Nationwide rallies target birth contr...

Nationwide rallies target birth control measure

There are 32 comments on the The Miami Herald story from Jun 8, 2012, titled Nationwide rallies target birth control measure. In it, The Miami Herald reports that:

Recent tension between healthcare advocates and predominantly Catholic institutions about preventive healthcare measures that include insurance coverage for contraceptives has again highlighted conflicts involving religious freedom.

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Since: Sep 08

Huntsville, AL

#21 Jun 10, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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Then why have any insurance.
Why should people have to pay for someone else's...
diabetes
HIV/AIDS
skin cancer
broken limb
...etc
Because we are a civilized nation.... But unlike other civilized nations health care in the US is driven by profit, not the public good. That's why we pay damn near twice as much for outcomes that aren't as good. That's why citizen who have insurance go bankrupt in this nation because of health care costs.
Gump

Enterprise, AL

#22 Jun 10, 2012
bappie wrote:
<quoted text>Well I can understand your mindset. Your views coming from someone who doesn't have the equipment to fck anyone's brains out because they lack the equipment, enuch. You're not funding a damn thing, idiot! Another Replusivecans lies. It's funded through health insurance companies for employee benefits! But when has the truth of anything ever mattered to lying sack of chits like you?
Insulting enough? If not, there's more where that came from!
Do you think insurance companies give away coverage?

Coverage is paid for by premiums from the insured. The amount of the premiums is determined by benefits provided, the amount of coverage & co-pay, number of employees covered and other risk factors.

In the private sector, anyone that buys a product or service is contributing to those premiums.

In the religious arena, anyone supporting the organization through donations is contributing to the cost of coverage.

No such thing as a free lunch.

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#23 Jun 11, 2012
Gump wrote:
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Do you think insurance companies give away coverage?
Coverage is paid for by premiums from the insured. The amount of the premiums is determined by benefits provided, the amount of coverage & co-pay, number of employees covered and other risk factors.
In the private sector, anyone that buys a product or service is contributing to those premiums.
In the religious arena, anyone supporting the organization through donations is contributing to the cost of coverage.
No such thing as a free lunch.
They contribute to the cost of lawyers defending their pedophile priests with the faithful's money. Wanna discuss that, hypocrite? They run businesses, they offer health insurance, employees (NOT YOU NOR THE REST OF THE LIARS!) WHO WORK FOR THEIR COMPANY PAY INTO THEIR INSURANCE! Therefore, they should not be deprived of benefits based on so-called religious objections. It's a sin against God to engage in sex before marriage period, it's a grave sin to perform sexual acts on CHILDREN! Now let's see what you sanctimonious hypocrites have to say about money being spent to defend, obstruct and deny the sexual abuse of children and weak women within the catholic church. Not to mention when the older churches are dug up and corpses of babies are found buried every where! I ain't falling for the old okey doke and if you do, that's your stupid business. You can't tell me a damn thing since you started off trying to defend bs. Not a penny of yours or any of you other lying arse Republicans is going towards paying for birth control. You all know what you don't want but don't have a damn solution to this countries social problems. You want to pontificate, obstruct, lie and keep your ignorant heads buried in the sand. Make me wanna puke with your hypocrisy.
X Obama supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#24 Jun 11, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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Then why have any insurance.
Why should people have to pay for someone else's...
diabetes
HIV/AIDS
skin cancer
broken limb
...etc
Yes, insurance should and does cover these things. But why should it cover birth control when it is meant to protect you from getting pregnant while you choose to do the only thing that can cause you to get pregnant? If you don't want to get pregnant then don't have sex, simple as that. If you don't want to get pregnant and still want to have sex, why is that or should that be my problem? Go to the local gas station and get a condom out of a machine in the bathroom for that matter, at least that way you would be responsible enough to try to protect yourself from an STD which the pill can't do.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#25 Jun 11, 2012
X Obama supporter wrote:
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Yes, insurance should and does cover these things. But why should it cover birth control when it is meant to protect you from getting pregnant while you choose to do the only thing that can cause you to get pregnant? If you don't want to get pregnant then don't have sex, simple as that. If you don't want to get pregnant and still want to have sex, why is that or should that be my problem? Go to the local gas station and get a condom out of a machine in the bathroom for that matter, at least that way you would be responsible enough to try to protect yourself from an STD which the pill can't do.
Lets be clear, I support the mandate that birth control should be covered. Obviously my sarcasm was once again lost on those on the political right. There are many activities that are covered by insurance that that could also be viewed as behavior based. Yet you only want to exempt one of them based upon some notion of religious freedom. You want to exempt preventing a birth but don't exempt the actual birth from what you pay in insurance. That is hypocrisy.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#26 Jun 11, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
<quoted text>Because we are a civilized nation.... But unlike other civilized nations health care in the US is driven by profit, not the public good. That's why we pay damn near twice as much for outcomes that aren't as good. That's why citizen who have insurance go bankrupt in this nation because of health care costs.
Please see my previous post. I should have made my sarcasm more pronounced.
X Obama supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#27 Jun 11, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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Lets be clear, I support the mandate that birth control should be covered. Obviously my sarcasm was once again lost on those on the political right. There are many activities that are covered by insurance that that could also be viewed as behavior based. Yet you only want to exempt one of them based upon some notion of religious freedom. You want to exempt preventing a birth but don't exempt the actual birth from what you pay in insurance. That is hypocrisy.
The fact is insurance is now and should remain a private industry. It is a big over reach of government to take it over and mandate how it does business. Government has never done anything better or cheaper than the private sector. EVER! If the insurance company you have doesn't cover what you want then change companies and let competition dictate what they cover. When they lose alot of insureds because they are not covering something people want they will start covering it, they must be allowed to compete. No matter what people are saying, health insurance is not a right that should be given to you just because you were born. Insurance is a business and the government needs to get OUT of private sector business'. If the government wants to come out with their own version of health insurance that is cheaper for people that can't afford it now then fine or even to cover the things other companies don't fine, but they should not dictate how the other companies must act. There is NO WAY the government can provide better cheaper insurance than private business. But one thing is for sure....whatever happens if the healthcare mandate is upheld it should include all government employees right up to the president and his family. If they mandate it for the rest of us then it should be good enough for them, after all they work for us!!!

Since: Sep 08

Huntsville, AL

#28 Jun 11, 2012
FYI Overhead at the 5 largest HMO's in 2011 = 19.9% Medicare overhead: 1.3%

Average pay for top 6 'Healthcare" CEO's =$12.7 MILLION = 347 times the Average income all occupations http://www.pnhp.org

Since: Sep 08

Huntsville, AL

#29 Jun 11, 2012
X Obama supporter wrote:
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The fact is insurance is now and should remain a private industry. It is a big over reach of government to take it over and mandate how it does business. Government has never done anything better or cheaper than the private sector. EVER! If the insurance company you have doesn't cover what you want then change companies and let competition dictate what they cover. When they lose alot of insureds because they are not covering something people want they will start covering it, they must be allowed to compete. No matter what people are saying, health insurance is not a right that should be given to you just because you were born. Insurance is a business and the government needs to get OUT of private sector business'. If the government wants to come out with their own version of health insurance that is cheaper for people that can't afford it now then fine or even to cover the things other companies don't fine, but they should not dictate how the other companies must act. There is NO WAY the government can provide better cheaper insurance than private business. But one thing is for sure....whatever happens if the healthcare mandate is upheld it should include all government employees right up to the president and his family. If they mandate it for the rest of us then it should be good enough for them, after all they work for us!!!
There isn't one damn good reason the US should being paying damn near DOUBLE the GDP on 'healthcare.'

There isn't one damn good reason that healthcare insurance should be tied to employment.

There isn't one damn good reason that healthcare insurance should be a profit making business except for optional services (1st class rooms, liposuction, face lifts, boob jobs ect)

There isn't one damn good reason the US should not be like the rest of the industrialized countries and treat health care as a right.

There isn't one damn good reason that there shouldn't be a Medicare Part E.... Medicare for EVERYONE who wants it.

There isn't one damn good reason that medical education is so rationed, so expensive, and such a monopoly.

"Government has never done anything better or cheaper than the private sector. EVER!" What utter BULLSH!T.
X Obama supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#30 Jun 11, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
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There isn't one damn good reason the US should being paying damn near DOUBLE the GDP on 'healthcare.'
There isn't one damn good reason that healthcare insurance should be tied to employment.
There isn't one damn good reason that healthcare insurance should be a profit making business except for optional services (1st class rooms, liposuction, face lifts, boob jobs ect)
There isn't one damn good reason the US should not be like the rest of the industrialized countries and treat health care as a right.
There isn't one damn good reason that there shouldn't be a Medicare Part E.... Medicare for EVERYONE who wants it.
There isn't one damn good reason that medical education is so rationed, so expensive, and such a monopoly.
"Government has never done anything better or cheaper than the private sector. EVER!" What utter BULLSH!T.
So what do you suppose is the one damn good reason Obama himself agreed to NOT let the US citizens to have access to cheaper medications as long as big pharma agreed to join the "Obamacare wagon train".

And as far as the one damn good reason we should not be like the rest of the industrialized countries is because WE ARE AMERICA we are not just like any other country and we damn sure shouldn't be. If you want to live in a country like that then go. America isn't and doesn't have to be and should not be like other countries. This country was started to be different and independent from "those other countries" and should remain so. GEESH I can't believe that question was even on your list.....why shouldn't we be like all the other countries....well freakin duh. Look at just what some of those countries have to put up with and live like to have that "free" healthcare. That sounds like a little kid asking why they can't do something because everybody else gets too...well guess what, just like your momma should have told you, YOU AREN'T EVERYBODY ELSE!!!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#31 Jun 12, 2012
carey529 wrote:
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we should listen to you?
i'm not catholic and i have a problem with funding other peoples birth control...on a purely secular level.
you want to fck your brains out?
fine with me...
but why should MY insurance go up to fund YOU fcking around?
your sexual activity is YOUR responsibility, not mine.
(this is where you spew a reply with all kinds of name calling and personal attacks...i'm familiar with your work.)
You aren't smart enough to be a secular humanist. Birth control, like Viagra, has other life saving uses.

Viagra can help prevent heart attacks, ironically.

Birth control can reduce the chances of cancer.
X Obama supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#32 Jun 12, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You aren't smart enough to be a secular humanist. Birth control, like Viagra, has other life saving uses.
Viagra can help prevent heart attacks, ironically.
Birth control can reduce the chances of cancer.
Actually birth control increases the chances of getting cancer, all kinds of cancer. Not sure where you found that it reduces cancer. And if viagra prevents heart attacks then why does it tell you if you have had one or at high risk for one either don't take it at all or make sure your doc says it's ok to take. You are suppose to make sure you check with your doctor to make sure you are healthy enough to even have sex prior to using that kind of medication and it says so on the commercials. Why would it matter if it would prevent a heart attack?

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