Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

Jan 12, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: National Ledger

Rep. Ron Paul's 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign started with great promise: A former four-term Republican US Congressman running on the ticket of America's third largest party. via National Ledger

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Steve

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Nov 22, 2012
 
Bill R wrote:
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Steve ... just curious ... does the Democratic Party have
and official position on gay marriage?
I think that they came out officially in favor of it at the Convention.
Steve

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Nov 22, 2012
 
I don't agree with those who say that Ron Paul would have beaten Obama. The Democrats would have dredged up tons of stuff on him and his more peculiar libertarian positions. They would have brought up the newsletters, his opposition to the Civil Rights Act, his belief that Social Security and Medicare are unconsitutional, and his notion that the Catholic Church and other charities should be stuck with taking care of people who can't afford health insurance. The narrative from the media would be how "out there" Ron Paul is (sort of like Goldwater, except without the nukes); Ron Paul wouldn't have even gotten a chance to talk about the economy because he would have been too busy explaining and defending his positions on issues. The Dems would have mentioned that Dr. No is totally against government loans to students, and that would have taken care of the youth vote, one of Paul's supposedly strongest voting blocks. The Democrats would have painted him as wanting to take America backwards, instead of "Forward" like Obama. I truly think that Romney, or perhaps Huntsman, was the GOP's best chance. The Republicans have to figure out what direction they want to go, but I don't think that adopting the entire platform of the Libertarian Party is the solution.
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Nov 22, 2012
 
Bill R wrote:
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Steve ... just curious ... does the Democratic Party have
and official position on gay marriage?
There are many decent people who oppose gay marriage, but young people are totally for it, and they see it as the biggest civil rights issue of this era.
Bill R

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Nov 22, 2012
 
Steve wrote:
I don't agree with those who say that Ron Paul would have beaten Obama. The Democrats would have dredged up tons of stuff on him and his more peculiar libertarian positions. They would have brought up the newsletters, his opposition to the Civil Rights Act, his belief that Social Security and Medicare are unconsitutional, and his notion that the Catholic Church and other charities should be stuck with taking care of people who can't afford health insurance. The narrative from the media would be how "out there" Ron Paul is (sort of like Goldwater, except without the nukes); Ron Paul wouldn't have even gotten a chance to talk about the economy because he would have been too busy explaining and defending his positions on issues. The Dems would have mentioned that Dr. No is totally against government loans to students, and that would have taken care of the youth vote, one of Paul's supposedly strongest voting blocks. The Democrats would have painted him as wanting to take America backwards, instead of "Forward" like Obama. I truly think that Romney, or perhaps Huntsman, was the GOP's best chance. The Republicans have to figure out what direction they want to go, but I don't think that adopting the entire platform of the Libertarian Party is the solution.
Steve, you'll never convince the politically dense that Paul
was DOA as a candidate. Imagine, if you will, an Obama game
plan that focused on Mitt Romney as a "rich white guy" instead
going after an old, antiquated white guy who gave credence to
the secessionists and racists in the South and Southwest as
early as 5 years ago.

It isn't that ALL of Paul's ideas are wrong ... he is not wrong
on every count. But the fact is his voting record alone would
have made 2012 nothing less than a 2012 McGovern result. And
quite honestly, I can't imagine any state going for Paul. Not
one. I can say this but the Paul folks will whine about the
primaries, Roberts Rules of Order, and how poorly he was treated
in the debates. Nevermind the fact that the less Paul said at
the debates the better and more sympathetic he appeared. And
nevermind that they were far more accommodating in 2012 than in
2008.

For the record, I have returned to the ranks of registered
Republicans, but I will never do anything more than cast a vote
from now on other than the strictly local.

At far as the national I'll come right out and say that if the
Republican Party doesn't become benevolent in the "citizenship
sense" toward Mexicans migrating into the U.S., legally or otherwise, they are destined to become totally irrelevant.
That means the lazy-assed white guys out there in the blue
collared world will have to be willing to do jobs that they
believe God meant to be done by someone else.

Here's the facts. 100% of my employees are I-9 and cleared
e-verify. 75% are now Latinos. My best, hardest-working
people are Latinos. I'm sorry, but "them's the facts."

The Republican Party has to deal with it or will NEVER win
a national election again. They must STOP being WHITE,
MIDDLE CLASS, and ETHNOCENTRIC or die a slow (no, rather
quick) death at the polling booth. I've had to fire 4
people during these past 6 months. All have been "white."
All have been paid 50% more than minimum wage (at the very
least) and all acted in the workplace like Latinos were
their inferior. All those "inferiors" were more productive
than those I fired.

BTW, I hired 1 "white" guy 3 months ago and he is now a
shift foreman because .... thanks be to God .... he works
his ass off to make my company more efficient and productive.

I have no use for culls.
Bill R

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Nov 22, 2012
 
Steve wrote:
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There are many decent people who oppose gay marriage, but young people are totally for it, and they see it as the biggest civil rights issue of this era.
Steve, 50 years ago a theologian by the name of Harvey Cox
essentially declared that we were living in post-Christian
era. I rejected the idea then, then later came to understand
that what was happening wasn't about Christianity alone, but
theological assumptions as a whole.

In short, it wasn't the end of Christianity (Harvey's
article on the cover of Time Magazine was "Is God Dead?")
but the end of the tacit acceptance of millions/billions
of human beings that the declarations of Christianity
(of whatever stripe), Judaism, Hinduism, Confucianism,
or any other world religion were subject to scrutiny in
the light of established scientific fact.

From an anthropological standpoint homosexuality was
deemed wrong because males died in conflict with both
animals and other human beings .... to waste human "seed"
in a nonproductive exercise was regarded as sinful. Why?
More human creatures were needed in the battle or war for
mere existence as individuals, as tribe, as culture ...
you get the idea no doubt.

Those days are over.

Quite literally, "gay marriage" is a dead issue. My only
argument is that we get rid of the word "marriage" in all
legal matters and replace it with "civil union." The
government seized upon marriage as a union of 1 male and 1
female only for the purpose of 1) public record and census
benefit, 2)an admittance that only the Church (in all its
manifestations) had accurate accounting of its membership
and constituents, and 3) had an ability to impose taxes or fees upon those intending to engage in a marriage relationship.

My opinion: let us dump "marriage" as a legal term. Let
us reserve the word "marriage" as a specifically religious
term that applies to those who have entered into a union
that, even more than "civil" in the legal sense, commits to
a 1 man and 1 woman bond.
Bill R

Lebanon, OR

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Nov 23, 2012
 
UIdiotRAceMAkeWorldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>BAck at you, enjoy the festive Steve!
Hey UIdiot, have you spent any time back there giving
a hand or dollar to the folks in Staten Island,
Seaside Heights, Atlantic City, etc.?
drink the hive

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Nov 23, 2012
 
Compulsory Education Is Already Completely Shitty As It Is...

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toadmann

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Nov 23, 2012
 
youtube.com/watch... ……Young Stinkers or Old Farts Ron Paul is done in Politics
EASY MONEY

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Nov 23, 2012
 
Bill R wrote:
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Hey UIdiot, have you spent any time back there giving
a hand or dollar to the folks in Staten Island,
Seaside Heights, Atlantic City, etc.?
Come on Bill, you knew the answer to that before you asked it. All that dude can do is talk S**T, but will never do anything of value for any one!
UidiotRaceMakeWO rldPeace

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Nov 23, 2012
 
EASY MONEY wrote:
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Come on Bill, you knew the answer to that before you asked it. All that dude can do is talk S**T, but will never do anything of value for any one!
Wrong! i supported few by give $$$! And tell billr the War monger Neocon and You?
Bill R

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Nov 24, 2012
 
UidiotRaceMakeWOrldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! i supported few by give $$$! And tell billr the War monger Neocon and You?
C'mon my narcissistic New Yorker .... can't you folks
take care of yourselves? You expect help from someone in
Thailand or Oregon? Geez, I thought the best whines came
from California, but I guess Brooklyn has the best.

More seriously, last night the Oregon Coast had winds of
98 mph. It happens at least a half dozen times every
year, but we don't cry about it to the national media ...
though I do wonder how much more screaming there would
be about the limpdick response of FEMA or the Red Cross
if Bush or anyone but Obama had been in the White House.

Out here, Bubba, we take care of our own. We don't even
bother to ask for help because we live the life of being
good neighbors and even family to those in need.

A question for you U Idiot: In that primitive backward
world called Christianity there has always been the
concept of the tithe .... a tithe being 10% of one's
income given to others BEFORE enjoying the fruits of one's
harvest.

Do you tithe? Or are you a Joe Biden or Barack Obama?
The man you hated, Mitt Romney, gave more than 12% off the
top. I disagree with him on more than a few issues, but
I would prefer him, a man who gives out of his own pocket
without being forced to do so via taxation, than a pathetic
piece of crap who tells others what they MUST give to be
good Americans.

PS ...... Joe Biden's "giving" is the most pathetic of
any public figure I have ever known. You or I probably
gave more to others than that half of a man.
Bill R

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Nov 24, 2012
 
Hey U Idiot, do you feel good knowing that the
man who is a heartbeat from the Presidency
spent more on his dentures than on the poor?
Bill R

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Nov 24, 2012
 
EASY MONEY wrote:
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Come on Bill, you knew the answer to that before you asked it. All that dude can do is talk S**T, but will never do anything of value for any one!
Easy, you and I both know the facts and the facts are
that conservatives (even those despised neo-cons) give
much more to charity than liberals or "progressives."
Conservatives, however you wish to define them, are
more generous in their giving to non-profit causes and
such than those who never stop mouthing off about how
greedy we conservatives are. We give at levels far
greater than those who huff and puff about how wonderful
they are in their love of the poor or the hurting.
That includes Democrats (liberals and progressives)
and those who try to separate themselves from the rest of
us by calling themselves "libertarian."

Bill R

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Nov 24, 2012
 
EASY MONEY wrote:
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Come on Bill, you knew the answer to that before you asked it. All that dude can do is talk S**T, but will never do anything of value for any one!
Easy, U Idiot lives in a world quite different from
either you or me .... though I have never experienced
what you do or have done and never wish to .

The culture of NYC consists of pompously telling the
rest of us what WE ought to and need to be doing. But
notice that that it never includes the residents of that
so-called "fair city."

Regarding the elections, I cannot recall ever coming
upon a small segment of the electorate so proud of their
resounding defeat at the polls. I truly doubt they will ever
ask themselves if they need to broaden their perspective
to include a significant number of voters in a General
Election. Ron Paul has not changed, so why should or could
they?
EASY MONEY

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Nov 24, 2012
 
UIdiotRacesMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
For Neocon Perusual! for fun!
Enjoy!
You would have hit sack of guts of AMericunts and Americoons. with words like US mad scientistt of self destruction , War toys Inventors, AmerikKKa Neocon , propagandist News war propeller,and US War mongers,AmeriCON War-profiteer fiends,the lowly Pawn Warmonger soldier Boy AmeriKKKA HOMO-Erectus, the unwise Philosopher of war inciters , US eCONomist war, bloody Artist war scenes, warring BureucRATs etc., are bunch of evil U Knighted Snake of Murda of the Greet Satan. BWHHAHAHAHAAA
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later bill, i have to bill r you later for waht you said!
about your idiotic ranting post!
U Sourpvss , get over it , Obama won !
What does this mean Not supporter of" What did i mean bi-partisan-shop-horrors? "
Damn! Where are the men in the white coats when you really need them to take that idiot away to the funny farm? What gibberish! What happened, wouldn't mom let you leave the flat?
Bill R

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Nov 27, 2012
 
EASY MONEY wrote:
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Damn! Where are the men in the white coats when you really need them to take that idiot away to the funny farm? What gibberish! What happened, wouldn't mom let you leave the flat?
He is in New York .... that IS the funny farm.

As for gibberish, it is just a continuation of what
he has regurgitated for years now without ever constructing
a real sentence with real punctuation.

Maybe in 2012 what he spews here is considered actual
language in places like NYU or the New School of Social
Research, but even in ordinary liberal academia nothing
he has written would ever merit a D-.

In NYC what he posts is considered profound. In the real
world it is 8th grade dumbed down.
UIdiotRaceMAkewo rldPeace

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Nov 27, 2012
 
Bill R wrote:
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He is in New York .... that IS the funny farm.
As for gibberish, it is just a continuation of what
he has regurgitated for years now without ever constructing
a real sentence with real punctuation.
Maybe in 2012 what he spews here is considered actual
language in places like NYU or the New School of Social
Research, but even in ordinary liberal academia nothing
he has written would ever merit a D-.
In NYC what he posts is considered profound. In the real
world it is 8th grade dumbed down.
You would not even survive as New YAwker in Concrete jungle ,YOU WHAT WE CALLED lOSERS! How is it NY funny Farm?
NY is Financial Capital of the World, and it not a funny Farm!

I even got you running on here thread, you lost quite a number of debates throughout the many years on this thread!I even put you , with double MAster Degree Holder in your rightful place; you had forgotten it already Pops. If you want we can pull up those posts , as you lost quite a number of debates to me, as I harassed your profound intellectual superiority complex and mocked you left and right until you can't taken no more. and, you didn't even answer few of my posts and ran away from the debates
And FYI !
I have handicap with language processing but i managed to pull of a B for political discourse thesis in College! So, you gonna mock the handicaps of society, am i right high and Mighty Billr? BWHAHHAHHAAAA
UIdiotRaceMAkewo rldPeace

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Nov 27, 2012
 
EASY MONEY wrote:
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Damn! Where are the men in the white coats when you really need them to take that idiot away to the funny farm? What gibberish! What happened, wouldn't mom let you leave the flat?
Wrong! White coats at Semiconductor plant! BWHHAHAHAHHAAHAH
UIdiotRaceMAkewo rldPeace

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Nov 27, 2012
 
UIdiotRaceMAkeworldPeace wrote:
<quoted text>You would not even survive as New YAwker in Concrete jungle ,YOU WHAT WE CALLED lOSERS! How is it NY funny Farm?
NY is Financial Capital of the World, and it not a funny Farm!
I even got you running on here thread, you lost quite a number of debates throughout the many years on this thread!I even put you , with double MAster Degree Holder in your rightful place; you had forgotten it already Pops. If you want we can pull up those posts , as you lost quite a number of debates to me, as I harassed your profound intellectual superiority complex and mocked you left and right until you can't taken no more. and, you didn't even answer few of my posts and ran away from the debates
And FYI !
I have handicap with language processing but i managed to pull of a B for political discourse thesis in College! So, you gonna mock the handicaps of society, am i right high and Mighty Billr? BWHAHHAHHAAAA
That is i was diagnosed with handicap - in LAnguage processing.
UIdiotRaceMAkewo rldPeace

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Nov 27, 2012
 
Bill R wrote:
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Easy, U Idiot lives in a world quite different from
either you or me .... though I have never experienced
what you do or have done and never wish to .
The culture of NYC consists of pompously telling the
rest of us what WE ought to and need to be doing. But
notice that that it never includes the residents of that
so-called "fair city."
Regarding the elections, I cannot recall ever coming
upon a small segment of the electorate so proud of their
resounding defeat at the polls. I truly doubt they will ever
ask themselves if they need to broaden their perspective
to include a significant number of voters in a General
Election. Ron Paul has not changed, so why should or could
they?
Of course we all live in different world, that is given, you Wiseheimer! Easy lives in Thailand capital of Sex and whores and Billr lives on Funny farm with animals at his disposal! bwhahhahhahAAAAAAAA

YES! NYC IS Financial Capital of the World and you better listen or else you fall wayside into Financial Hell bound! BWHHAHHAHAHHAA.

Ron Paul tell the truth, as over years he tell Why US is in this miserable State of Funk, the corruption, Financial malfesance, Illicit overseas wars will do to US,... and he not afraid to question everyone on the hill!

And why the other corrupted Politicians and leaders in power ... And, many are running away from hard hitting Ron Paul's obtuse questioning of their morals and ethics... so what you have to say Billr the warring Neocon fool?

Did i piss you off Again? BWHHHWHHWHWaaaa

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