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Santorum: Doctors Providing Abortions To Rape And Incest Victims Should Be Criminally Charged

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Appearing on NBC's Meet the Press this morning, former Senator and GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum offered two stunningly maximalist positions on abortion - abortion should be flatly banned even in cases of rape or incest, and doctors who perform abortions should face criminal charges: QUESTION: Do you believe that there should be any ...

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zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4707 Dec 27, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>If you're asking if I'm ever coming over to your side of this debate, the answer is a resounding 'HELL NO!!"
There is no right to be gestated, or I wouldn't have lost five fetuses to miscarriage.
Get the f**k over yourself, you freak.
The right to life means you shouldn't kill your babies, the right to life does not mean that babies cannot die. The right life is the basis for laws against murder. Since we do have laws against killing people, we must be acknowledging that we do have the right to life.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#4708 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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The right to life means you shouldn't kill your babies, the right to life does not mean that babies cannot die. The right life is the basis for laws against murder. Since we do have laws against killing people, we must be acknowledging that we do have the right to life.
The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a child in utero as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb".
And within every 'fetal homicide' law is a clause which exempts abortion as a crime against a fetus.

Try again?

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#4709 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
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Human human rights are inherent and inalienable. Human rights cannot be granted by anyone or anything. Citizenship has absolutely nothing to do with who does or does not have rights. Citizenship mere allows one to participate in the political process. The purpose of our government is to protect our rights, not to give us our rights.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
Religious books out side of a theocracy are for the adherents. It has no weight on a Constitution.. But as your previous post showed. you do agree one must be born. To be a citizen. One must be born.. Therefore.. The only way a person under the U. S. Constitution. Is to be born.. No other way in which a person can have rights. A fetus, embryo, blastocyst, zygote have no rights. Is not a person under the Constitution. That is reality.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4710 Dec 27, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
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Religious books out side of a theocracy are for the adherents. It has no weight on a Constitution.. But as your previous post showed. you do agree one must be born. To be a citizen. One must be born.. Therefore.. The only way a person under the U. S. Constitution. Is to be born.. No other way in which a person can have rights. A fetus, embryo, blastocyst, zygote have no rights. Is not a person under the Constitution. That is reality.
Citizenship has nothing to do with rights. Your vile hatemongering is a blight upon humanity.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4711 Dec 27, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>And within every 'fetal homicide' law is a clause which exempts abortion as a crime against a fetus.
Try again?
The Nuremberg Laws were passed around the time of the great Nazi rallies at Nuremberg; on September 15, 1935, the "Law for the Protection of German Blood and Honor" was passed, at first this only prevented sexual relations and marriage between Germans and Jews, but later the law was extended to "Gypsies, Negroes and their bastard offspring", it became punishable by law as Rassenschande or racial pollution. At the same time, the "Reich Citizenship Law" was passed and was reinforced in November by a decree, stating that all Jews, even quarter- and half-Jews, were no longer citizens of their own country (their official title became "subjects of the state"). This meant that they were deprived of basic citizens' rights, e.g., the right to vote. This removal of citizens' rights was instrumental in the process of anti-semitic persecution: the process of denaturalization allowed the Nazis to exclude—de jure—Jewish people from the "Volksgemeinschaft" ("national community"), thus granting judicial legitimacy to their persecution and opening the way to harsher laws and, eventually, extermination of the Jews. Philosopher Hannah Arendt pointed out this important judicial aspect of the Holocaust in The Origins of Totalitarianism (1951), where she demonstrated that to violate human rights, Nazi Germany first deprived human beings of their citizenship. Arendt underlined that in the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, citizens’ rights actually preceded human rights, as the latter needed the protection of a determinate state to be actually respected.
The drafting of the Nuremberg Laws has often been attributed to Hans Globke. Globke had studied British attempts to "order" its empire by creating hierarchical social orders, for example in the organization of "martial races" in India.
In 1936, Jews were banned from all professional jobs, effectively preventing them from having any influence in education, politics, higher education, and industry. There was now nothing to stop the anti-Jewish actions that spread across the German economy.
Between 1937 and 1938, new laws were implemented, and the segregation of Jews from the "German Aryan" population was completed. In particular, Jews were punished financially for being Jewish.
On March 1, 1938, government contracts could not be awarded to Jewish businesses. On September 30, "Aryan" doctors could only treat "Aryan" patients. Provision of medical care to Jews was already hampered by the fact that Jews were banned from being doctors.
On August 17, Jews with first names of non-Jewish origin had to add "Israel" (males) or "Sara" (females) to their names, and a large letter "J" was to be printed on their passports on October 5. On November 15, Jewish children were banned from going to state-run schools. By April 1939, nearly all Jewish companies had either collapsed under financial pressure and declining profits, or had been persuaded to sell out to the government, further reducing their rights as human beings; they were, in many ways, effectively separated from the German populace.
The increasingly totalitarian regime that Hitler imposed on Germany allowed him to control the actions of the SS and the army. On November 7, 1938, a young Polish Jew named Herschel Grynszpan attacked and shot German diplomat Ernst vom Rath in the Nazi-German embassy in Paris. Joseph Goebbels ordered retaliation. On the night of November 9, the SS conducted "the Night of Broken Glass" ("Kristallnacht"), in which at least 91 Jews were killed and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps. After the start of the war, and the conquest of numerous European countries, the Jewish population was put into ghettos, from which they were shipped to death camps where they were murdered.
Deborah

Minneapolis, MN

#4712 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Citizenship has nothing to do with rights. Your vile hatemongering is a blight upon humanity.
This unborn baby had legal rights, which were recognized as such in the sentence of her and her mother's murderer.

[12/17/13] "In an early morning verdict reached after 11 straight hours of deliberation, a Dakota County jury on Tuesday found Roger Holland guilty of murdering his pregnant wife in their Apple Valley townhouse last March.

"The jury convicted Holland on all four counts he faced in the slaying of Margorie Holland -- two first-degree and two second-degree murder charges. The charges carry a sentence of life in prison without parole.

http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_24732593/h...

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#4713 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Citizenship has nothing to do with rights. Your vile hatemongering is a blight upon humanity.
Citizenship, you fool, has everything to do with rights.. Dear Gods you really are a fool.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#4714 Dec 27, 2013
http://www.twincities.com/crime/ci_24732593/h...

"The charges for murder of an unborn child didn't require that Holland be found guilty of intending to kill the 15-week-old fetus his wife was carrying. If jurors found he killed the fetus while trying to kill someone else, that fulfilled the charge."

Translation all that had to be proved was that he violated her civil rights for the charges to stick.. He was not charged for murder of the fetus..

Shheeeesh will you people please get a remedial reading course and at the very least take a civic course as well.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#4715 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
The Nuremberg Laws were passed around the time of the great Nazi rallies at Nuremberg; on September 15, 1935, the "Law for**DELETED**
And every jew, gypsy, homosexual, foreign citizens murdered were people, you delusional bat shyt crazy fool.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4716 Dec 27, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
And every jew, gypsy, homosexual, foreign citizens murdered were people, you delusional bat shyt crazy fool.
And every all the people you kill with abortion are testament to your nihilistic regime of tyranny, hatred, and death.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4717 Dec 27, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
Citizenship, you fool, has everything to do with rights.. Dear Gods you really are a fool.

Wrong, citizenship is only related to the right to liberty. Dear Gods you really are a hate mongering nihilistic tyrant.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4718 Dec 27, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
http://www.twincities.com/crim e/ci_24732593/holland-murder-t rial-closing-arguments-monday- morning?IADID=Search-www.twinc ities.com-www.twincities.com
"The charges for murder of an unborn child didn't require that Holland be found guilty of intending to kill the 15-week-old fetus his wife was carrying. If jurors found he killed the fetus while trying to kill someone else, that fulfilled the charge."
Translation all that had to be proved was that he violated her civil rights for the charges to stick.. He was not charged for murder of the fetus..
Shheeeesh will you people please get a remedial reading course and at the very least take a civic course as well.
Her? Are you suggesting that the baby you killed was male?

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#4719 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
And every all the people you kill with abortion are testament to your nihilistic regime of tyranny, hatred, and death.
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong, citizenship is only related to the right to liberty. Dear Gods you really are a hate mongering nihilistic tyrant.
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Her? Are you suggesting that the baby you killed was male?
Hey zef tell the kind nurse to up your drip to a stream.. You are raving..

Oh and a little FYI delusional one. To be a citizen means you are a person.. Which means you are born..

You really should take a civic course in between seeing the good docs for your obvious mental problems.
fingiswold

Tifton, GA

#4720 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Fetus is an age. Human fetus are just as much people as any other people of any other age. Despite your crass ageism, all people of all ages have the right to life.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
posterity
1 the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation
2 all future generations
Um, no. "Age" starts at birth. Try again.
fingiswold

Tifton, GA

#4721 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
The Nuremberg Laws were passed around the time of the great Nazi rallies at Nuremberg...blah, blah......
Irrelevant twaddle based around the nonsensical play of the 'Nazi card.' Get bent.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4722 Dec 27, 2013
fingiswold wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, no. "Age" starts at birth. Try again.
Age starts at existence. Your vile hate mongering will never validify your stupidity.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4723 Dec 27, 2013
Kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Hey zef tell the kind nurse to up your drip to a stream.. You are raving..
Oh and a little FYI delusional one. To be a citizen means you are a person.. Which means you are born..
You really should take a civic course in between seeing the good docs for your obvious mental problems.
To be a person means you are human, which you obviously aren't. The sooner this planet is rid of your filth the better off we will all be.
fingiswold

Tifton, GA

#4724 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Age starts at existence. Your vile hate mongering will never validify your stupidity.
Show me how people get to apply for a learner's permit at 16 years minus 9 months, then...or vote at 18 years minus nine months, or drink liquor at 21 years minus 9 months.

What's that you say? You CAN'T??

LOL...idiot.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#4726 Dec 27, 2013
zef wrote:
<quoted text>
Age starts at existence. Your vile hate mongering will never validify your stupidity.
You are incorrect. Age starts at birth.
zef

Los Angeles, CA

#4727 Dec 27, 2013
fingiswold wrote:
<quoted text>
Show me how people get to apply for a learner's permit at 16 years minus 9 months, then...or vote at 18 years minus nine months, or drink liquor at 21 years minus 9 months.
What's that you say? You CAN'T??
LOL...idiot.
From birth is not the same as from existence, you blilthering hate mongering idiot.

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