The 'death panel' bill lives

The 'death panel' bill lives

There are 31 comments on the Politico story from Jul 21, 2013, titled The 'death panel' bill lives. In it, Politico reports that:

The bow-tied, bike-riding Oregon liberal was the author of the 2009 bill aimed at encouraging doctors and physicians to talk to patients about what kind of care they want near the end of life.

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“Proud To Be An American”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#1 Jul 21, 2013
Unfortunately the moral decay of America includes disposal of the elderly. Hopefully all you out there with worthless offspring, friends and relatives will alter your will so not to include them. I've seen it time and time again, incompetent self-serving people who are not worth spit inheriting money and assets they simply did not deserve. So if you are in a no-win situation find someone deserving who'll respect you, your country and your estate before the buzzards throw you under the bus.
GeriatricMedicin eFails

Pottstown, PA

#2 Jul 21, 2013
Geriatric Medicine sucks and fails the patient. They stuff the elderly full of drugs and hope they played chemistry set right.

Part of the problem is with many stubborn patients especially the elderly because they are used to a system where you were indoctrinated into believing going to the doctor is the only way to fix a problem with drugs or surgery. But something simple like physical fitness and basic nutrition is ignored. So now you have seniors and many other in much worse shape than they have to be which strains their pocket book, insurance companies and body from "prescribed" treatment.

The end of life is ALOT messier than it has to be for seniors but part of it is their own fault from following the medical industry's indoctrination process. They won't take initiative to improve their own health.
They Live

Duarte, CA

#3 Jul 22, 2013


Important -Search "They Live moment of revelation" on Youtube if the above clip stops working.

If this was real what would you do? If there were really aliens that saw us as dumb expendable animals would you just sit back and take their abuse. Would it make any difference if "they" were a small group of people known as the illuminati?

The movie "They Live" made in the 1980's predicted everything that has happened and will probably come to pass in terms of citizen surveillance, drones, and psychological warfare in America. Watch the whole movie.

The same thing that happened to Nazi Germany when the citizenry embraced Nazism is happening to us. The populace was dumbed down and manipuated by the illuminati and their bought out politicians and media into being a prideful yet mindless war machine. When the illuminati were done with Germany they were left a defeated, bankrupt and villified nation. No one gives a crap today when the German people say they were lead astray by their bought out politicians. The world is simply glad that in the end they got what they deserved.

America is heading down the same path. We used to be the beacon of freedom to the world but now our country has become a modern day Nazi Germany war machine starting unprovoked wars across the globe. Many people now spit at us when we visit their countries like we are villains.

If and when we are weakened internally/financially to the point that we leave ourselves open to military attack by countries like Russia and China people will cheer our demise. We have become the bad guys because we presently ALLOW a psychopathic offshore banking cartel to run our country through bought off politicians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

That Three Stooges clip sums up the illuminatis mindset very well -our last few Presidents have acted just like dictators.

Occupy Wall Street was started by the illuminati to weaken America and take the focus off them when the global economic collapse occurs. It then got out of control because people started focusing in on the private Federal Reserve. Now the illuminati is trying to clamp down on this movement because citizens are focusing on them and they are extremely nervous.

Wallstreet and the banks are a symptom of a greater problem. There is nothing wrong with capitalism or corporations however what we now have is crony capitalism, not true capitalism. We must swarm Washington DC and the 12 Federal Reserve Bank locations in the U.S. with massive demonstrations if we are going to take our country back. Any Occupy Wallstreet movement outside of Washington DC or the 12 Federal Reserve Bank locations is a distraction designed to keep the movement fractionalized. We must occupy the main problem, not the symptoms.

Never take freedom for granted. If you love America defend it today by getting informed and taking this country back for Americans. We WILL prevail because Americans aren't going to put up with this shit any longer. The time is now.

This one show explains everything going on. It will change your life when you see how the mainstream media is manipulating us like cattle using the political Left Vs Right paradigm. Download the podcasts and listen.

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

This is our reality:

http://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-docum...

http://www.infowars.com/pentagon-launches-des...

Here's my take on it. Don't be afraid to speak out as we are all on some type of list by now:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

You have to understand that free speech on the net is about to be clamped down on in America -mainland China style. Get the sunglasses and spread the word before it's too late. Learn to spot/ignore government paid trolls.
Eugenics Is Your Friend

Duarte, CA

#4 Jul 22, 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/u...

You don't mind domestic spying yet? Wait till the government starts using your stollen private info to blackmail YOU into comitting crimes on their behalf. Welcome to modern day tyranny -high tech style.

Merger of state and corporation always = fascism/tyranny. Remember, we Americans will only recieve what we are willing put up with. They are testing us righ now. Let's push back.

Mainstream media leaves you depressed, dumbed down, empty and hopeless. What kind of crap will they focus on next to distract us from what's really important?

Truth based media gives you a heads up and broadens your horizons. It protects your family, health, and life savings. It's your decision...

http://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-docum...

Once you have a taste of truthful reporting you never go back to mainstream contrived corporate media.

These hosts bash Republicans and Democrats equally because they know both sides are illuminati bought puppets out to screw us.

Give alternative news sources a chance before you knock them. Download these shows to your MP3 players and listen on your way to work or whatever. All you need from mainstream media is breaking news and traffic/weather. You can listen to all these shows on your smart phone as well.

Exposes US Gov Corruption and Global Wide Illuminati Plots

http://rss.infowars.com/Alex.rss

(Skip around, you'll learn something useful)

Exposes Wallstreet and absolutely teaches you how to protect your money from the crooked banksters

http://www.philsgang.com/pgfreeshowarchives.a...

Exposes Secret/Ancient Knowledge Suppressed In Modern History Books and suppressed medical cures/prevention for diseases like cancer, etc. This guy is a medical doctor.

http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/

Often Exposes NASA Disinformation and Possible Offworld Intelligence -Search "Coast to Coast 2012 Shows" on Youtube and listen or use downloader -This is one way /Or get a CC Witness radio and record AM from your local affiliate. There is CIA disinfo injected from some of the guests but you learn how to identify it after a while by researching the guests' backgrounds. The hosts are simply great.

http://www.youtube.com/user/C2CVAULT...

Connects Bible Predictions/Prophecy to Modern Day Events -How Illuminati uses bible prophecy to plan false flag disasters eg. earthquakes, etc. There could also be some CIA brainwashing here as well from some of the guest lecturers but they give a heads up of what to look out for/predict down the road. The host does a good job of teaching about the bible and does not fear political correctness.

http://prophecyclub.com/TPC_Audio_Video.html

These radio hosts should do a show together or at least make guest appearences on each others shows. They all value truth and liberty in their own way.

Here's my take on it. Don't be afraid to speak out as we are all on some type of list by now:

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/immigration/T...

You have to understand that free speech on the net is about to be clamped down on in America.-mainland China style.
Eugenics Is Your Friend

Duarte, CA

#5 Jul 22, 2013
People assume Nazis were right wing conservatives. The media bashes Libertarians every day with this kind of stuff.

Not true, the Nazi party -National Socialist German Workers' Party- were radical leftist socialists engaging in eugenics like the corrupt criminals we have running the foreign banker owned federal government today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugeni...

They believed anyone that was not genetic perfection should be terminated. If you were old, had medical problems, or were a little slow at childhood you were not fit to live or get any medical help when needed. And yes,they had end of life death pannels for elderly and many others.

That sounds like Obamacare to me.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#6 Jul 22, 2013
GeriatricMedicineFails wrote:
Geriatric Medicine sucks and fails the patient. They stuff the elderly full of drugs and hope they played chemistry set right.
Part of the problem is with many stubborn patients especially the elderly because they are used to a system where you were indoctrinated into believing going to the doctor is the only way to fix a problem with drugs or surgery. But something simple like physical fitness and basic nutrition is ignored. So now you have seniors and many other in much worse shape than they have to be which strains their pocket book, insurance companies and body from "prescribed" treatment.
The end of life is ALOT messier than it has to be for seniors but part of it is their own fault from following the medical industry's indoctrination process. They won't take initiative to improve their own health.
There is truth to what you write. However getting older to the ages we see today was not the norm for mot of human history. Learning about the breakdown of the human body is an ongoing learning process. We still are trying to figure out how much is natural and how much has been induced by human technologies. The same technologies that has extended our lives.
WhenDoWeStopBein gHuman

Duarte, CA

#7 Jul 22, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> There is truth to what you write. However getting older to the ages we see today was not the norm for mot of human history. Learning about the breakdown of the human body is an ongoing learning process. We still are trying to figure out how much is natural and how much has been induced by human technologies. The same technologies that has extended our lives.
You are right. But where do we draw the line with technology. A bionic arm, growing a new kidney, merging humans with animal traits, a CPU to giver you unlimited memory. We need to dial it back a little as a species and think it through.
WhenDoWeStopBein gHuman

Duarte, CA

#8 Jul 22, 2013
give -a spellcheck brain implant...lol.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#9 Jul 22, 2013
WhenDoWeStopBeingHuman wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right. But where do we draw the line with technology. A bionic arm, growing a new kidney, merging humans with animal traits, a CPU to giver you unlimited memory. We need to dial it back a little as a species and think it through.
That is the problem. Humans don't stop once they initiate things. Most times it can lead to horrific results. Technology used for health, comfort and within human tolerances of what we know is normal is as far as we should go. Somehow a science fiction ending seems more plausible.
What Is Human

Duarte, CA

#10 Jul 22, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> That is the problem. Humans don't stop once they initiate things. Most times it can lead to horrific results. Technology used for health, comfort and within human tolerances of what we know is normal is as far as we should go. Somehow a science fiction ending seems more plausible.
We are already in a science fiction reality. These "ellite" think they are a breakaway civilization to be merged with AI. As for the rest of us they see us as neandarthals to be exterminated down the line.

Americans are Neanderthal Terminators however. We just keep coming, they'll find out.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#11 Jul 22, 2013
It is known as the,'New Kings's Tax', with a currency devaluation everyone but the BigGovernment Pays.
When the 'hunger' comes, eugenics will be justified by the Elite.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#13 Jul 22, 2013
JohnInLa wrote:
Unfortunately the moral decay of America includes disposal of the elderly. Hopefully all you out there with worthless offspring, friends and relatives will alter your will so not to include them. I've seen it time and time again, incompetent self-serving people who are not worth spit inheriting money and assets they simply did not deserve. So if you are in a no-win situation find someone deserving who'll respect you, your country and your estate before the buzzards throw you under the bus.
Liberals know that the offspring of the Greatest Generation have not been indoctrinated to liberal schools or low information voter status. They want to eliminate this segment of society as fast as they can. They will then control the mindless children that can't operate in the real world with out tweeting every time they fart.
conservative crapola

Breinigsville, PA

#14 Jul 22, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
t-dead drivel.
Your Ex

United States

#15 Jul 22, 2013
I'm glad mom had the foresight to set up a POA situation before she went down the rabbit hole mentally. We were able to execute her end of life wishes as she wanted, not hanging around to be stuffed full of pharmaceuticals & starting blankly at Food Network, needing to be changed & bathed by us.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#17 Jul 22, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Liberals know that the offspring of the Greatest Generation have not been indoctrinated to liberal schools or low information voter status. They want to eliminate this segment of society as fast as they can. They will then control the mindless children that can't operate in the real world with out tweeting every time they fart.
The greatest generation's flaw was that many experienced vast poverty themselves. They let this system in without controls. The baby boomers were actually the end of the real education but were the first mass comfort generation. Unfortunately, there has been no real economic growth since the last half of the boomers were in school. Experiencing subjects that were mandatory that all of a sudden became an option was fun at the time. But ended up be detrimental to our personal growth. People need to be well rounded and not just street wise. To best understand the ways of not just the neighborhoods or communities, but the cities and locals areas, the regions, the nation and the world.
GeriatricMedicin eFails

Pottstown, PA

#19 Jul 22, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> There is truth to what you write. However getting older to the ages we see today was not the norm for mot of human history. Learning about the breakdown of the human body is an ongoing learning process. We still are trying to figure out how much is natural and how much has been induced by human technologies. The same technologies that has extended our lives.
Although the life span has increased longer than ever so has fitness and nutrition knowledge. Especially fitness knowledge-you don't lose you WILL lose it. The so called medical community should know this. Granted there are seniors out there so messed up partly from the medical industry that the only thing you can do for them is surgery and drugs but there many others all you have to do is have them walk, do some very mild exercise and some vitamins.

Just a couple of common ailments that seniors seem to flaunt with pride is high blood pressure some of which can be eliminated with mild AND regular exercise. Many seniors have problems with swelling and fluid in certain areas. As someone who successfully ELIMINATED swelling after MAJOR leg surgery with physical therapy and fitness program with NO prescription anti inflammatories why do the geriatric doctor prescribe industrial strength diuretics in seniors with lower leg swelling with already no or little muscle tone in the leg. You need muscle tone to help the body move fluids around, it's not just the heart. In the meantime the same senior has been hospitalized for dehydration, frequently complains of dizziness or feeling faint. Now they don't even want to take the minimal walks they were taking, then their blood pressure starts rising again, then back to the "doctors" for strong bp meds. The senior gets stuck in a vicious cycle of pharmaceutical medicine.

I always tell seniors when trying to make the case that exercise might help them to look at what happens to a younger person that doesn't exercise. Look at the obesity rates. Is an older adult somehow immune to the problems of being out of shape or inactive. The doctors and should realize this. You don't lose it you lose it, it's that simple.
Gravediggers

Boynton Beach, FL

#20 Jul 22, 2013
Yep, wonder if Ariel Sharon told his doctors that he wanted to be on life support for the past 7 years ---since January 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_sharon

death panels for only the masses - those with no power

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#21 Jul 22, 2013
JohnInLaLaLand wrote:
Unfortunately the moral decay of America includes disposal of the elderly. Hopefully all you out there with worthless offspring, friends and relatives will alter your will so not to include them. I've seen it time and time again, incompetent self-serving people who are not worth spit inheriting money and assets they simply did not deserve. So if you are in a no-win situation find someone deserving who'll respect you, your country and your estate before the buzzards throw you under the bus.
When it comes to personal choice, the GOP/TP are opposed to it.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#22 Jul 22, 2013
the supreme court is already a death panel....they decided recently that they would approve obamacare, which will kill most small to medium sized businesses.

libs/dems don't know much about running a biz and having to take in more than they spend, they mostly work in govt jobs, unions, academia, or receive welfare.
Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Richmond, IN

#23 Jul 22, 2013
'Death panels' have existed for years. They're called insurance companies.

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