Birther Movement is an embarrassment

Birther Movement is an embarrassment

There are 2982 comments on the www.sunjournal.com story from Aug 1, 2009, titled Birther Movement is an embarrassment. In it, www.sunjournal.com reports that:

Maybe this is the way political disputes play out in the Internet Age, but we think it is disgusting and dangerous. Someone flings a charge, then lets word of mouth, e-mail blasts and talk-show chatter turn an easily debunked allegation into a full-fledged circus of conspiratorial cover-up theories. Americans deserve better and need to demand some responsibility - especially from elected officials who seem most interested in playing to the worst instincts the political fringe has to offer.

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“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

United States

#1 Aug 1, 2009
Embarrassment to who?

Obama for stonewalling when all he had to do early on was produce it?

The guy has been deceitful from day 1 and a national disgrace.

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“Truth to Power!”

Since: Apr 07

United States

#2 Aug 1, 2009
Barack W. Bush

Obama's approval numbers early in his term are closing in on his predecessor's. Are his policies too?

Jul 31, 2009

Obama sought to erase Bush's legacy even faster than Bush had tried to do with Clinton, repudiating W's policies even as the latter sat on the podium listening to Obama's inaugural address.

But a little more than six months in, with his approval ratings now hovering around where Bush's were in late July 2001—in the mid to high 50s—the Obama administration is beginning to resemble the Bush team in more ways than you might think.

It's not just a question of converging poll numbers; we are starting to see converging policy positions as well—which is a remarkable thing to contemplate considering where the two presidents began ideologically.

Consider: Obama wants to close Gitmo but can't seem to get around to it.

He's facing down North Korea and getting into bed with China.

He's followed Bush's economic bailout plans pretty much move for move, except for the stimulus.

Obama, like Bush, has got a vice president who's out of control and staking out a harder line, for example on Russia.(OK, Jokin' Joe Biden is not exactly Dick Cheney in outlook.)

He's got a Supreme Court nominee who, according to some of her senatorial questioners, sounded unempathetically like John Roberts at her confirmation hearing.

And after months of fruitlessly awaiting an answer from Tehran on engagement, Obama is now being forced to adopt an almost neocon view of Iran's protest-wracked government as illegitimate.(If he doesn't, what does that say to the protesters and their liberal supporters?)

The eager young president who came into office seeking foes to engage is finding that he has almost no one to talk to except for the old stalwarts that Bush liked to meet.

Oh yeah, and both Bush and Obama have dug deep fiscal deficits.

Even in areas where Obama has consciously sought to repudiate Bush, like energy and health care, the new president seems to be retreating back into a murky Bush-like world.

Obama talked a lot about becoming the green president, but his climate and energy plan is beginning to resemble the giant fish in Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea, chewed to the bone as it makes its way through the House and Senate. Many environmentalists are disappointed.

By sitting down with nearly every interest group known to man and making concessions to every stakeholder—for example, giving coal utilities hefty pollution allowances—the final bill that passed the House was seen by critics as so watered down that it might do more harm than good in some areas.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/209801

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Lance Winslow

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#3 Aug 1, 2009
Birthers are the future mainstay of the GOP: ignorant, self righteous, un-reasoning, and totally convinced of what's totally wrong.

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Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#4 Aug 1, 2009
It's real simple liberal simpletons.

He could make this whole thing go away by simply showing it and proving the Birther movement there is no conspiracy and that he was born an American citizen.

Instead - he spends hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to block ad counter every court based attempt to have this information proven.

The fact that military officers refusing orders based on his being unConstitutionally able to hold the office are not being punished and their orders rescinded, does not bode well in propping Obama's case.

But of course - all the liberal left can do is spit on simple logic, and instead pile on more and more abuse on a woman that has no bearing at all on the running of our government, while the man that seeks to rule us while hiding his proof of legitimacy is ramrodding bill after bill without the bills being read, piling on debt upon debt, expanding the Federal Government to unimaginable size, and inserting that government deeper and deeper into our private lives.

Yeah - you idiots on the liberal left really have it over the Birthers. Your scale of ignorance surpasses anything you may think is capable of them.

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“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

King Of Prussia, PA

#5 Aug 1, 2009
The crazy, constapo loons aren't merely an embarrassment. Even if the stank and file Republikkkans don't know the "controversy" over the birth certificate is all BS, the people funding these lawsuits do.

So it's not an embarrassment. It's a conscious tactic in a war of undermining, with no regard for facts, just like Swift Boating.

But not quite as effective this time around.

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“FREEDOM OF THOUGHT”

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#6 Aug 1, 2009
writewingproxycontin wrote:
The crazy, constapo loons aren't merely an embarrassment. Even if the stank and file Republikkkans don't know the "controversy" over the birth certificate is all BS, the people funding these lawsuits do.
So it's not an embarrassment. It's a conscious tactic in a war of undermining, with no regard for facts, just like Swift Boating.
But not quite as effective this time around.
paid for by obama is the messiah committee !

LOL get real ! its a hidden agenda and a hidden background that keeps this alive !

school reords , passport ,credentials ,rezko,ayers,wright,black liberation theology, birth records , its really simple open the records stop the controversy , keep the records closed and close more as they come to light keep the controversy alive .

more people are beginning to see the dark places which remain hidden .

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OutlawRepub

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Aug 1, 2009
GAPatriot65 wrote:
It's real simple liberal simpletons.
He could make this whole thing go away by simply showing it and proving the Birther movement there is no conspiracy and that he was born an American citizen.
Instead - he spends hundreds of thousands of tax payer dollars to block ad counter every court based attempt to have this information proven.
The fact that military officers refusing orders based on his being unConstitutionally able to hold the office are not being punished and their orders rescinded, does not bode well in propping Obama's case.
But of course - all the liberal left can do is spit on simple logic, and instead pile on more and more abuse on a woman that has no bearing at all on the running of our government, while the man that seeks to rule us while hiding his proof of legitimacy is ramrodding bill after bill without the bills being read, piling on debt upon debt, expanding the Federal Government to unimaginable size, and inserting that government deeper and deeper into our private lives.
Yeah - you idiots on the liberal left really have it over the Birthers. Your scale of ignorance surpasses anything you may think is capable of them.
Paranoia!
Stupidity!
Xenophobia!
The Republican Party is in shambles.

Republican: the Party of the High School Drop-out Rednecks and the schizophrenics.

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“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Elkridge, MD

#8 Aug 2, 2009
I love how Barack's minions, like David Axelrod, who is a marketing guy who thinks Barack Obama is the ULTIMATE brand, use words to try to manipulate people.. I have not yet figured out if they are DRUGGING the democratic politicians to get them to do such UNAMERICAN things as passing a health care bill that will DESTROY the greatest healthcare system in the world and virtually make Obama America's first DICTATOR.. but when Max Baucus came out to speak about the agreement they had been working on,, he was pseaking very incoherantly... it is time for people to realize this is not a game.. Obama is not some innocent young man who is in over his head.. they are PURPOSEFULLY DESTROYING the greatest nation on the face of the Earth... they want us all to suffer,, they are working hard on devaluing our dollar and unemploying all of us and enslaving our medical personel... we need to get this man IMPEACHED and this non existant birth certificate is the easiest way to do it...him not trying in the least to pretend to be a president, and instead being a dictator is another way...and him choosing to do the exact opposite of things that would HELP the country.. ie quadrupling the deficit with wasteful spending,, is TREASON!!!!

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“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Elkridge, MD

#9 Aug 2, 2009
OutlawRepub wrote:
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Paranoia!
Stupidity!
Xenophobia!
The Republican Party is in shambles.
Republican: the Party of the High School Drop-out Rednecks and the schizophrenics.
don't forget ALL the people with ideas who start businesses TO EMPLOY THE REST OF SOCIETY
Democrats= brain dead lemmings who hate America because they spent too many years in liberal arts colleges learning from hippie-babie Marxists... or those addicted to the heroin of social engineering programs..
let me ask you a question.. have you noticed the resumes of most members of the administration and all of the czars include words like "communist, socialist, globalist"?
this administration hates your country and you need to WISE UP!!

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“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Elkridge, MD

#10 Aug 2, 2009
why would anyone be surpirsed that the man who goes around the globe condemning the country he was just elected to lead, apologizing for a history that he erroneously learned at America hating colleges, would in fact turn out to be the MANCHURAIN candidate for those who have been trying since the 60s to take America down,, including the likes of Bill Ayers, George Soros, and so many America haters involved in ACORN and its affiliates.... innocent Americans all these years thought that all people living in the greatest nation on Earth, where all are equal and all are free would appreciate the opportunites given by this the greatest nation.. when all along there have been rats planning this coup... a "peaceful" coup made possible by democrats having control over all three branches of the government... Obama is no different from Chavez... he lied to get elected and now he is FORCING his will on this nation.. the people are using any means legally possible and it is a crime that he is forcing this nation into the situation of becoming a third world banana republic...the man is a traitor to America or worse... the enemy within..

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Morden

Lihue, HI

#11 Aug 2, 2009
Conservative right wing evangelicals are afraid of the reforms on Obama's agenda. They are spending millions to defeat Obama's attempts to fix the country's energy policy and bring down health care costs. These nut jobs hae adopted the Karl Rove strategy of fearmongering, to try and discredit Obama. This from the party that brought us watergate, the great depression and the fake WMDs that led to Bush's personal war in Iraq.
Health care costs are skyrocketing, many folks cannot affford health coverage, and Insurance companies are raking in record profits. It's not in the best interests of these evangelical conservitards to allow Obama to do anything that would touch the insanely out of control profits from health insurance companies and big Oil companies. Energy and Health care reform are the two greatest threats to the big donors that fund these right wing nutjobs. The birth certificate non-issue is just another attempt by the evangelical conservitards to protect themselves and their greedy contributors from the effects of true reform, while screwing the rest of America!

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CONspiracy Hoax

Lihue, HI

#12 Aug 2, 2009
If his Birth Certificate and Birth announcement were forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term 40+ year fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State's office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

How likely is that???
The truth is out there

Lihue, HI

#13 Aug 2, 2009
The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Birthers are clueless

Lihue, HI

#14 Aug 2, 2009
Obama's birth certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version.
CONspiracy

Lihue, HI

#15 Aug 2, 2009
What do you get when you cross a right wing evangelical birther with a fake conspiracy?

A BIRFOON!
Boycott sponsors of Dobbs

Lihue, HI

#16 Aug 2, 2009
The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department.
Conspiracy Hoax

Lihue, HI

#17 Aug 2, 2009
Birthers = insurgents within our Democracy! They are the enemy within. Homeland Security was right to recognize the threat of these homegrown terrorist groups.

Truth is elusive to those who refuse to see with both eyes.
Miss Kitty

Dallas, TX

#18 Aug 2, 2009
Our healthcare is NOT the best in the world. We rank 37th in the World, and 50th in life expectancy. Sorry, but that is not the best. This is another false belief among Obama haters. Please get the fact straight. It's appears to be so easy to spread such a fallacy when you hate the President!

“Make America Great Again”

Since: Jun 07

Bring Obama Back!

#20 Aug 2, 2009
You can take your request to see his birth certificate and shove it where the moon don't shine. We don't have to prove anything to any of you unpatriotic right-wing nuts.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States; that's the way we wanted it, and that's the way it is. If you don't like it, tough; go tea bag yourselves to death at another tea-bagging rally, LOL.

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“Pareidolia can be humorous ”

Since: Nov 08

D.C. / No.Va.

#21 Aug 2, 2009
Lance Winslow wrote:
Birthers are the future mainstay of the GOP: ignorant, self righteous, un-reasoning, and totally convinced of what's totally wrong.
Nah, birthers are the really weak-minded conservatives that go around parroting propaganda. They can't think for themselves, so they go around bleating out the standard GOP lies!

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