Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 221272 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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FREE SERVANT
#83447 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yeah, sure...
OK then; Now I guess we can move on to the next big thing...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83448 Mar 28, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>OK then; Now I guess we can move on to the next big thing...
yeah, that fantasy of yours was certainly put to bed...

if you could only have found a shred of evidence to support it...

are you allergic to evidence?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#83449 Mar 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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I am. 64. Currently a supervisor in the networking department of a large public school district. Prior gig as a high school teacher. Also taught at every educational level.
How long has your pension been accruing taxpayer funds without you contributing to it? Just curious. Government pensions in PA have been solely taxpayer funded since 1982.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83450 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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How long has your pension been accruing taxpayer funds without you contributing to it? Just curious. Government pensions in PA have been solely taxpayer funded since 1982.
all of public school teachers' compensation is taxpayer funded. did you have a point?
Gillette

Packwood, IA

#83451 Mar 28, 2013
Mark wrote:
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You can attempt to answer every point to argue for your self-designed earth, moon, sun, geology, atmosphere, water and life if you wish.
I didn't say that it was "self" designed, only that no one appears to have designed it. You provide no evidence, just wishful religious thinking. You assume your conclusion in your premise.
Mark wrote:
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But each require convergence, convergence demands design, design demands a Designer. But you claim it all comes by mindless accidents? thatís functional, beautiful, original, and operational?
Bullshit Christian word games. "Requires convergence"? Who says? And WTH does that even MEAN?

The earth, moon, geology, stars etc. all came together according to the "convergence" of the extent laws of nature at the time, chiefly gravity in the case of the cosmological features.

Design may demand a designer, but first you need to prove anything was "designed." No luck so far. Arguments form incredulity don;t go very far with intelligent, educated opponents.
Mark wrote:
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The seas of earth would be a stagnate pond of sticky algae if it wasnít for the moon being the perfect size and in the orbit itís in. The tilt of the earth gives us seasons, the sun warmth and on and on.. Convergent Design!
No it's just the way things have happened. Life arose on the planet(s) where it can live. It has not arisen on worlds too close or too far away, etc. That's just reality. To claim that this is somehow proof of a divine deity overseeing everything is just silly.

If things had been different, life AS WE KNOW IT would not have arisen here. It might have arisen in some other form, or it probably has arisen in many places all around the universe.
Mark wrote:
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But with all the efforts of human "science", we can't even make a single human hair, we can't explain or replicate photosynthesis, nor make a single blade of grass in all the laboratories of the world! Yet we mock God while we enjoy all that allows us life, how sad, how foolish we are!
Now you are just preaching, not talking SCIENCE. And really, no one is interested in your beliefs.
Mark wrote:
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The evolutionist side lives on isotope dating because some samples provide the ages they agree with.
So much BS here. The age of the earth and the universe and biological evolution are all different issues. And there are MULTIPLE streams of data for EACH of the above phenomena that "converge" on the answer of "Old Earth" and "species evolve one from the other."
Mark wrote:
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On our side, we have to often use a third party carrier to get samples through to a lab, why?, because they donít want us to get the ammunition!
Err, no, it's because you lying Jesus Freaks have been caught manipulating samples and deliberately sending false samples on multiple occasions in order to get the results you want in advance.
Mark wrote:
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We worked on this subject for 5 years and faced the facts straight out but the results were ignored.(Rate Project).
You didn't try to publish them in respected, peer-reviewed scientific journals, but instead relied on triumphant tours of fundamentalist Christian churches. What kind of "science" is that? LOL!

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#83452 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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How long has your pension been accruing taxpayer funds without you contributing to it? Just curious. Government pensions in PA have been solely taxpayer funded since 1982.
15 years. I get your point. In Florida it was considered compensation for a relatively low salary. We have to contribute now.

I don't know of anyone getting the 'golden parachute' I keep hearing about.

Were you referring to SERS or PSERS?(I once built an access control system for PSERS in Harrisburg)
CBOW

Dover, PA

#83453 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>all of public school teachers' compensation is taxpayer funded. did you have a point?
NOOOOOOOO, of course, I only discussed that because that is Mike's profession. In 1982 ALL government workers, shovel leaners, sign holders Penndot workers, court attendents, all of them ended up with solely taxpayer funded pensions. Available to be collected after only 8-15 years on the job. Gee, no wonder the states are going bankrupt. Of course, you collect your fair share, don't you woody.
Gillette

Packwood, IA

#83454 Mar 28, 2013
Mark wrote:
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A very sharp team was on that committee. Look into it. Evo's will never publish multiple dating systems in their lit., it gets too complicated for them to also explain the lack of concordant dating results, in addition to their theme. We are supposed to blindly accept the data which is often +/- mils/Y because we are suppose to trust peer review. The fox watching the hen-house issue. I am not saying they purposely lie, its dogma.
The peer-review of scientific journals and the worldwide investigation by geologists into the research is not "blind acceptance."

And the guys on your RATE committee are "sharp" at deceptive, dishonest Christian apologetics thinly disguised as science.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83455 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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NOOOOOOOO, of course, I only discussed that because that is Mike's profession. In 1982 ALL government workers, shovel leaners, sign holders Penndot workers, court attendents, all of them ended up with solely taxpayer funded pensions. Available to be collected after only 8-15 years on the job. Gee, no wonder the states are going bankrupt. Of course, you collect your fair share, don't you woody.
No, you already lied about me enough, please don't do it anymore.

I see you still haven't apologized for your blatent lie about me..

why is that? is it OK for you to openly lie about someone if you feel like it?

must be that cult upbringing of yours, huh?

what a freakin hypocritical asshole!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83456 Mar 28, 2013
What else did you lie about CBOW? that fact that you own a company? the lie that you even have a job?

why should anyone ever believe anything you say ofter caught openly lying so much?
Gillette

Packwood, IA

#83457 Mar 28, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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The only point I was making was the uncertainty of accepted science mis-conceptions.
If such wide spread false beliefs in science are held without question, then all you have is scientific supported propagated dogma,not truth.
Science is self-correcting. Over the months and years, ideas that are not correct are eventually disproven and replaced by more correct understandings.

It;s a bit like a herd of geese moving in the same general direction, although here and there you can find individuals veering off or even going backwards for a time. Eventually, though, the whole flock sticks to the same direction.

The theories of an old earth and biological evolution have been standard, peer-reviewed science for 200 and 150 years respectively. They are NOT wrong, although new details are being discovered and fleshed out form year to year, often with vigorous debate.
Patriot

Nashville, TN

#83458 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>yeah...back when your mythical god told Moses it was OK to own other human beings...
your cult lied to you...again...
I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW ME AND EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD WHERE MOSES OWNED EVEN 1 SLAVE. See if your behind can cover the check your yapper wrote.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#83459 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>No, you already lied about me enough, please don't do it anymore.
I see you still haven't apologized for your blatent lie about me..
why is that? is it OK for you to openly lie about someone if you feel like it?
must be that cult upbringing of yours, huh?
what a freakin hypocritical asshole!
I do not have enough time between now and my next meeting to locate where you claimed to be a civil servant, I would though, in order to provide proof. That seems to be something you ignore and move on without so much as a whimper. You are a gubmint dependent and support the endless give aways that are crushing the working class in this country, admit it.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#83460 Mar 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
What else did you lie about CBOW? that fact that you own a company? the lie that you even have a job?
why should anyone ever believe anything you say ofter caught openly lying so much?
Why the double post woody. Afraid you will be ridiculed for being a gubmint dependent? I do indeed own a robotics company have for over 25 years. Did Navy ship parts contracts before that. Machine shop production is my history, what is yours; welfare, food stamps, gubmint housing, and finally SSD. mmmmmm If I believed in slavery, you would be here paying me back by washing my windows, pal.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83461 Mar 28, 2013
Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>I CHALLENGE YOU TO SHOW ME AND EVERYONE ON THIS THREAD WHERE MOSES OWNED EVEN 1 SLAVE. See if your behind can cover the check your yapper wrote.
Not too bright are you?

Nothing was said about Moses personally owning a slave. Moses supposedly set down the rules where your god supposedly said it was okay to own a slave.

Actually I believe that it is all fairy tales. God did not say it was okay to own slaves since god does not exist. Of course the God of the Bible says that it is fine to own a slave. You can even beat them severely. It is only a sin if you beat them too much. If you beat them and they die within two days that is a sin. If it takes longer for them to kick the bucket it was okay.

That is according to your Bible.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#83462 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Why the double post woody. Afraid you will be ridiculed for being a gubmint dependent? I do indeed own a robotics company have for over 25 years. Did Navy ship parts contracts before that. Machine shop production is my history, what is yours; welfare, food stamps, gubmint housing, and finally SSD. mmmmmm If I believed in slavery, you would be here paying me back by washing my windows, pal.
Geez! You really get pissy about this, don't you?

I bet you didn't mind taking government money from Mechanicsburg.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83463 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I do not have enough time between now and my next meeting to locate where you claimed to be a civil servant, I would though, in order to provide proof. That seems to be something you ignore and move on without so much as a whimper. You are a gubmint dependent and support the endless give aways that are crushing the working class in this country, admit it.
you will not find it as i never said it as i have never been one.

aa moral person would have actually found this mythical quote and then posted what you did. why didn't you do that?

answer: you are not a moral person. you are a lying sack of shit...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#83464 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Why the double post woody. Afraid you will be ridiculed for being a gubmint dependent? I do indeed own a robotics company have for over 25 years. Did Navy ship parts contracts before that. Machine shop production is my history, what is yours; welfare, food stamps, gubmint housing, and finally SSD. mmmmmm If I believed in slavery, you would be here paying me back by washing my windows, pal.
Why would anyone believe anything you say from now one , since you are a proven lying sack of crap?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#83465 Mar 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Geez! You really get pissy about this, don't you?
I bet you didn't mind taking government money from Mechanicsburg.
How did I take money from Mechanicsburg?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#83466 Mar 28, 2013
CBOW, did Moses have "servants". In the Bible the word "servant" means slave. So if Moses had servants he had slaves.

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