Evolution vs. Creation

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“A have offended, Brickie, Dark”

Since: Jan 11

Blue, Suncore, Replay whoever

#116916 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Jesus gave those of us who follow his teachings certain commandments and he said that we should love one another. We as Christians may have different interpretations about many things in the Bible. but on this one commandment we should all agree.
What you believe is your own business. But you make statements regarding science that are not supported by any evidence on this forum and those are open to criticism and correction.

Your notion of cycles is based on the cycles we see in nature, but beyond that it has no support and explains nothing. It all requires a universal force that is not evident. You can't call it science. It is belief.
FREE SERVANT

Duluth, GA

#116917 Jul 5, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>What you believe is your own business. But you make statements regarding science that are not supported by any evidence on this forum and those are open to criticism and correction.
Your notion of cycles is based on the cycles we see in nature, but beyond that it has no support and explains nothing. It all requires a universal force that is not evident. You can't call it science. It is belief.
The natural material universe and our Earth works a certain way and natural systems do cycle. It is evident that the force which began these systems, created them to work following patterned circuits, and the Bible does teach this kind of understanding.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116918 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Because the theory of evolution has a wrong premise. The myth that every living thing began very simple and then became more complex over time just does not hold water.
Now you have shown yourself to be a fool.

The theory of evolution is one of the most heavily tested of scientific theories ever. It has passed every major test and has no real failures. How does the theory "not hold water'?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116919 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The natural material universe and our Earth works a certain way and natural systems do cycle. It is evident that the force which began these systems, created them to work following patterned circuits, and the Bible does teach this kind of understanding.
No, you are again simply reinterpreting the Bible in light of the reality that you are willing to accept. The Bible is not a useful tool for dealing with science or the origins of anything.
FREE SERVANT

Duluth, GA

#116920 Jul 5, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Now you have shown yourself to be a fool.
The theory of evolution is one of the most heavily tested of scientific theories ever. It has passed every major test and has no real failures. How does the theory "not hold water'?
I say there is a God who created all things in heaven and earth just as the Bible says and it appears that you deny the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible made living things to be fruitful and to multiply after their own kinds from the beginning and you claim this kind of variety wasn't there at the start. We see variety in everything on Earth and there is no real evidence to indicate that it never existed from the start of life.

“'" Always Thinking '"”

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#116921 Jul 5, 2014
Subduction Zone if God told you everything in the Bible including dealing with science or the origins of anything you'd know as much as He does and He's not about to have that.
Your only a flyspeck along with other shite he deals with on earth every day.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116922 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I say there is a God who created all things in heaven and earth just as the Bible says and it appears that you deny the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible made living things to be fruitful and to multiply after their own kinds from the beginning and you claim this kind of variety wasn't there at the start. We see variety in everything on Earth and there is no real evidence to indicate that it never existed from the start of life.
I don't "deny the God of the Bible". The God of Genesis has been shown not to exist. The idea of Adam and Eve, and Noah's Ark have been shown to be myths. And you have no idea what counts as evidence. In fact scientific evidence supports evolution and evolution only.

I can help you understand. So can others here. Perhaps you first need to learn what scientific evidence is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evide...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116923 Jul 5, 2014
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Subduction Zone if God told you everything in the Bible including dealing with science or the origins of anything you'd know as much as He does and He's not about to have that.
Your only a flyspeck along with other shite he deals with on earth every day.
If you want to claim your God is real it is up to you to find evidence for his existence. So far none has been found. There is no valid reason to believe in your God.

“A have offended, Brickie, Dark”

Since: Jan 11

Blue, Suncore, Replay whoever

#116924 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The natural material universe and our Earth works a certain way and natural systems do cycle. It is evident that the force which began these systems, created them to work following patterned circuits, and the Bible does teach this kind of understanding.
Mere belief and not apparent unless you mean the laws of physics which the natural cycles follow.

You aren't really saying anything new regarding actual cycles, it is clumping it together and saying there is some supernatural force driving it all, when it is explained by physics, chemistry and biology.

Like I said you have a belief. You can't really support it though you seem to think you can and do.

“A have offended, Brickie, Dark”

Since: Jan 11

Blue, Suncore, Replay whoever

#116925 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>I say there is a God who created all things in heaven and earth just as the Bible says and it appears that you deny the God of the Bible. The God of the Bible made living things to be fruitful and to multiply after their own kinds from the beginning and you claim this kind of variety wasn't there at the start. We see variety in everything on Earth and there is no real evidence to indicate that it never existed from the start of life.
That is your belief. My beliefs may be related and based on the Bible, but they are not the same as yours. Oh my what are we to do?

Yes, there is evidence that shows the diversity we see today was different in the past in size and variety. There is evidence that shows groups that exist today were not to be found in certain periods, while other groups that existed in those periods are not found today or are in great reduced diversity.

In order for you to explain this evidence you have to maintain reliance on an escalating conjecture. Each speculative answer requires even further speculative answers to support the previous speculation. A house of cards.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#116926 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The natural material universe and our Earth works a certain way and natural systems do cycle. It is evident that the force which began these systems, created them to work following patterned circuits, and the Bible does teach this kind of understanding.
Gosh you're absolutely right! The bible teaches us that god done it with god magic!
It also teaches us, god magic no work on iron chariots.
Why just the other day a snake told me about systems cycles and serendipity. See he figured out if he bit down his tail, not only could he roll to party like a wheel. But he was the star of the show when they used him for a hula hoop!
FREE SERVANT

Duluth, GA

#116927 Jul 5, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>That is your belief. My beliefs may be related and based on the Bible, but they are not the same as yours. Oh my what are we to do?
Yes, there is evidence that shows the diversity we see today was different in the past in size and variety. There is evidence that shows groups that exist today were not to be found in certain periods, while other groups that existed in those periods are not found today or are in great reduced diversity.
In order for you to explain this evidence you have to maintain reliance on an escalating conjecture. Each speculative answer requires even further speculative answers to support the previous speculation. A house of cards.
Different things may have changed to adapt and adjust and grew larger or smaller or whatever, but they all remain their same kind. There is really nothing completely new that just sprang up. Everything had a forerunner that was here at the beginning and they are the kind that their first ones were.
FREE SERVANT

Duluth, GA

#116928 Jul 5, 2014
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Mere belief and not apparent unless you mean the laws of physics which the natural cycles follow.
You aren't really saying anything new regarding actual cycles, it is clumping it together and saying there is some supernatural force driving it all, when it is explained by physics, chemistry and biology.
Like I said you have a belief. You can't really support it though you seem to think you can and do.
Yes, I have a belief that God said for things to be and they are so. We can learn how patterns are shown to all things as how to best answer the command of God and living things unfold following patterned instructions which are rhythmically carried out in cycles. The Word of God is the power which created all natural things and they work to accomplish what he has said to be done.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116929 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Different things may have changed to adapt and adjust and grew larger or smaller or whatever, but they all remain their same kind. There is really nothing completely new that just sprang up. Everything had a forerunner that was here at the beginning and they are the kind that their first ones were.
Yes, we can traces all life to a very simple early life. And yes, nothing "just sprang up". We are apes, We share a common ancestor with other apes. We are simians, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we are mammals. We share a common ancestor with cows, whales, bats and cats. We are tetrapods. We share a common ancestor with lizards and amphibians. We are vertebrates we share a common ancestor with fish. I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.

Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't.
FREE SERVANT

Duluth, GA

#116930 Jul 5, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we can traces all life to a very simple early life. And yes, nothing "just sprang up". We are apes, We share a common ancestor with other apes. We are simians, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we are mammals. We share a common ancestor with cows, whales, bats and cats. We are tetrapods. We share a common ancestor with lizards and amphibians. We are vertebrates we share a common ancestor with fish. I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.
Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't.
Creationists mostly see the creation as described in the Bible as happening with all sorts of different kinds being fully formed at the very start of life on Earth, and they multiplied after their own kind from there.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#116931 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Creationists mostly see the creation as described in the Bible as happening with all sorts of different kinds being fully formed at the very start of life on Earth, and they multiplied after their own kind from there.
And they are wrong. They cannot even define the term "kind".

Once again all of the scientific evidence supports the theory of evolution. Creationists cannot even from a "hypothesis of creation" so by definition there is no scientific evidence for creation. And creationists do not need tp explain how creation occurred, the bar is nowhere hear that high. All they have to do is to explain the diversity of life as explained by a creationist position and they cannot do that.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#116932 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>You are mistaken about just scientist giving us all of our great inventions. Inventors come from all walks of life and independent thinking in a free country has given us most of the great new ideas and things we enjoy.
Not a very relevant post.
First of all the independent thinking came from science.
It became independent merely from RELIGION.
This began with the Greek, who stopped sticking their head in the religious writings of those days but started to LOOK AROUND to what REALLY IS HAPPENING. The let the things speak FOR THEMSELVES.

UNFORTUNATELY when the Roman empire collapsed, the Greek tradition perished and the bronze age caboodle from the goat herding tribe made it to Europe. Centuries of stagnation followed until in the Renaissance, meaning justly "Rebirth".

Since then progression in EVERY FIELD followed.
Because some people started to think INDEPENDENTLY indeed.
Independently from religion that is.
95% of our current knowledge and inventions are from those last 4 centuries.
wondering

Sunset, TX

#116933 Jul 5, 2014
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we can traces all life to a very simple early life. And yes, nothing "just sprang up". We are apes, We share a common ancestor with other apes. We are simians, we share a common ancestor with monkeys, we are mammals. We share a common ancestor with cows, whales, bats and cats. We are tetrapods. We share a common ancestor with lizards and amphibians. We are vertebrates we share a common ancestor with fish. I could take this all the way back to single cellular life. It is always kind reproducing kind.
Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't.
"Evolution says that kind gives rise to the the same kind. They have a working definition of kind. Creationists don't."

define kind and produce a working definition of kind.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#116934 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>Creationists mostly see the creation as described in the Bible as happening with all sorts of different kinds being fully formed at the very start of life on Earth, and they multiplied after their own kind from there.
the concept of "kind" has no single value in modern biology and hence it is not used.
It even has a proper definition.
Also the bible is to be found wrong on its ideas of "kinds multiplying after their own kind from the onset". It is refuted by every speck of evidence of biology, biochemistry, genetics and embryology.

This idea of yours is bronze age caboodle.

Since: May 14

the Earth Clod

#116935 Jul 5, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
Jesus gave those of us who follow his teachings certain commandments and he said that we should love one another. We as Christians may have different interpretations about many things in the Bible. but on this one commandment we should all agree.
Off topic.

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