
then deal with the STDs

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