Border strategy could halt immigration agreement

Mar 24, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Examiner.com

A bipartisan committee of senators working on an immigration bill could fail its time-line goal if Republicans insist on a hard-line policy that includes sealing the border before any possibility of legalizing about 11 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S. The group composed by four Democrats and four Republicans, is set to unveil a draft ... (more)

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Dee Dee Dee

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What are the pro-amnesty people afraid of? Why do they want drugs and criminals to be allowed to cross illegally with little to no chance of being aprehended? What is the benifit to them or who is actually behind their agenda? We already know that amnesty will draw 10 more illegal aliens for every one who is granted amnesty. History has proven this to be true.
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They know they will vote for liberals
They have pills for your menopause condition. Take them, along with your psychotropic meds.
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Is that why you are so scared of me???
No, you're afraid of your schizoid self. That's why you whine nothing but BS. Big talk, no action. So, when are you gonna show up for a real fight? I'm waiting.....
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And the debate begins. Who in there right mind would allow 11-20 million illegals to stay in the U.S. and not seal our border. My God.. There is no amnesty without border security. That means any, I mean any illegal jumping in get's deported immediately upon arrival. No more immigration Attorneys standing around with their hands out while tax-payers fund these invader's. If they don't get it right this time, I give up. The Country is lost.
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. 6 Joseph died, and all his brothers and all that generation. 7 But the sons of Israel were fruitful and [d]increased greatly, and multiplied, and became exceedingly [e]mighty, so that the land was filled with them.

8 Now a new king arose over Egypt, who did not know Joseph. 9 He said to his people,ďBehold, the people of the sons of Israel are [f]more and mightier than we. 10 Come, let us deal wisely with them, or else they will multiply and [g]in the event of war, they will also join themselves to those who hate us, and fight against us and [h]depart from the land.Ē 11 So they appointed taskmasters over them to afflict them with [i]hard labor. And they built for Pharaoh storage cities, Pithom and Raamses. 12 But the more they afflicted them, the more they multiplied and the more they [j]spread out, so that they were in dread of the sons of Israel. 13 The Egyptians compelled the sons of Israel to labor rigorously; 14 and they made their lives bitter with hard labor in mortar and bricks and at all kinds of labor in the field, all their labors which they rigorously [k]imposed on them.... Y'all are afraid of God will!
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Didn't they do this with Cuba in the past? Didn't Cuba emptied their prisons and sent them to America? Wouldn't history repeat itself?

Maybe increasing fines and making businesses not want to hire illegals would help this situation. No work, no illegals. Then just concentrate on the illegals coming on with drugs and to support gang activity. Now it sounds extreme and radical, but any illegal coming into the US with drugs/weapons automatically gets sentence to death? Would this bring a halt to something that destroys our communities? Does the end justify the means?
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Didn't they do this with Cuba in the past? Didn't Cuba emptied their prisons and sent them to America? Wouldn't history repeat itself?
Maybe increasing fines and making businesses not want to hire illegals would help this situation. No work, no illegals. Then just concentrate on the illegals coming on with drugs and to support gang activity. Now it sounds extreme and radical, but any illegal coming into the US with drugs/weapons automatically gets sentence to death? Would this bring a halt to something that destroys our communities? Does the end justify the means?
funny you!!! US government smuggles weapons to Mexico .... Should we put them to death too?
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Mar 25, 2013
 
Native Legislator Ponka-We Victors Turns Tables at Immigration Hearing in Kansas

Ponka-We Victors (D-Wichita), a member of the Ponca Tribe of Oklahoma and the Tohono O'odham Nation, and the only American Indian in the Kansas State Legislature, offered her reading of the situation to Kris Kobach, Kansas' Secretary of State.

"I think itís funny Mr. Kobach, because when you mention illegal immigrant, I think of all of you," Victors said, prompting cheers from the gallery,

Read more at http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/201...

"I think itís funny Mr. Kobach, because when you mention illegal immigrant, I think of all of you,"

Again:
"I think itís funny Mr. Kobach, because when you mention illegal immigrant, I think of all of you,"

And Again:
"I think itís funny Mr. Kobach, because when you mention illegal immigrant, I think of all of you,"

TLOL!!!
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They never had any intention to close the borders it is an out right lie they will be left wide-open after this so called amnesty is passed within 20 years there be an extra hundred million people in this country we cannot sustain this, NO AMNESTY, ZERO. Don't let the Democrats or these four Republicans fool you. McCain and Graham are BIG amnesty backers they know the border will not be closed, they are playing games again. The Democrats are just plum crazy.
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Dee Dee Dee wrote:
What are the pro-amnesty people afraid of? Why do they want drugs and criminals to be allowed to cross illegally with little to no chance of being aprehended? What is the benifit to them or who is actually behind their agenda? We already know that amnesty will draw 10 more illegal aliens for every one who is granted amnesty. History has proven this to be true.
The "pro-amnesty" people that you speak of, are people like Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, the Bush familiy, etc., and their tenant financial benefactors like Walmart, Dole, Anhauser Busch, etc. People like Mitt, Ryan, Dubya are insulated by their wealth from drugs and crime that we, ordinary people, might face. They (and their benefactors) just simply don't care if 100 criminals enter the country illegally so long as at least one or two cheap labor enters to work for them or their corporations. Corporations like Walmart, etc., don't care if they are caught by the Obama Administration has several times now, they simply pay a small fine and hire the next ones in line.
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<quoted text> funny you!!! US government smuggles weapons to Mexico .... Should we put them to death too?
Your speaking of the fast and furious scandal, if that's what Mexico wanted, sure I'd have no problem with it
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Did you forget about tg\he moron in chief oslama the economy slayer and his cronies like hillary and reid???
Nope, cuz their motivations are completely different.
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Didn't they do this with Cuba in the past? Didn't Cuba emptied their prisons and sent them to America? Wouldn't history repeat itself?
Maybe increasing fines and making businesses not want to hire illegals would help this situation. No work, no illegals. Then just concentrate on the illegals coming on with drugs and to support gang activity. Now it sounds extreme and radical, but any illegal coming into the US with drugs/weapons automatically gets sentence to death? Would this bring a halt to something that destroys our communities? Does the end justify the means?
Mexico followed the lead of Cuba and has been sending their criminals and other "unwanted" people her ever since the Mariel Boat Lift of 1980. The problem is that Mexico keeps the rich criminals and sends us the poor and ignorant criminals.
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Nope, cuz their motivations are completely different.
They are? Please explain in what way?
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Yes they only want the cheap labor AND the illegal votes..........ROTFLMAO
Incorrect on the first, semi-correct on the second. They (the left) speak and act "soft" on illegal immigration for the basic purpose of catering to the Hispanic vote, and whether you like it or not this strategy works. Some 71% of the Hispanic vote went for Obama in the last election. The other purpose is pragmatism. To those with common sense, we know mass deportations are not going to happen, no democratic country can seal its borders, so the only realistic option is a "path to citizenship". The rub is how can it be implemented such that is maximizes the return to us, and how can it minimizes it to the illegal aliens.
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Con Todo wrote:
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Incorrect on the first, semi-correct on the second. They (the left) speak and act "soft" on illegal immigration for the basic purpose of catering to the Hispanic vote, and whether you like it or not this strategy works. Some 71% of the Hispanic vote went for Obama in the last election. The other purpose is pragmatism. To those with common sense, we know mass deportations are not going to happen, no democratic country can seal its borders, so the only realistic option is a "path to citizenship". The rub is how can it be implemented such that is maximizes the return to us, and how can it minimizes it to the illegal aliens.
I agree with some of your points, but I've realized as I've listened to the hearing's and watched the in fighting, nothing will really come to fruition simply because you've missed the most important factor in all of this. The uneducated Mexican and the chain-migrated illegals will never qualify for the path. They don't want to learn English, don't want to assimilate, have zero desire or aren't educated enough to pass any of the testing required. The path is to stay hidden in the shadow's, work under the table, and remit to Mexico their money.
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<quoted text>I agree with some of your points, but I've realized as I've listened to the hearing's and watched the in fighting, nothing will really come to fruition simply because you've missed the most important factor in all of this. The uneducated Mexican and the chain-migrated illegals will never qualify for the path. They don't want to learn English, don't want to assimilate, have zero desire or aren't educated enough to pass any of the testing required. The path is to stay hidden in the shadow's, work under the table, and remit to Mexico their money.
You are absolutely correct and these politians know this.
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ronnie wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with some of your points, but I've realized as I've listened to the hearing's and watched the in fighting, nothing will really come to fruition simply because you've missed the most important factor in all of this. The uneducated Mexican and the chain-migrated illegals will never qualify for the path. They don't want to learn English, don't want to assimilate, have zero desire or aren't educated enough to pass any of the testing required. The path is to stay hidden in the shadow's, work under the table, and remit to Mexico their money.
look at your big brain...!!!! Today you were complaining that they "uneducated Mexican"are stealing jobs from American workers....so let me understand . They don't speak English, they are uneducated , they don't drive cause they are unable to obtain a driver license YET they steal your job....bubba, guess what!?!?! You don't deserve a job ! Try government welfare ! It's funny how stupid people are racist too!... You nazi filth you!!!!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

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Incorrect on the first, semi-correct on the second. They (the left) speak and act "soft" on illegal immigration for the basic purpose of catering to the Hispanic vote, and whether you like it or not this strategy works. Some 71% of the Hispanic vote went for Obama in the last election. The other purpose is pragmatism. To those with common sense, we know mass deportations are not going to happen, no democratic country can seal its borders, so the only realistic option is a "path to citizenship". The rub is how can it be implemented such that is maximizes the return to us, and how can it minimizes it to the illegal aliens.
"This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this."

-- Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy on the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986

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look at your big brain...!!!! Today you were complaining that they "uneducated Mexican"are stealing jobs from American workers....so let me understand . They don't speak English, they are uneducated , they don't drive cause they are unable to obtain a driver license YET they steal your job....bubba, guess what!?!?! You don't deserve a job ! Try government welfare ! It's funny how stupid people are racist too!... You nazi filth you!!!!
Education Gap


THE REALITIES OF EDUCATION IN LATIN AMERICA

Without a high-level education, Latin American children will continue to lack the skills necessary for entering the workforce and participating in the increasingly competitive global economy.

a.. 50 million people in Latin America cannot read or write.

b.. Latin Americans receive an average of six years of schooling, compared
to nine-and-a-half years in the OECD (Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development) countries.

c.. Nearly one-third of children in primary school in Latin America repeat a grade. The additional cost to the region's education systems has been estimated at $4 billion per year.

d.. Brazil, Chile, Mexico and Peru rank behind Uganda, Zambia, Botswana and Burundi in the quality of their math and science education.

e.. In Mexico, only 13% of adults receive a high school diploma versus 87% of American adults.

f.. Over 50% of Mexican and Brazilian 15-year old youth are functionally illiterate and thus unable to compete in today's economy.

CONTRIBUTORS TO LATIN AMERICA'S EDUCATION CRISIS

1. HIGH DROP-OUT RATE THROUGHOUT LATIN AMERICA

The heart of the problem is the drop-out rate -- children living in poverty are not staying in school.

a.. 92% of Latin American children begin primary school, but only 32% continue on to secondary school (the U.S. equivalant of middle/high school). Even fewer ultimately graduate.

b.. Approximately 40 million children and adolescents in Latin America drop out of school to live or work on the streets each year.

c.. It is estimated that 95% of children have access to school in Brazil, but only 59% of them finish the eighth grade.

d.. It is well established that school dropouts have worse outcomes, including in terms of mental health status, than do those youth who stay in school.

2. INEQUALITY IN LATIN AMERICA

Unequal societies are less efficient at converting growth into poverty reduction. In Latin America, the education gap mirrors the income gap between rich and poor.

a.. Levels of inequality in Latin America are the highest in the world -- at least one in three households and two in five people live below the poverty line.
a.. 220 million Latin Americans (about 44% of the region's population) live on less than $2 per day. Over half of them are children.
a.. In Brazil, children in the bottom income quartile complete an average of four years of school versus over ten years completed by children in the top income quartile.

3. LATIN AMERICA'S EDUCATION SPENDING

Despite increases in past years, spending on elementary education is still relatively low throughout the region.

a.. Per capita spending on primary education in Latin America still averages only 15% of U.S. levels.
a.. Latin American universities, which serve less than 10% of the
population, receive a disproportionate share of education dollars compared to primary education.(In Brazil, public universities have only 2% of all pupils, but receive 25% of all federal education funds.

Source: CIA

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