Senators turn up pressure on Obama to approve Keystone pipeline

Nov 16, 2012 Full story: Reuters 23

A bipartisan group of senators on Friday urged President Barack Obama to quickly issue a permit for the northern leg of the Keystone XL pipeline, a project environmental groups have vowed to keep fighting.

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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#2 Nov 16, 2012
Why?

Just so oil companies use taxpayer infrastructure to export the stuff?

If some would stay here I might have a different opinion.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#3 Nov 16, 2012
Comic Relief, that is not funny.
La Santa Muerte

Hyannis, MA

#4 Nov 16, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
Why?
Just so oil companies use taxpayer infrastructure to export the stuff?
If some would stay here I might have a different opinion.
Who told you there wouldn't?
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#5 Nov 16, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Who told you there wouldn't?
Facts reveal the important truth that the Keystone XL pipeline would not in fact enhance U.S. energy security at all. The construction of Keystone XL will not lessen U.S. dependence on foreign oil—rather, it will feed the growing trend of exporting refined products out of the United States, thereby doing nothing to enhance energy security or to stabilize oil prices or gasoline prices at the pump. If completed, it will successfully achieve a long-term objective of Canadian tar sands producers—to gain access to export markets.

The oil market is fundamentally global. The only way to truly reduce our dependence on foreign oil is to reduce our dependence on all oil.

This report looks at data from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), corporate disclosures to investors, and oil market analyst reports. This information should form the basis of the Obama Administration's deliberations on the Keystone XL pipeline. An honest assessment of the Keystone XL project will show that the oil will be exported and will not benefit U.S. consumers or any reasonable definition of the nation's interest.
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#6 Nov 16, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
Why?
Just so oil companies use taxpayer infrastructure to export the stuff?
If some would stay here I might have a different opinion.
To what taxpayer infrastructure are you referring? The Keystone is private capital investment. The only thing close to "infrastructure" is the right-of-way corridor, and the states, counties or towns where it crosses will derive tax revenues from that corridor.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#7 Nov 16, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Who told you there wouldn't?
"We are here today because it's time to decide. President Obama and his administration made a decision not to decide," Ed Whitfield, R-Ky., said in debate on the House floor.

"We have waited over 40 months to get approval of this pipeline," he said. "The American people need this pipeline. America needs this additional oil."

And Rep. Lee Terry, R-Neb., said, "keep in mind the president of the United States killed the Keystone pipeline. We think that was kowtowing to the environmental extremists."

"What do we get out of the keystone pipeline?" Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., asked. "Nothing."

Markey would require that no products refined from Keystone oil could be sold anywhere outside the U.S.

Otherwise, Markey argues, "there is no guarantee that even a drop of the tar sands oil and fuel will stay here in this country."

Republicans, however, say that shows no knowledge of how the market works.

"There's stuff that's left over after the process that we can't even use in the United States that's currently exported today, for decades," Terry said. "We actually don't use all the diesel and we trade with Europe to bring in more gasoline."

Among several other amendments intended to make the project impossible is one that would require TransCanada to use only steel produced in the U.S. for its pipes.

"I was a little confused when I talked to my friends in the U.S. steel industry and they told me they weren't making any of the steel for this project," Rep. Mike Doyle, D-Pa,., said.

Republicans noted that the company, encouraged by comments from the Obama administration a couple of years ago, has already bought a lot of the materials, not all of which come from the U.S.

Republican Ed Whitfield notes the company plans to spend $7 billion and that "in order to keep costs down, it's already acquired all of the steel and iron that's going to be used in this pipeline."

That makes it impossible for the company to promise to use all American steel, but Whitfield says the company is using American companies and materials for all the preparations.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#8 Nov 16, 2012
Far Away wrote:
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To what taxpayer infrastructure are you referring? The Keystone is private capital investment. The only thing close to "infrastructure" is the right-of-way corridor, and the states, counties or towns where it crosses will derive tax revenues from that corridor.


Yes, the "right of way" is what I was referring to.
Far Away

Anchorage, AK

#9 Nov 16, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Yes, the "right of way" is what I was referring to.
Well, the right-of-way that is now vacant would be deriving revenue from the pipeline to government(s). The question then becomes, do you think you would call it "using" taxpayer infrastructure as if the pipeline is a parasite?

I know a little about pipelines from having one traversing this state from north to south and, trust me, it pays a crap-load of property taxes to the state and municipalities where it crosses.
Lance Winslow

San Jose, CA

#10 Nov 16, 2012
Far Away wrote:
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Well, the right-of-way that is now vacant would be deriving revenue from the pipeline to government(s). The question then becomes, do you think you would call it "using" taxpayer infrastructure as if the pipeline is a parasite?
I know a little about pipelines from having one traversing this state from north to south and, trust me, it pays a crap-load of property taxes to the state and municipalities where it crosses.
"Vacant"? Vacant states and municipalities only in a vacant mind.

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#11 Nov 16, 2012
Far Away wrote:
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Well, the right-of-way that is now vacant would be deriving revenue from the pipeline to government(s). The question then becomes, do you think you would call it "using" taxpayer infrastructure as if the pipeline is a parasite?
I know a little about pipelines from having one traversing this state from north to south and, trust me, it pays a crap-load of property taxes to the state and municipalities where it crosses.
the alaskan pipeline crosses "public land"
the keystone pipeline crosses private property, and all through the midwest landowners are fighting to keep their land from eminent domain.
(nevermind that the energy used to extract the oil exceeds the actual oil extracted)
.
why not use those funds to build solar and wind along-side our nations interstate highways?

Since: Oct 08

Atlanta, GA

#12 Nov 16, 2012
haha, yeah, solar and wind power, that's the ticket. Where will libs plug in their volts?
Lance Winslow

San Jose, CA

#13 Nov 16, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
haha, yeah, solar and wind power, that's the ticket. Where will libs plug in their volts?
It's for your wife's vibrator, Einstein.
imaginaryfriend

Garden City, MI

#14 Nov 16, 2012
No to the tar sands! When it leaks, and it will, there goes the drinking water in those areas forever!!
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#15 Nov 17, 2012
The problem is that now President Obama thinks the people are on HIS side.
frogmann

Pittsburgh, PA

#16 Nov 17, 2012
youtube.com/watch...
Then they pressured obama's resignation or impeachment?
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#17 Nov 17, 2012
Far Away wrote:
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Well, the right-of-way that is now vacant would be deriving revenue from the pipeline to government(s). The question then becomes, do you think you would call it "using" taxpayer infrastructure as if the pipeline is a parasite?
I know a little about pipelines from having one traversing this state from north to south and, trust me, it pays a crap-load of property taxes to the state and municipalities where it crosses.
2011-06-07

Two leaks last month in the existing year-old pipeline prompted the U.S. Department of Transportation's Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) to demand that the owner -- Calgary-based TransCanada -- take corrective action. The company shut the pipeline May 29 and after making repairs the agency Saturday approved its reopening.

"Almost all of the oil releases over the last 11 months on Keystone have been minor - averaging just five to 10 gallons of oil," Russ Girling, TransCanada's president and chief executive officer, said in a statement. "The vast majority of that oil was confined to our property and in all cases was cleaned up quickly. None of the incidents involved the pipe in the ground - the integrity of Keystone is sound."

The two most recent leaks to the existing 2,143-mile pipeline, which carries crude oil from Alberta to Cushing, Okla., were much larger than the nine earlier ones that Girling described. On May 7 near Millner, N.D., the pipeline spilled about 21,000 gallons of oil and on May 29 in Atchison, Kan., it leaked about 420 gallons.

A year old?(at this writing)

"the integrity of Keystone is sound?."

Yep, reminds me Of George.

"The fundamentals of our economy are strong".
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#18 Nov 17, 2012
Michael Klink, a 59-year-old civil engineer from Auburn, In., says he reported a litany of problems when he was working as a construction inspector at several pumping stations along the Keystone oil pipeline as it was being built in 2009 -- from sloppy concrete jobs and poorly spaced rebar to bad welds and poor pressure testing.

For his diligence, Klink says, he was harassed, berated and ultimately fired. The experience has left him convinced that a controversial proposal to expand the Keystone pipeline matrix, which would ultimately deliver as much as 1.3 million barrels of crude oil a day from an oil patch in Alberta, Canada, to refineries in the Midwest and the Texas Gulf Coast, should never gain federal or public support.

"They didn't care, and that's why you've seen all these leaks already," Klink said. "And I worry that it's only a matter of time before there will be another disaster like the Deepwater Horizon -- only this time it won't be out on the water. It will be right in the middle of the country.

"I'm no treehugger," Klink added. "I just think things ought to be built right, and I have no faith that these guys can do it."

Evidence supporting his skepticism isn't hard to find. In just over a year of operation, the Keystone network's existing leg, which runs through the Dakotas, Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri before terminating in Illinois -- has leaked more than a dozen times. In most cases, the amount was small, and federal officials have suggested that such hiccups are common to new pipelines. But two incidents in May, including one that spewed more than 20,000 gallons of oil, prompted regulators to briefly block Keystone from moving oil in June. Virtually all of the spills happened at pumping stations like the ones where Klink worked.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#19 Nov 17, 2012
The pipeline should be approved ONLY if 100% of the products transported through it remain in the US and are not exported to the highest bidder.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#20 Nov 17, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
The problem is that now President Obama thinks the people are on HIS side.
And, by the 'law of transitivity', 51% is a MANDATE. And, he is King.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#21 Nov 17, 2012
The Keystone XL tar sands pipeline puts our country’s natural resources at risk. The pipeline route passes through Nebraska’s Ogallala Aquifer, which is the country’s largest source of freshwater. The Aquifer provides drinking water and irrigation for millions of Americans throughout the country. Even a single spill could have disastrous consequences for generations to come—and a University of Nebraska at Lincoln analysis of the pipeline finds that it could have 91 major spills in 50 years.

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