Did the debt ceiling fight teach the ...

Did the debt ceiling fight teach the tea party a lesson?

There are 567 comments on the The Washington Post story from Feb 12, 2014, titled Did the debt ceiling fight teach the tea party a lesson?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Molly Ball ends her column on how tea party members of Congress, despite their best intentions, have finally learned how government works with this: This is how Washington works: Certain things have to get done, and you try to get the best deal you can, and then move on to the next thing.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

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#405 Feb 21, 2014
Solid wrote:
I love how everybody likes to play the blame game
I really don't care who did what in the past .
I'm looking for what is being done now !
The only president that matters is the one in office
And he is doing in my opinion nothing for this country . From day one Obama has been a liar
And that all he has ever done " he lies "
Look at his campaign before 08 and look at how he changed as soon as he won . You will see a liar ! You can not trust a liar .
If we are ever going to find real and lasting solutions we must, as uncomfortable as it may be for some, analyze with honesty and integrity what has worked and has not worked and sometimes that means blame.

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#406 Feb 21, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>The ONLY way to fully REPAY the DEBT as you seemingly have personally GUARANTEED, is to increase taxes, reduce spending, or a combination of both. The last time America's debt ever decreased was in 1957. Since then, it has increased each and every year. So much for your hollow guarantee.
I didn't guarantee it because of my abilities; I guarantee it because of the American people. It doesn't matter what it takes it will be paid!
Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#407 Feb 21, 2014
Curiosityforever wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't guarantee it because of my abilities; I guarantee it because of the American people. It doesn't matter what it takes it will be paid!
As I said, your guarantee is utterly WORTHLESS because the national debt has NOT been reduced in ANY given year since 1957. Back then, the total national debt was $257 billion dollars which is now the equivalent to 2/3rds of what this nations spends on interest each and every year.

There is no current movement or impetus to repay the debt. Even if the government came forward with a plan to repay the debt, Americans would be repulsed at the idea of having to repay debt that they personally did not approve of or even benefit as a result.

It's painfully clear that your assertions are more patriotic than anything peculiar knowledge of the national debt. Some day, not long from now, you'll awaken to realize that America is really a nation of deadbeats looking for someone else to pay the tab.

Educate yourself and Google Argentinian Collapse or Zimbabwe Collapse or Hungarian collapse or Weimar Republic. Every nation of the world is using fiat currency which means it is nothing more than paper backed by nothing. Eventually, countries and even citizens will lose faith in the dollar and it will collapse. For now, the idea is to just juice the system with more paper and keep the game going. This will end. Based on historical standards, it will end badly.
Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#408 Feb 21, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>
barock added more debt than all 43 of his predecessors.
This statement is knowingly false. Obama entered office with a cumulative BUSH debt total of $10.6 trillion. Show me a source to demonstrate your assertion. You posted this earlier in this same thread and was debunked. You are either a roboposter or simply are cutting and pasting a collection of favorite boilerplate posts that you have used many times in the past.

I'm waiting for that source because I know there isn't a reliable one.

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#409 Feb 21, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>As I said, your guarantee is utterly WORTHLESS because the national debt has NOT been reduced in ANY given year since 1957. Back then, the total national debt was $257 billion dollars which is now the equivalent to 2/3rds of what this nations spends on interest each and every year.

There is no current movement or impetus to repay the debt. Even if the government came forward with a plan to repay the debt, Americans would be repulsed at the idea of having to repay debt that they personally did not approve of or even benefit as a result.

It's painfully clear that your assertions are more patriotic than anything peculiar knowledge of the national debt. Some day, not long from now, you'll awaken to realize that America is really a nation of deadbeats looking for someone else to pay the tab.

Educate yourself and Google Argentinian Collapse or Zimbabwe Collapse or Hungarian collapse or Weimar Republic. Every nation of the world is using fiat currency which means it is nothing more than paper backed by nothing. Eventually, countries and even citizens will lose faith in the dollar and it will collapse. For now, the idea is to just juice the system with more paper and keep the game going. This will end. Based on historical standards, it will end badly.
I don't doubt that there may be a collapse or an extreme struggle. The youth of this country are going to hit a brick wall at very high speed. The debt however must be paid in order for the next generation to have any life worthwhile and the need to survive and thrive will overcome the challenge of what to do about it.

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#410 Feb 21, 2014
Taxed enough already? Not near enough! The past generation spent their entire lives running up personal and public debt and now the new guard is coming in and demanding you settle up and you would tear the country to shreds before living up to your responsibility. Obama has increased the debt along with everyone else and the next president will too. You will pay your bills and that's just a fact!

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

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#411 Feb 21, 2014
Truth it wrote:
<quoted text>
The corporate corrupt healthcare insurance industry has been forcing good doctors out of medicine for decades when the ACA gets fixed it will help bring them back.
Make no mistake - future Congresses will enact additional legislation to improve the ACA - as the first incarnation was seriously flawed due to sabotage by the Republicans and the healthcare insurance industry.
Repeal will never happen. Time to lose your pipe dream and your crack pipe.
ODS = Obama Derangement Syndrome. Know and admit to your disease then you can start to get better.
0failurecare just made it more corporate and corrupt.

wtg barock!
John Smorrow

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#412 Feb 21, 2014
can U kids mov on the Debt Collector DC!!! ;-00

sign by David Obey;)
John Smorrow

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#413 Feb 21, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>
0failurecare just made it more corporate and corrupt.
wtg barock!
barock wil drinking more Tee & American paylater with 12%interest ray for Mi;-00
Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#414 Feb 21, 2014
Curiosityforever wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't doubt that there may be a collapse or an extreme struggle. The youth of this country are going to hit a brick wall at very high speed. The debt however must be paid in order for the next generation to have any life worthwhile and the need to survive and thrive will overcome the challenge of what to do about it.
It seems that you just don't get it. The difference between us is that I am a realist based on experience and the ways of the world and the only thing you bring to the table is hope likely because you are very young.

In 1971, the US departed from the Gold standard which pegged the value of the US dollar to the amount of gold in US possession. There was a lot of fingerpointing and excuses, but the bottom line was that this opened the floodgates for money printing and debt because the dollar had become a fiat currency as a result.

In the 80's, I was probably the ONLY fan of David Stockman who was Reagan's White House Budget Direct at the OMB. He was the only guy who stood up to these worthless spendthrifts. Back then, the few hundred billion they were borrowing, printing, and spending each year was huge. But this was early in our nation's new borrow, print, and spend scheme. As a result, more people were employed and Reagan was hailed as a hero. But these were the early days, where America was known as the largest CREDITOR nation on the planet. By 1985, America became the largest DEBTOR nation on earth and we haven't looked back since.

Your government, regardless of what you believe or hope for, is not going to repay the debt. In their view, such a move would simply be throwing good money after bad. Instead, they will do precisely what they have been doing since the 70's and that is to inflate our way out of the debt. Of course, if you are a saver, then you're screwed.

In 2008, the financial collapse sent a warning to everyone that had money. The warning was that this is the END GAME. The Federal Reserve has kept interest rates at 0% for the past 5 years and this will continue forever just like Japan who has done this since the early 90s.

The wealthiest households getting wealthier and the middle and lower classes going nowhere or getting worse. This is the direct result of the FEDERAL RESERVE policies who couldn't care less about unemployment or inflation. Since the government ultimately controls both figures they can tell you whatever they want each month. Meanwhile, the wealthy are building up as much money as they can because when a mass default or currency revaluation takes place, they will survive.

For example, suppose I have a billion dollars and you have a million dollars today. Tomorrow, the US dollar collapses and our money is worth half of what it is today. You would be worth $500,000 and I would be worth $500 million. This is why consumer spending is stagnant and jobs and real investment is very, very slow. People with money know we are not far from it all hitting the fan and want to be prepared.

It's specious to doubt that "there may be a collapse or an extreme struggle" when the likelihood of this is very high. Hyperinflation is a possibility although many are just betting on deflation which the FEDERAL RESERVE believes is even worse. The bottom line is that we no longer have a FREE MARKET SOCIETY anymore and you shouldn't believe anyone that tells you we do.

For what it's worth, Stockman has a new book out from last year titled, The Great Deformation. Go to Youtube and look for David Stockman videos in the last year because I doubt that you could really handle his 700 page book. The Youtube videos really encapsulate how irreversible the mess we are in really is and how our future is done.
conservative crapola

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

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#416 Feb 22, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
off-topic dumbospam. flagged.
Au Contraire

Owasso, OK

#417 Feb 22, 2014
Ah poor puffer, won't anyone play with your any more. Oh well you can play with yourself as usual
conservative crapola

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

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#418 Feb 22, 2014
Au Contraire wrote:
The pussa from owussa...hiding behind the another name. LMAO.

Since: Feb 14

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#419 Feb 22, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>It seems that you just don't get it. The difference between us is that I am a realist based on experience and the ways of the world and the only thing you bring to the table is hope likely because you are very young.

In 1971, the US departed from the Gold standard which pegged the value of the US dollar to the amount of gold in US possession. There was a lot of fingerpointing and excuses, but the bottom line was that this opened the floodgates for money printing and debt because the dollar had become a fiat currency as a result.

In the 80's, I was probably the ONLY fan of David Stockman who was Reagan's White House Budget Direct at the OMB. He was the only guy who stood up to these worthless spendthrifts. Back then, the few hundred billion they were borrowing, printing, and spending each year was huge. But this was early in our nation's new borrow, print, and spend scheme. As a result, more people were employed and Reagan was hailed as a hero. But these were the early days, where America was known as the largest CREDITOR nation on the planet. By 1985, America became the largest DEBTOR nation on earth and we haven't looked back since.

Your government, regardless of what you believe or hope for, is not going to repay the debt. In their view, such a move would simply be throwing good money after bad. Instead, they will do precisely what they have been doing since the 70's and that is to inflate our way out of the debt. Of course, if you are a saver, then you're screwed.

In 2008, the financial collapse sent a warning to everyone that had money. The warning was that this is the END GAME. The Federal Reserve has kept interest rates at 0% for the past 5 years and this will continue forever just like Japan who has done this since the early 90s.

The wealthiest households getting wealthier and the middle and lower classes going nowhere or getting worse. This is the direct result of the FEDERAL RESERVE policies who couldn't care less about unemployment or inflation. Since the government ultimately controls both figures they can tell you whatever they want each month. Meanwhile, the wealthy are building up as much money as they can because when a mass default or currency revaluation takes place, they will survive.

For example, suppose I have a billion dollars and you have a million dollars today. Tomorrow, the US dollar collapses and our money is worth half of what it is today. You would be worth $500,000 and I would be worth $500 million. This is why consumer spending is stagnant and jobs and real investment is very, very slow. People with money know we are not far from it all hitting the fan and want to be prepared.

It's specious to doubt that "there may be a collapse or an extreme struggle" when the likelihood of this is very high. Hyperinflation is a possibility although many are just betting on deflation which the FEDERAL RESERVE believes is even worse. The bottom line is that we no longer have a FREE MARKET SOCIETY anymore and you shouldn't believe anyone that tells you we do.

For what it's worth, Stockman has a new book out from last year titled, The Great Deformation. Go to Youtube and look for David Stockman videos in the last year because I doubt that you could really handle his 700 page book. The Youtube videos really encapsulate how irreversible the mess we are in really is and how our future is done.
Your generation voted in Republicans and democrats that ran up the debt. Pay your bills.

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#420 Feb 22, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>It seems that you just don't get it. The difference between us is that I am a realist based on experience and the ways of the world and the only thing you bring to the table is hope likely because you are very young.

In 1971, the US departed from the Gold standard which pegged the value of the US dollar to the amount of gold in US possession. There was a lot of fingerpointing and excuses, but the bottom line was that this opened the floodgates for money printing and debt because the dollar had become a fiat currency as a result.

In the 80's, I was probably the ONLY fan of David Stockman who was Reagan's White House Budget Direct at the OMB. He was the only guy who stood up to these worthless spendthrifts. Back then, the few hundred billion they were borrowing, printing, and spending each year was huge. But this was early in our nation's new borrow, print, and spend scheme. As a result, more people were employed and Reagan was hailed as a hero. But these were the early days, where America was known as the largest CREDITOR nation on the planet. By 1985, America became the largest DEBTOR nation on earth and we haven't looked back since.

Your government, regardless of what you believe or hope for, is not going to repay the debt. In their view, such a move would simply be throwing good money after bad. Instead, they will do precisely what they have been doing since the 70's and that is to inflate our way out of the debt. Of course, if you are a saver, then you're screwed.

In 2008, the financial collapse sent a warning to everyone that had money. The warning was that this is the END GAME. The Federal Reserve has kept interest rates at 0% for the past 5 years and this will continue forever just like Japan who has done this since the early 90s.

The wealthiest households getting wealthier and the middle and lower classes going nowhere or getting worse. This is the direct result of the FEDERAL RESERVE policies who couldn't care less about unemployment or inflation. Since the government ultimately controls both figures they can tell you whatever they want each month. Meanwhile, the wealthy are building up as much money as they can because when a mass default or currency revaluation takes place, they will survive.

For example, suppose I have a billion dollars and you have a million dollars today. Tomorrow, the US dollar collapses and our money is worth half of what it is today. You would be worth $500,000 and I would be worth $500 million. This is why consumer spending is stagnant and jobs and real investment is very, very slow. People with money know we are not far from it all hitting the fan and want to be prepared.

It's specious to doubt that "there may be a collapse or an extreme struggle" when the likelihood of this is very high. Hyperinflation is a possibility although many are just betting on deflation which the FEDERAL RESERVE believes is even worse. The bottom line is that we no longer have a FREE MARKET SOCIETY anymore and you shouldn't believe anyone that tells you we do.

For what it's worth, Stockman has a new book out from last year titled, The Great Deformation. Go to Youtube and look for David Stockman videos in the last year because I doubt that you could really handle his 700 page book. The Youtube videos really encapsulate how irreversible the mess we are in really is and how our future is done.
Your generation voted in Republicans and Democrats who ran up the debt. Pay your bills.
Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#421 Feb 22, 2014
Curiosityforever wrote:
<quoted text>
Your generation voted in Republicans and Democrats who ran up the debt. Pay your bills.
Make them. They'll be long gone by the time your generation even gets organized enough to make a difference. You seem to forget that all of us were your age once and felt the same way. In 20 or 30 years, you'll come to the same realization as the rest of us have a long time ago.

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

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#422 Feb 22, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Fox News Poll: 66 percent say Congress should continue to investigate Benghazi
Dana Blanton
By Dana Blanton
It should be higher.

They need to check out Morell.
Cat74

Bolingbrook, IL

#423 Feb 22, 2014
Martha Stewart went to jail for doing less then Morell did to Congress. Time to ship him off to eat din din on the tin tin.

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#425 Feb 22, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>
Make them. They'll be long gone by the time your generation even gets organized enough to make a difference. You seem to forget that all of us were your age once and felt the same way. In 20 or 30 years, you'll come to the same realization as the rest of us have a long time ago.
...Amen....
Cat74

Bolingbrook, IL

#426 Feb 22, 2014
Except my generation are not left over pot heads from the 60s still trying to avoid reality.

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