Evolution vs. Creation

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“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

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#71764 Jan 22, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>...
Animals don't have an awareness like humans do. Have you seen one get high? If they did who knows what could happen. lol....
I've seen a couple of wasted creatures....

http://www.livescience.com/26398-image-galler...

...and I've heard of some people getting pets high on herb.

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Since: Jan 13

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#71765 Jan 22, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
I wanted to see how you're going to explain how we were made from dust. And you haven't provided that. How did dust come to life?
We are descended from apes, which are in turn descended from the earliest mammals, which are in turn descended from reptiles which are in turn descended from amphibians which are in turn descended from fish which are in turn descended from the first chordates which are in turn descended from starfish believe it or not which are in turn descended from the earliest bacteria.

True story bro :D

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Since: Oct 12

Huntsville

#71766 Jan 22, 2013
Creation all the way, and hip hop.

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#71767 Jan 23, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we are talking about Evolution vs. Creation.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm the only person who has had the sense to challenge the liberal advocates who suggest that "homosexuality" is the product of evolution by the virtue of its presumed "positive" impact on a culture. Only I do it with logic, not bible thumping so stay out of my debates.
Natural selection is based on sexual reproduction. If there is no passing of the genes from one to the next generation, there will not be an inherited trait. Even if the detrimental effect of homosexual failure to procreate were not enough to prove the concept false, the plain-as-day fact that such a trait is inherently racist by its nature proves the false logic of the claim.
Genes are selfish, period! Groups overcome selfish instincts by experience, but trust is vulnerability sooner or later if the group behavior is not constantly relearned from generation to generation, and it must be learned far faster than evolution could ever adjust for. Trust is also a negative attribute if it is simply a behavior learned by misdirected sexual gratification, and has no ability to discern a valuable group member from a parasite.
There! You have a logical argument. Not that you'll ever be able to use to do anything other than bludgeon yourself under the table!
At first sight it does appear that a "gay gene" would be a contradiction in evolutionary terms. However, there are other examples of genes (really alleles) that are advantageous when one of the pair inherited from the parents has it, but deleterious when both do.

The gene conferring malarial resistance causes sickle cell anemia when inherited from both sides. This means it reaches an equilibrium in the population, conferring a net benefit so long as its not too prevalent. So it will never dominate, but never disappear either (unless a better solution evolves). There are other examples.

What if an allele that conferred some creative or other advantage in a single copy, causes homosexuality when inherited from both sides? This IS pure speculation, but its logically within the bounds of possibility.

On a completely different note. There is homosexuality. Those who are homosexual do not seem to have much choice in the matter. So WTF business is it to do with anyone else if they decide to do what they do? Its a victimless activity. Even gay marriage has NO impact on straight marriage. So who cares? Only those who fear its somehow contagious. Let it go.

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#71768 Jan 23, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I reject that in Jesus name, amen!
The bible says, train up a child in the ways he or she will grow(give him or her the right morals) and they will never depart or deviate from that.
Actually pretty much every culture on earth has always said raising a child properly will (usually) result in a more morally upright person.

It didn't take the Bible to point out the obvious.

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#71770 Jan 23, 2013
Cybele wrote:
what about Evolution + Creation?
Maybe Evolutionary theory can be reconciled with some other Creation story, but not with the Genesis account.
According to the Genesis account, God created the great whales before he created the beasts of the earth.
Mainstream scientists tell us that the great whales are evolved from the beasts of the earth.
According to the Genesis account, God created the fowls of the air before he created the beasts of the earth.
Mainstream scientists tell us that the fowls of the air are descended from the beasts of the earth.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#71771 Jan 23, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I've seen a couple of wasted creatures....
http://www.livescience.com/26398-image-galler...
...and I've heard of some people getting pets high on herb.
I knew that.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71772 Jan 23, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you are right but I don't think religion is necessary for one to achieve a higher perception of reality. I'm not religious but I'm spiritual. There is a difference.
Animals don't have an awareness like humans do. Have you seen one get high? If they did who knows what could happen. lol
Although I consider animals to be somewhat spiritual. They do mourn for the dead and do burial rituals. Elephants are one good example of that. It's just in a different level than humans.
The point is delusions may have resulted from altered consciousness. The pharaohs of Egypt believed they were reincarnate of the Gods. And I believe they tried substances to achieve such altered states. Heard of presences of drugs in mummies?
The drugs were found to have South American origins as well. DId you know that the pyramids were alters?

Since: Mar 12

Dubai, UAE

#71774 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The drugs were found to have South American origins as well. DId you know that the pyramids were alters?
So the pharoahs were searching for altered states?

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#71775 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The drugs were found to have South American origins as well. DId you know that the pyramids were alters?
Tombs.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71776 Jan 23, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
All things are evident unto themselves...only man requires evidence.
Yup. And since we ARE human...(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71777 Jan 23, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
So no game? Yet you list here your belief of what man is made from.
So why ask? You're just a typical lying atheist. I see through you like a a plate glass window. You atheist sure like your little games.
Bub, you couldn't see an elephant if you were stuck in the middle of a herd.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71778 Jan 23, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes you think I'm an atheist?
Why, you simply disagreed with him of course!

:-p
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71779 Jan 23, 2013
Langoliers wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't need to provide that. You can look that up very easy.
What's to look up? MAGIC POOF! GODDIDIT! That pretty much covers it.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#71780 Jan 23, 2013
RappinRollerCoaster wrote:
Creation all the way, and hip hop.
Hip hop? Just when ya thought creationism couldn't get any worse!

Thought it was bad enough when they started doing Christian rock.
FREE SERVANT

Bellevue, WA

#71781 Jan 23, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Tombs.
For the priest of the alters......

“The Intrepid”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#71782 Jan 23, 2013
anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we are talking about Evolution vs. Creation.
In case you haven't noticed, I'm the only person who has had the sense to challenge the liberal advocates who suggest that "homosexuality" is the product of evolution by the virtue of its presumed "positive" impact on a culture. Only I do it with logic, not bible thumping so stay out of my debates.
Natural selection is based on sexual reproduction. If there is no passing of the genes from one to the next generation, there will not be an inherited trait. Even if the detrimental effect of homosexual failure to procreate were not enough to prove the concept false, the plain-as-day fact that such a trait is inherently racist by its nature proves the false logic of the claim.
Genes are selfish, period! Groups overcome selfish instincts by experience, but trust is vulnerability sooner or later if the group behavior is not constantly relearned from generation to generation, and it must be learned far faster than evolution could ever adjust for. Trust is also a negative attribute if it is simply a behavior learned by misdirected sexual gratification, and has no ability to discern a valuable group member from a parasite.
There! You have a logical argument. Not that you'll ever be able to use to do anything other than bludgeon yourself under the table!
Homosexuality has no positive impact on any culture.
anonymous

Franklin, PA

#71783 Jan 23, 2013
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
At first sight it does appear that a "gay gene" would be a contradiction in evolutionary terms. However, there are other examples of genes (really alleles) that are advantageous when one of the pair inherited from the parents has it, but deleterious when both do.
The gene conferring malarial resistance causes sickle cell anemia when inherited from both sides. This means it reaches an equilibrium in the population, conferring a net benefit so long as its not too prevalent. So it will never dominate, but never disappear either (unless a better solution evolves). There are other examples.
What if an allele that conferred some creative or other advantage in a single copy, causes homosexuality when inherited from both sides? This IS pure speculation, but its logically within the bounds of possibility.
On a completely different note. There is homosexuality. Those who are homosexual do not seem to have much choice in the matter. So WTF business is it to do with anyone else if they decide to do what they do? Its a victimless activity. Even gay marriage has NO impact on straight marriage. So who cares? Only those who fear its somehow contagious. Let it go.
The explanation is right before you. If a good quality becomes bad when combined with much the same, than it would be of limited value to the genome.

Also, there has been no genetic definition on the condition. As I've already stated, it's more of a symptom than a specific illness, or if there is an overwhelming statistical observation to be made, it's not genetic, nor is it even demonstrated to be advantageous to the community.

So really, there are two points. First, a medical condition is not something that I'd subvert science and the community over. Second, the issue of marriage is not victimless. It places a higher tax burden on those in the minority who do not receive tax breaks. This is really the typical liberal perspective where the budget is based on an always growing tax base, which is an illusion.

I think everyone who is going to accept evolution on this thread has long since done so. The rest have made their choices for other reasons. Virtually everyone has made a political choice. That is why I'm fine with adding the necessary imbalance in politics required to put science in proper perspective. Not too much of an obsession, but nobody seems willing to let it go, are they?

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#71784 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>The drugs were found to have South American origins as well. DId you know that the pyramids were alters?
I read that ancient Egyptian mommies put fly feces in their babies' milk to sedate them and keep them from crying.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#71785 Jan 23, 2013
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>For the priest of the alters......
For the Pharaohs.

Why are pyramids all over the world the same shape?

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