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Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term

There are 669 comments on the CBS News story from Nov 3, 2013, titled Romney: Obamacare fiasco "rotting" Obama's second term. In it, CBS News reports that:

Not so, says the Massachusetts program's architect, former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass., who challenged Mr. Obama for the presidency in 2012.

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Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#561 Dec 11, 2013
You have to be kidding, the Dutch Government collapsed in 2012. The Dutch aren't a democracy, but a Socialist Monarchy. Henchforth "King Alexander"

Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>So you are confirming that the US is not even a Successful Nation because it is dependent on the Welfare system which is a known fact and with a Federal Deficit to confirm it.
Dutch King Willem-Alexander declares the end of the welfare state
Tuesday 17 September 2013
King Willem-Alexander delivered a message to the Dutch people from the government in a nationally televised address: the welfare state of the 20th century is gone.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europ...
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#562 Dec 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yet i clearly have right here on these very pages!
who's the liar?
don't worry, incredulous, no one takes any of your posts seriously, as you never have anything of worth to say.
....and yet you continue to reply to them. You have provided only insults and immature whining and nothing more.

Mooches may like the idea of oscummacare but hardworking citizens do not. You have provided enough to let us know that you are part of the taking up space moocher population.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#563 Dec 11, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
Your claim was Japan did not have a Welfare System...... Here in the post below you are now demonstrating how off base your initial allegation was.
Who do you think reconstructed Japan and it's social and economic infrastructure after the Bombing of Hiroshima?
You've never been to Japan, don't know anyone from Japan and nothing about Japan.... you were talking to hear yourself say something not true or intelligent.
There is no civilized society in the world that doesn't have a system of financial support for their most vulnerable citizens.
<quoted text>
Societies have varying levels of support for the moochers. The United States is going waaaay over the top and must be wrangled in. Taxpayers have said enough already.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#564 Dec 11, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
You have to be kidding, the Dutch Government collapsed in 2012. The Dutch aren't a democracy, but a Socialist Monarchy. Henchforth "King Alexander"
<quoted text>
......and why did the govt collapse? That's right- ENORMOUS DEBT!
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#565 Dec 11, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>......and why did the govt collapse? That's right- ENORMOUS DEBT!
because they're not a producing economy and grew dependent on outside influences to stabilize their economy as service providers as are most socialist countries with no natural resources to convert into usable goods.

Most socialist countries in Europe are depleted of natural resources after centries of raping and exausting their lands
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#566 Dec 11, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Societies have varying levels of support for the moochers. The United States is going waaaay over the top and must be wrangled in. Taxpayers have said enough already.
This nonsense does in no way correlates to the issue being discussed.

The point was some of you don't know much about any of the elements of your own Government and should dare not to suggest you have any foundation to discuss another Government and policies.

Japan like all civilized societies in the World have aid programs and have had them longer than America has for it's citizens.

The only place you may find aid programs not in place are in banana republicans, undeveloped nations with large tribal federations and other third world nations commonly ruled by brutal dictators under military control who are looting that nation's treasury.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#567 Dec 11, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>....and yet you continue to reply to them. You have provided only insults and immature whining and nothing more.
Mooches may like the idea of oscummacare but hardworking citizens do not. You have provided enough to let us know that you are part of the taking up space moocher population.
So what are the suggestions for the 49 Hardworking citizens who could not afford to purchase Health Care insurance before Obamacare?

Which republicans will announce to those 49 Million their rights to health care insurance and protections in the market place are being rescinded to satisfy 11 million who bulk at purchasing insurance?

I think dropping 49 Million American Men, Women and Children from access to Health Care to please 11 Million Americans is a winning strategy.

60% don't like the law, and 47% of those want universal coverage, the Republicans can not carry the day with numbers like that...... no way.
No the govs problem

Auburn, MA

#568 Dec 11, 2013
Eric, as noble as the thought of fully insuring the public is, its not the job of the gov. Thats the point. Or we can just ignore the Constitution and all those pesky things like the Bill of Rights. Do I think everyone should have insurance? Sure. That would be great. It would also be great if everyone had an in ground pool, owned a home, had $2 million dollars... problem is, none of these things are supposed to be provided by the gov.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#569 Dec 11, 2013
I don't disagree, but this is mis-characterized if it's considered Government Insurance.

The primary discussion surrounding the ACA is the cost of the product from the private insurance companies.

it's simply now a regulated market and the constitution definitely grants congress control to regulate commerce along with apportioning taxes.
No the govs problem wrote:
Eric, as noble as the thought of fully insuring the public is, its not the job of the gov. Thats the point. Or we can just ignore the Constitution and all those pesky things like the Bill of Rights. Do I think everyone should have insurance? Sure. That would be great. It would also be great if everyone had an in ground pool, owned a home, had $2 million dollars... problem is, none of these things are supposed to be provided by the gov.
Read it

Auburn, MA

#570 Dec 11, 2013
http://www.telegram.com/article/20131211/NEWS...
BOSTON State officials have begun assembling what will be Gov. Deval L. Patrick's final state budget with expectations of a steady increase in tax revenues next year that could be undercut by rising costs for health care, education and social programs as well as uncertainty over federal funding.
According to a budget analysis being offered by state Secretary of Administration and Finance Glen Shor at pre-budget planning hearings, a growing allocation of state funds for health care subsidies and state employee insurance now account for 54 cents of every state dollar in the budget.---------
The above is directly from the article. If Obamacare is based on RomneyCare, how long until the country is spending 54 cents of every dollar taxed health care subsidies and gov employee insurance? It was bad plan when Romney came up with it and its bad now. I dunno where all these people keep getting their info that RomneyCare is working great in MA. Its not. Its killing us in taxes. Then again, this is MA where the state collected $944 million in cig taxes and only spent .4% of that on tobacco prevention. Tax and spend, tax and spend. Hows that excise tax working for ya? Like all things gov, the intention maybe pure, but it always ends up robbing us in the end. Too much, too big.
Read it

Auburn, MA

#571 Dec 11, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
I don't disagree, but this is mis-characterized if it's considered Government Insurance.
The primary discussion surrounding the ACA is the cost of the product from the private insurance companies.
it's simply now a regulated market and the constitution definitely grants congress control to regulate commerce along with apportioning taxes.
<quoted text>
I can see that side of the argument. Its just that I feel a much better approach would have been a bi-partisan, bit by bit approach instead of the ram it through, "Pass it to see whats in it" in the middle of the night while most of congress where gone on xmas break, swinging for the fences way it was passed. Not to mention all the broken promises of transparency and "If you like it... you cant keep it" that turned out to be unture. Lies? I dunno. Hard sell? Deceptive? Yes. You can understand why most of the country (by the polls) doesnt want/trust this bill. We need more time to piece mail something this important.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#572 Dec 11, 2013
No the govs problem wrote:
Eric, as noble as the thought of fully insuring the public is, its not the job of the gov. Thats the point. Or we can just ignore the Constitution and all those pesky things like the Bill of Rights. Do I think everyone should have insurance? Sure. That would be great. It would also be great if everyone had an in ground pool, owned a home, had $2 million dollars... problem is, none of these things are supposed to be provided by the gov.
yet we have already agreed as a society that we will no let people die on the steps of our hospitals..now we are working on a way to pay for better. the way we were doing it was the most inefficient way possible. no conservative could espouse that backward of a system.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#574 Dec 11, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
because they're not a producing economy and grew dependent on outside influences to stabilize their economy as service providers as are most socialist countries with no natural resources to convert into usable goods.
Most socialist countries in Europe are depleted of natural resources after centries of raping and exausting their lands
I agree they deplete their resources. Those resources are businesses and the people who serve big govt. by constantly providing money to those who don't work. I think the Dutch require employers to provide funds to the sick employees for up to two years!
Their health care system isn't much different from oscumma's and they too don't have enough physicians and dentists to meet the demand. Euthanasia is legal which does help get rid of the most expensive patients. We call them the 'death panels'. It's coming, if we let this monster impose this nightmare on us.
The debt is mostly caused by all the costly social welfare programs.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#575 Dec 11, 2013
Read it wrote:
<quoted text>I can see that side of the argument. Its just that I feel a much better approach would have been a bi-partisan, bit by bit approach instead of the ram it through, "Pass it to see whats in it" in the middle of the night while most of congress where gone on xmas break, swinging for the fences way it was passed. Not to mention all the broken promises of transparency and "If you like it... you cant keep it" that turned out to be unture. Lies? I dunno. Hard sell? Deceptive? Yes. You can understand why most of the country (by the polls) doesnt want/trust this bill. We need more time to piece mail something this important.
It should be defunded.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#576 Dec 11, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
I don't disagree, but this is mis-characterized if it's considered Government Insurance.
The primary discussion surrounding the ACA is the cost of the product from the private insurance companies.
it's simply now a regulated market and the constitution definitely grants congress control to regulate commerce along with apportioning taxes.
<quoted text>
It's private insurance in the Netherlands but it's still socialized medicine. All it means is the insurance industry doesn't need to be so secretative in it's alliance with the govt. It's all out in the open, this way.

This is a huge moneygrab for the insurance industry of paper pushers and bean counters.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#577 Dec 11, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
This nonsense does in no way correlates to the issue being discussed.
The point was some of you don't know much about any of the elements of your own Government and should dare not to suggest you have any foundation to discuss another Government and policies.
Japan like all civilized societies in the World have aid programs and have had them longer than America has for it's citizens.
The only place you may find aid programs not in place are in banana republicans, undeveloped nations with large tribal federations and other third world nations commonly ruled by brutal dictators under military control who are looting that nation's treasury.
It sounds like you and your alter ego are having difficulty with what Indy wrote. According to his research, Japan does not hand out welfare as generously as the United States. That was the point he was making but you and your alter ego can't grasp that concept yet. I don't think moochers should be entitled to full citizenship until after they get off the dole.
spOko

Oakland, CA

#578 Dec 11, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Societies have varying levels of support for the moochers. The United States is going waaaay over the top and must be wrangled in. Taxpayers have said enough already.
the facts do not support your claims only right-wing fringe groups are screaming and foaming about it!
The rest of us understand that during a recession people need help feeding their families
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#579 Dec 11, 2013
Read it wrote:
<quoted text>I can see that side of the argument. Its just that I feel a much better approach would have been a bi-partisan, bit by bit approach instead of the ram it through, "Pass it to see whats in it" in the middle of the night while most of congress where gone on xmas break, swinging for the fences way it was passed. Not to mention all the broken promises of transparency and "If you like it... you cant keep it" that turned out to be unture. Lies? I dunno. Hard sell? Deceptive? Yes. You can understand why most of the country (by the polls) doesnt want/trust this bill. We need more time to piece mail something this important.


Most of the Country wants Single Payer, Universal Coverage. This ACA is bi partisan in that it's the republican proposal which was adopted by the democrats instead of ramming through single payer.

60% want another type of reform, however 47% of that 60 wants Single Payer.

13% want to fall back to the system that was in place.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#580 Dec 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>still lying and still can't find that elusive country that succeeds without a welfare system?
why not? why lie?
seems you are stuck having to admit you were wrong or keep lying...
Not Lying and a country cannot succeed if it is dependent on welfare and you know it which European Countries have proven and US is going to prove it too and the Federal Deficit is proof and it is you that is stuck and having a problem to admit that you cant understand Economics but you understand Wealth Redistribution.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#581 Dec 11, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text> why just look at greece? how bout the very successful countries of europe that have larger welfare systems than the US and have less debt, better educated and healthier citizens and a better economy...
why did you leave those out?
outright dishonesty?
sorry, indy you just cannot prove your thesis, as the real world is in direct conflict with it...as usual with yoru thinking...
woodtick57 you really have proven how stupid you are just like those people in those European Countries that are dependent on the Welfare state that can't support the Welfare Society which is why Greece is broke and the US is heading down the same path and you have no Idea about the Real World either.

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