Georgia: Chambliss and Norquist Fight...

Georgia: Chambliss and Norquist Fight Over Tax Pledge

There are 226 comments on the Roll Call story from Nov 26, 2012, titled Georgia: Chambliss and Norquist Fight Over Tax Pledge. In it, Roll Call reports that:

Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss, who faces a likely primary challenge in 2014, said last week he could abandon the Grover Norquist-backed Taxpayer Protection Pledge he signed if it meant moving the country forward.

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Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#87 Nov 30, 2012
You're unfamiliar with the U.S. Constitution, thus unable to identify that it's the "United States of America", not the Confederation of America. That particular debate has long been settled.

The Federal Government was set up to ensure all Men's rights were guaranteed equally and, The Constitution, is the supreme law of the land, which makes all State Courts bound by the U.S Constitution.

There is no State's Sovereignty. All sovereignty on American lands was surrendered at, and by the ratification of the U.S Constitution.

All of this is clearly stated in the Constitution.

What or why is there always a problem with some of yo
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Nope. Don't believe a thing you said. The idea the TEA Party activists are socialists is patently absurd.
Social security and medicare didn't come along until decades after the income tax was instituted, and social security and medicare taxes were totally separate levies upon wage earners, apart, and in addition to, the income tax. Still are.
Check your paystub. Social security and medicare are listed apart from income tax, and likely take the biggest chunk, and they are not affected by any deductions one claims on their W-4.
And no, all the debt is not with social security and medicare. Our "leaders" in Washington like to dumb us down by lumping everything together as if we serfs don't understand the big issues, but the truth is, there should be no Federal level Department of Education, no Federal level EPA, or myriads of other Federal level departments that have no constitutional authority to exist. Federal government should not be funding arts, animal research, medical research, health care, alternative energy development, traditional energy development, etc. etc. etc.
Do I agree with Social Security and medicare? No, I do not. But I DO agree that government should keep it's promises. If government takes my money against my will for all my working life in exchange for the promise of minimal retirement, then they should live up to that promise. The alternative is for government to quit taking away that money so people can invest it for themselves.
The debt does not lie within a particular government dept, it lies within a way of thinking that allows government to be the main driver of everything that happens within our nation. Government is simply far too big for the working people to support..THAT is why we have debt.

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#88 Nov 30, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
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Maybe you weren't paying attention to his plan, he campaigned on his plan.
His plan is what afforded him a landslide victory over Romney, the Republicans straw man.
Congress is debating parts of his plan now.
Wake up Maan! Watch something other than the propaganda going around on Stooge Media
His plan should be easy to post then. What is the link to it?

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#89 Nov 30, 2012
anneutral wrote:
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the federal government provides less than 10% of the funding for public schools, more than 80% comes from state and local taxes.
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and when did Eisenhower get reclassified as a liberal?
Then you would agree that the Federal level Department of Education serves no useful purpose, and that the responsibility for education should be fully returned to the states.

Correct?

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#90 Nov 30, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
You're unfamiliar with the U.S. Constitution, thus unable to identify that it's the "United States of America", not the Confederation of America. That particular debate has long been settled.
The Federal Government was set up to ensure all Men's rights were guaranteed equally and, The Constitution, is the supreme law of the land, which makes all State Courts bound by the U.S Constitution.
There is no State's Sovereignty. All sovereignty on American lands was surrendered at, and by the ratification of the U.S Constitution.
All of this is clearly stated in the Constitution.
What or why is there always a problem with some of yo
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Eric, Eric, Eric.

Your extreme level of ignorance is again showing. If you are correct, why are there state lands, state parks, state monuments, and state governments? And same for county and local levels?

The U.S. Constitution is a document that limits the power of the Federal government, it does not in any way limit the power of states and local governments.

The local Sheriff remains the supreme law enforcement officer in any given jurisdiction.

The Federal government was NOT set up to "ensure all men's rights were guaranteed equally". The Federal government was set up to provide the blanket of national security best operated at a federal level. National expansion, military defense, admission to the union and granting statehood, interstate commerce, etc. All other powers are left to states and the people, and it DOES clearly state that right there in the Constitution.

The problem is not with those of us who still believe the U.S. Constitution is a viable document for governance. The problem lies with the likes of you, who interpret the U.S. Constitution to mean whatever feels good to you today, which has made you party to the usurpation of power which has been occuring at the Federal level since at least the beginning of the last century, and particularly since the 1960's.

Your elitist "sit down and shut up" attitude doesn't fly with me, buddy. Nor does it fly with any real American. It is you who is the danger to society.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#91 Nov 30, 2012
People mark my post spam and no one wants to talk about the real problem - the old aged entitlements. NO one is going to tell the truth about it in here and the politicians are trying to cut the entitlements, that's all they talk about, both parties, because that is where all the money is going.

There is NO point in talking to Americans. All every one of them cares about is greed for money, for government money, they all have super low IQs and they are not capable of being honest nor of thinking nor of ever having a real conversation about anything. It's a bunch of low IQ screaming babies who can't get honest, who just hide from cuts to SS and Medicare and hide from the debts in SS and Medicare. It's a hopeless case. I'm staying out of all of it, out of political chatboards from now on. It's a total waste of time and it's so abusive because people are so stupid that it is so negative and it's a total waste of time. We should end voting. It's ridiculous. Obama ran up $5 trillion of debt and they put him back in office. That says it all. That says Americans are so uninformed and unaware of what is even going on they should not have the right to vote. It's ridiculous. All you can do now is wait for the country to go under, get out and live elsewhere. There's nothing else anyone can do. I give up.

I would like to live in a country around adults, not screaming low IQ babies and in a country that does not have SS and Medicare and Medicaid and welfare, that does not have big debts from those things, where people don't only vote to live off of the government when they are young and when they are old. I really would like to move on from this stuff. I would like to live in a country where people don't ONLY care about buying stuff they do not need, wherre the entire culture is not just consumerism and being fat or obese and being dumb. There must be some place to live where people are interested in creative things and personal growth and learning, important things rather than just buying stuff and where people are a normal size, not all fat or obese and where they have normal level IQs. There has to be something better than this. This all borders on being third world, and soon enough it will be a third world country due to the low IQs of the people. I can't deal with it anymore. I can't be the ONLY adult, the ONLY intelligent one, the ONLY smart and sane person in the country. I'm done with this stuff, with Americans, with politics, all of it. It's a waste of time.

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#92 Nov 30, 2012
Eric, where is my list and link?

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#93 Nov 30, 2012
Pamela wrote:
People mark my post spam and no one wants to talk about the real problem - the old aged entitlements. NO one is going to tell the truth about it in here and the politicians are trying to cut the entitlements, that's all they talk about, both parties, because that is where all the money is going.
There is NO point in talking to Americans. All every one of them cares about is greed for money, for government money, they all have super low IQs and they are not capable of being honest nor of thinking nor of ever having a real conversation about anything. It's a bunch of low IQ screaming babies who can't get honest, who just hide from cuts to SS and Medicare and hide from the debts in SS and Medicare. It's a hopeless case. I'm staying out of all of it, out of political chatboards from now on. It's a total waste of time and it's so abusive because people are so stupid that it is so negative and it's a total waste of time. We should end voting. It's ridiculous. Obama ran up $5 trillion of debt and they put him back in office. That says it all. That says Americans are so uninformed and unaware of what is even going on they should not have the right to vote. It's ridiculous. All you can do now is wait for the country to go under, get out and live elsewhere. There's nothing else anyone can do. I give up.
I would like to live in a country around adults, not screaming low IQ babies and in a country that does not have SS and Medicare and Medicaid and welfare, that does not have big debts from those things, where people don't only vote to live off of the government when they are young and when they are old. I really would like to move on from this stuff. I would like to live in a country where people don't ONLY care about buying stuff they do not need, wherre the entire culture is not just consumerism and being fat or obese and being dumb. There must be some place to live where people are interested in creative things and personal growth and learning, important things rather than just buying stuff and where people are a normal size, not all fat or obese and where they have normal level IQs. There has to be something better than this. This all borders on being third world, and soon enough it will be a third world country due to the low IQs of the people. I can't deal with it anymore. I can't be the ONLY adult, the ONLY intelligent one, the ONLY smart and sane person in the country. I'm done with this stuff, with Americans, with politics, all of it. It's a waste of time.
Perhaps Lichtenstein?

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#94 Nov 30, 2012
Oh Eric.....
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#95 Nov 30, 2012
You're ill equipped with basic knowledgeable of American History and the functions of your State Government.

All State Lands are a result of an Act of Congress, the signing of the Morrill Act, by President Lincoln.

These lands were originally set aside to build Public Schools and Colleges. The States received 30,000 acres per representative they had in congress.

This is 8th Grade History, discussed in the class on the Civil War.

Clause 2 of Article VI of the U.S Constitution

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

New Mexico, and the other 37 States, are States, organized only by the Authority of the United States Congress, on Lands owned by the Citizens of the United States of America.

Second paragraph of America's Declaration of Independence to King George and the world of our notification of separation from England.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."

Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Eric, Eric, Eric.
Your extreme level of ignorance is again showing. If you are correct, why are there state lands, state parks, state monuments, and state governments? And same for county and local levels?
The U.S. Constitution is a document that limits the power of the Federal government, it does not in any way limit the power of states and local governments.
The local Sheriff remains the supreme law enforcement officer in any given jurisdiction.
The Federal government was NOT set up to "ensure all men's rights were guaranteed equally". The Federal government was set up to provide the blanket of national security best operated at a federal level. National expansion, military defense, admission to the union and granting statehood, interstate commerce, etc. All other powers are left to states and the people, and it DOES clearly state that right there in the Constitution.
The problem is not with those of us who still believe the U.S. Constitution is a viable document for governance. The problem lies with the likes of you, who interpret the U.S. Constitution to mean whatever feels good to you today, which has made you party to the usurpation of power which has been occuring at the Federal level since at least the beginning of the last century, and particularly since the 1960's.
Your elitist "sit down and shut up" attitude doesn't fly with me, buddy. Nor does it fly with any real American. It is you who is the danger to society.

Since: May 10

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#96 Nov 30, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
You're ill equipped with basic knowledgeable of American History and the functions of your State Government.
All State Lands are a result of an Act of Congress, the signing of the Morrill Act, by President Lincoln.
These lands were originally set aside to build Public Schools and Colleges. The States received 30,000 acres per representative they had in congress.
This is 8th Grade History, discussed in the class on the Civil War.
Clause 2 of Article VI of the U.S Constitution
"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."
New Mexico, and the other 37 States, are States, organized only by the Authority of the United States Congress, on Lands owned by the Citizens of the United States of America.
Second paragraph of America's Declaration of Independence to King George and the world of our notification of separation from England.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..."
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So.. You agree that state lands are entirely constitutional, as are state and local governments.

Thank you for admitting your error.

Apparently, until today, you hadn't realized that the Declaration of Independence was NOT part of the U.S. Constitution! You learned something!

That's a definite start!

We constitutional conservatives are more than happy to teach the left the error of their ways. You are on your way to freedom!
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#97 Nov 30, 2012
The Declaration of Independence is not part of the U.S Constitution, it is however, a legal document containing the fundamental principles of the United States of America.

That was our official introduction to the world powers. It was under it's authority we solicited France's help in throwing off the yoke of England.

The restriction on State Governments by the Constitution is that all State Governments be Republics, a representative of the citizens residing in the State and they and they Constitutions are bound by the provisions of the U.S Constitution.

Individual State Sovereignty does not exist in the United States of America
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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So.. You agree that state lands are entirely constitutional, as are state and local governments.
Thank you for admitting your error.
Apparently, until today, you hadn't realized that the Declaration of Independence was NOT part of the U.S. Constitution! You learned something!
That's a definite start!
We constitutional conservatives are more than happy to teach the left the error of their ways. You are on your way to freedom!
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#98 Nov 30, 2012
You live in New Mexico, New Mexico was more or less a throw in, in our purchase of Texas. Arizona, California and the entire Southwest Territory was purchased from Mexico for $3 Million of the $18 Million to settle all land claims with Mexico.

When the Constitution was ratified, those far west areas were not part of the United States, America had not yet, purchased Louisiana from the French.
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
So.. You agree that state lands are entirely constitutional, as are state and local governments.
Thank you for admitting your error.
Apparently, until today, you hadn't realized that the Declaration of Independence was NOT part of the U.S. Constitution! You learned something!
That's a definite start!
We constitutional conservatives are more than happy to teach the left the error of their ways. You are on your way to freedom!
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#99 Nov 30, 2012
The Confederate Insurgents of the South never though the Declaration of Independence was a legal document and also argued it was not part of the Constitution.

However, the Declaration was contrived by the same Congressional Delegation, in a Committee, by Representatives from the several states, and Adopted by the same Congress that authored the U.S Constitution. Each of them, or their elected replacements from their States, Signed the documents.
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
So.. You agree that state lands are entirely constitutional, as are state and local governments.
Thank you for admitting your error.
Apparently, until today, you hadn't realized that the Declaration of Independence was NOT part of the U.S. Constitution! You learned something!
That's a definite start!
We constitutional conservatives are more than happy to teach the left the error of their ways. You are on your way to freedom!

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#100 Nov 30, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you would agree that the Federal level Department of Education serves no useful purpose, and that the responsibility for education should be fully returned to the states.
Correct?
incorrect.
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although I'm not a fan of NCLB, standardized education is valid, and worthy of the attention of the federal government.
(otherwise there would be multiple states dropping science and math from their curriculum, and adding in creationism. which is ridiculous and cannot be allowed at public schools)
Mordred

London, UK

#101 Nov 30, 2012
Pamela wrote:
(1)...I'm staying out of all of it, out of political chatboards from now on.

(2) I would like to live in a country...that does not have SS and Medicare and Medicaid...when they are old. I really would like to move on from this stuff.

(3) I can't be the ONLY adult, the ONLY intelligent one, the ONLY smart and sane person in the country. I'm done with this stuff, with Americans, with politics, all of it. It's a waste of time.
(1) Do you really mean that you're not going to post on Topix anymore?? Promise??? I think you've been saying that for about four years now...

(2) How are you planning on supporting yourself in a country that does not have SS or Medicare or Medicaid? You're only in your mid-50s but haven't worked in several years and live off SSDI and probably Medicare by now. Your comments are total hypocritical bullcrap.

(3) No, you're not the only intelligent adult, or the only smart or sane person in the country. Only an insane narcissist would make such a comment, and that would be you (just like gramps).

You'll never be done with Topix because you love the "sound" of your own voice too much because no one wants to listen to you in real life. You're a pathetic, lonely, bitter, racist, poor snob, who looks down your nose at the world and fails to see your own weaknesses. Your claim that you have a higher than average IQ doesn't do you any good in the real world, so it isn't of any use to you.

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#102 Nov 30, 2012
anneutral wrote:
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incorrect.
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although I'm not a fan of NCLB, standardized education is valid, and worthy of the attention of the federal government.
(otherwise there would be multiple states dropping science and math from their curriculum, and adding in creationism. which is ridiculous and cannot be allowed at public schools)
Our nation existed just fine without nationalized education until Jimmy Carter created the Federal level Dept. of Education in the late 1970's.

And since it's inception, our educational system has only gotten worse. The Federal Department of Education has proven to be a failure.

Education was better when it was left to the states, and with the states is where education should remain.

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#103 Nov 30, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
And since it's inception, our educational system has only gotten worse.
"it's"inception, eh?

You are a product of an early educational system.

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#104 Nov 30, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
Education was better when it was left to the states, and with the states is where education should remain.
Gosh, lot of people remember back in the good old days when states had two kinds of education, one for whites and another for everyone else.

I guess it was better depending on what color you was...

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#105 Dec 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"it's"inception, eh?
You are a product of an early educational system.
It would appear it is you who's needs further education, so here ya' go!:

inception
Definition
in·cep·tion
[ in sépsh'n ]

NOUN
1.
beginning: the beginning of something ( formal )
2.
U.K. enrollment at university: enrollment as a university student, especially one studying for a master's degree or doctorate ( dated formal )
[ 15th century. Directly or via French < Latin inception- < incipere (see incipient)]

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#106 Dec 1, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Gosh, lot of people remember back in the good old days when states had two kinds of education, one for whites and another for everyone else.
I guess it was better depending on what color you was...
Your lack of historical knowledge is quite astounding. The Federal level Department of Education had absolutely nothing to do with integrating schools. However, it has had everything to do with indoctrinating kids into accepting socialism as the norm.

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