Gun control advocates ask Staten Island's Grimm to help close background check loopholes

Nov 23, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: SILive.com

Gun control advocates called on U.S. Rep. Michael Grimm Saturday to lend his support as a co-sponsor to legislation that expand gun background checks to Internet and gun show sales.

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"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[United States v.] Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

Justice Scalia
This Century
Speaking for the majority
Heller Decision
from the Supreme Court of the United States
Where did Scalia find all those restrictions in one single sentence ? You would think he was preparing to round-up another group of Americans, again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._Uni...

The 2nd amendment was originally written to be applied to the federal govt. Scalia now tells us the States can regulate our weapons to the degree the feds can easily oppress us into, of all things, INTERNMENT Camps.

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Nov 25, 2013
 
At least FOUR communists are on the Supreme Court, Telling Americans they can't keep and bear arms.

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Nov 26, 2013
 
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Background checks are all well and good... but the legislation never passes because IT DOESN'T END THERE!
The reason that the recent attempts to increase gun control failed is because they always try to include more, including gun registration.
"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
-Adolph Hitler, 1935, on The Weapons Act of Nazi Germany
In contrast:
"Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer, but the right answer. Let us not seek to fix the blame for the past. Let us accept our own responsibility for the future."
-John F. Kennedy
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The point is... let's learn from history. Let's pay attention to the mistakes that have been made in the past.
Let's listen to the words of a tyrant and learn from them.
Let's listen to the words of a man that died because he wasn't a tyrant or a partisan hack.
We can learn a lot from Hitler & JFK even though they're long gone.
Please explain why [Russian originated] "Background checks are all well and good"? When We The People's Constitution expressly declares:

"The Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT be infringed."

How can the government 'legally' do something it was expressly Constitutionally FORBIDDEN from doing? Oh, that's right - they CANNOT.

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you are a real RE_TARD......next time, do some research
This year will go down in history! For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!”–Adolf Hitler, 1935
Trouble is, Hitler never made such a speech in 1935. Nor is there any record that he ever spoke these particular words at all. This little “speech” was obviously written for him, many years after his death, by someone who wanted you to believe that gun registration is Hitler-evil.
No, you mindless troll, >YOU< do some research:

The Nazis' Gun Ban Facilitated Kristallnact

by Stephen Halbrook

11-25-13

This month marks the seventy-fifth anniversary of the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, the Nazi pogrom against Germany’s Jews in November 1938. Historians have documented everything about it except what made it so easy to attack the defenseless Jews without fear of resistance. Their guns were registered and were easily confiscated in the weeks before the onslaught.

How this was possible can be seen through the eyes of one of the countless victims, who happened to be a renowned German athlete. Alfred Flatow won first place in gymnastics at the 1896 Olympics. In 1932, he dutifully registered three handguns as required by a decree of the Weimar Republic. The decree also provided that, if “public safety” so required, the guns could be confiscated. Officials gullibly neglected to consider that only law-abiding citizens would register, while political extremists and criminals would not. But the interior minister warned that the gun registration records must be carefully secured so they would not fall into the hands of extremist elements.

The ultimate extremist group led by Adolf Hitler seized power just a year later, in 1933. The Nazis immediately used the firearm registration records to identify, disarm, and attack “enemies of the state,” a euphemism for Social Democrats and political opponents of all types, who were invariably castigated as “Communists.” Search and seizure operations were conducted for guns and “subversive” literature in Jewish communities and working class neighborhoods....
http://hnn.us/article/154043

Go take a long walk off a short pier, sycophant.

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At least FOUR communists are on the Supreme Court, Telling Americans they can't keep and bear arms.
And we are under NO obligation to take heed of ANYTHING they dictate.

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No, you mindless troll, >YOU< do some research:
You don't know the difference between slander and libel, didn't know Delaware was a slave state, and even when you move the goalpost to completely off topic DavyQSpam, you get it wrong.

NAZI's relaxed gun controls, Spoogebreath, and the USA made it illegal for German citizens to own guns.

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Please explain why [Russian originated] "Background checks are all well and good"?
You pulled it out of your azz.

I guess it took you a while to pull out all those carrots first, eh?

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And we are under NO obligation to take heed of ANYTHING they dictate.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

You are such an idiot.

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Where did Scalia find all those restrictions in one single sentence ?
All what restriction, shug?

I cannot help those who cannot read fifth grade English.

PS: Her was speaking for the majority of SCOTUS in this ruling.

But we can put you down in insisting the HELLER ruling was wrong.

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--Syllabus, SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, 60 U.S. 393
Scott v. Sandford.
Besides not remotely having anything to do with the previous post...
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August 1, 1899.
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I'm not the one stuck in the 1800's troll, >you< are.

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You don't know the difference between slander and libel, didn't know Delaware was a slave state, and even when you move the goalpost to completely off topic DavyQSpam, you get it wrong.
NAZI's relaxed gun controls, Spoogebreath, and the USA made it illegal for German citizens to own guns.
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Mindless deceptive spew, from a mindless deceptive troll. Gee, you just can't seem to win, can you troll-princess? And no amount of your vain babbling is going to alter that fact.

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All what restriction, shug?
I cannot help those who cannot read fifth grade English.
PS: Her was speaking for the majority of SCOTUS in this ruling.
But we can put you down in insisting the HELLER ruling was wrong.
You're so flustered that you can't even post right. How about going back to your cell in the ward until the Thorazine wears off, OK 'hon'?

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
You are such an idiot.
Promise you'll see this again.
"When any court violates the clean and unambiguous language of the Constitution, a fraud is perpetrated and NO ONE is bound to obey it."--State v Sutton,[Source: 63 Minn 167, 65 NW 262, 30 LRA 630]

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You pulled it out of your azz.
I guess it took you a while to pull out all those carrots first, eh?
"Russia keeps closer tabs on firearms than any other nation. The purchaser of a weapon must first obtain a permit from the authorities. The purchaser's name and the number of the weaopon are officially recored. Thee authorties must be notified of any subsequent sale or gift of the weapon, and a record of the transfer is entered....."

[The Suburban Citizen, Washington, D.C., Saturday, January 11, 1902. Vol. 13. No. 2. Pg. 2]

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You pulled it out of your azz.
I guess it took you a while to pull out all those carrots first, eh?
"The carrying of firearms in Russia is only permitted after an official investigation of the character of the person who requests the privilege. His name and the number of the weapon are recorded. Should he afterward desire to dispose of the weapon he must notify the authorities and cause the transfer to be entered on the public records."

[The Phillipsburg Herald, Phillipsburg, Kansas, Saturday, April 19, 1902. Vol. XXIII. No. 25. Pg. 4]

Hmmmm, "after an official investigation" you say? You mean like the N.I.C.S. Background check? Only now, the traitors in high places want to EXPAND that 'background check' to more closely model it after the Russian example set above. For it is precisely that which the federal government wants to accomplish with an 'expanded background checks' scheme.

Just think, it was only a mere 3 years after the above article was posted that [the little heard of] 1905 Russian Revolution occurred. And 15 years before Russia went full-blown communist. And our perverse government wants to follow the precedent set by pre-SOVIET RUSSIA? I don't think so, not in this Constitutional Republic....

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Mindless deceptive spew, from a mindless deceptive troll.
Funny how you keep moving the goalposts, troll.

Slander and libel... still waiting.

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"Now for the qualification of these remarks, he would refer to the amendment to the Constitution which had already been read as follows: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Why this was intended to convey to individuals certain personal rights. This is a personal right reserved to individuals to bear arms; this was adopted to grant to every man the shield of self defence."

- Mr. Walter Forward, Oct. 3, 1837 Pennsylvania Constitutional Convention.[THE CONVENTION OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA TO PROPOSE AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION COMMENCED AT HARRISBURG MAY 2 1837, VOL IV. Pages 96-97]. Mr. Forward,(January 24, 1786 – November 24, 1852), was an American lawyer and politician. Elected to the 17th Congress in 1822, and reelected to the 18th Congress. He was appointed on March 6, 1841 by President William Henry Harrison to be First Comptroller of the Treasury. Served in that post until September 13, 1841. And was then appointed 15th U.S. Secretary of the Treasury by President John Tyler).

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Oct. 3, 1837
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I'm not the one stuck in the 1800's troll, >you< are.

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Correct. I never post spam. Only truly pertinent historical data which affirms the right to keep and bear arms by We The People. Now >you< on the other hand, all you do is "spam". For you don't have ANY FACTS which refute ACTUAL REALITY.

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