Why are we all so afraid of allowing gay marriage?

[Ms Suki]

Honestly speaking, it really shouldn't matter what is going on in other peoples lives if there not being hurt, or harmed. When you think about it, it could really be in a person's dna. The same way a person has a black baby and a white baby. Some people are born iking the same sex. It reay don't matter to me, I'm not in there bed.

Homosexuals have some of the best parties.

[BlueLamp]

scout wrote:

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Blue, I keep writing you about 1 Thess, but you ignore what is written. The Matt scripture is for hypocrites/and sons of Satan, as yourself, 1 Thess is for the elect.

Right. God made sure to include scriptures for hypocrites and sons of satan in the bible, LOL.

You need serious help.

[scout]

BlueLamp wrote:

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Right. God made sure to include scriptures for hypocrites and sons of satan in the bible, LOL.
You need serious help.

It's Christ's program, afterall. I see that Satan continues to think he knows more than his God.

[scout]

Blue, deep down inside your demented brain, have you ever felt a little spike of knowledge that states that I know what I'm talking about?

[ltndncr59]

scout wrote:

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Insanity, child molestation, social destruction, family destruction, true religious destruction, subjugation of women, to name a few.
Satan has until 5.21.11 to rule this world, then, Armageddon.

Insanity and child molestation are hardly synonomous with homosexuality. Subjugation of women? You must have a truly LARGE ass to have pulled that one out. You must have momentarily confused homosexuality with Christianity. The rest are figments of your imagination that have no substance in real life.
And do you REALLY think that you are the first one to prophesy Armageddon? Many have, and no one has been right yet.

[ltndncr59]

Ms Suki wrote:

Honestly speaking, it really shouldn't matter what is going on in other peoples lives if there not being hurt, or harmed. When you think about it, it could really be in a person's dna. The same way a person has a black baby and a white baby. Some people are born iking the same sex. It reay don't matter to me, I'm not in there bed.
Homosexuals have some of the best parties.

And YOU are invited to ALL of them! Peace and love, my dear!

[BlueLamp]

scout wrote:

Blue, deep down inside your demented brain, have you ever felt a little spike of knowledge that states that I know what I'm talking about?

No, there's not even the tiniest smidgen of knowledge that says somehow you would be able to know the day that the world will end or that Christ will come, in violation of Biblical scripture that says not even Christ himself knows, not even the Holy Spirit knows, but only God, the Father in Heaven knows.

The fact that you think you know shows only how mentally ill you must be...no different than someone who clings to astrology, the tarot, or witchcraft, to feel like they have some control over life, some advantage over others, in an attempt to circumvent the natural human purpose for living...because living for you and the life God granted you...somehow it's not enough.

[BlueLamp]

scout wrote:

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It's Christ's program, afterall. I see that Satan continues to think he knows more than his God.

That's a fantastic excuse to present anyone and everyone who approaches you with any semblance of sanity.

Get professional help.

[polymath257]

Boony68 wrote:

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Oh..I dont know...Maybe because Im straight ?

Heh. So am I, but my girlfriend could enjoy two guys at the same time, can't she?

[polymath257]

scout wrote:

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There is zero guess work, zero 'visions,' etc., about the above date. Completely Biblical, and as far as I know, the only warning available is the date,(meaning I would like Christ to show more strength PRIOR to the date, but He does NOT want the set-aside any other than the elect).
I am very upset but the date is the truth. May Christ have mercy upon all people.

And so I ask you again. If this does not come to pass, will you agree that your vision of the world is wrong? Will you give up the myth of Christianity in that case?

[allie topeka]

people, do you realize what your type of christianity does to people? what your hate does? i just read about a south carolina father, who beat his son with a baseball bat, because he is gay!! you find this acceptable? gay people are not the haters here! what kind of god would condone this type of behavior? you are worried about homosexuality destroying families? social destruction? child molestation? you need to look at yourselves, not homosexuals!

[BlueLamp]

fedupwiththemess wrote:

It opens the doors to all other immoral things to go on. Next animal marriage will take place, sibbling marriage will take place...the sky is the limit.

You're obviously confusing sexuality with paraphilias. But there are many obvious differences:

1. Sexuality presents itself in puberty, paraphilias present at all different ages.

2. Paraphilias always have an identifiable cause. Sexualities never have an identifiable cause.

3. Paraphilias are harmful to the victim and to the afflicted. Sexualities are not harmful.

4. Paraphilias are treatable...and the results of change can be shown clearly on a penile plethysmograph. Sexuality has never been shown to change on a plethysmograph.

5. Paraphilias exist on top of a person's sexuality. Homosexuality does not exist on top of heterosexuality. If it did there would be no such thing as homosexuality, there would just be bisexuality.

6. Paraphilias involve ONE condition - attraction to something different from the norm. Homosexuality involves TWO conditions - attraction to something different from the norm AND complete absence of attraction to the opposite sex. If upbringing or choice were the cause or if the condition was treatable, we we would see far more people with either one condition or the other, i.e., bisexuals and asexuals - and homosexuality would be relatively rare. But that's not the case. It is asexuality that is rare and homosexuals are relatively common.

[allie topeka]

Arnie wrote:

Hadn't you heard? Your hate based political charade has been exposed as the fraud that it is:
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that permits the oxymoron.
Homosexuals are NOT the same as other people. They seldom form longterm exclusive relationships, often completely obsess on perversion, and have much elevated rates of many diseases and social ills. THIS is the reality.
No homosexual "marriage" is recognized by the US Government. We have a democratically established national definition of marriage as solely between one man and one woman.
No law could ever make even one homosexual relationship into a real marriage. It is of course ludicrous to claim that "equal rights" are involved in trying to disenfranchise others on the legal definition of marriage.
Homosexual "marriage" is a complete FRAUD.
Two unequals will NEVER be equal.
No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage, and the two are VERY different.
No homosexual relationships is the "equal" of a real marriage.
Marriage is indeed very different from any homosexual relationship:
Here are some MAJOR differences between real marriage and any sort of homosexual relationship, especially regarding any governmental involvement:
Like it or not, marriage and family are the basic building block of American Society.
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that allows the contrived oxymoron and only about 1.6% of the US population claims to be GLBT anyway, so homosexual "marriage" fails on this one!
Children are the usual and natural result of real marriage. No child will EVER be born as a direct result of a homosexual relationship, so homomarriage fails on this one, too!
Having both a mother and father in the home is one of the best statistical predictors of a child's future success in life. No homosexual relationship can provide this.
Marriage is recognized as moral and necessary by nearly all Americans. Americans overwhelmingly reject homosexual "marriage" and most find homosexual acts to be immoral and damaging.

F@CK OFF WILL!!

[BlueLamp]

fedupwiththemess wrote:

<quoted text>Homosexuality is in the same category as those listed above.

You're weak and pathetic. You just make a baseless assertion but you don't back it up with logic and reasonable argumets - because your argument is based on pure mythology and won't stand up to such things.

Your posts do more damage to your cause than they do good.

[BlueLamp]

Arnie wrote:

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Hadn't you heard? Your hate based political charade has been exposed as the fraud that it is:
No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that permits the oxymoron.

That's a lie. You've never posted anything that supports that. And even if only a few thousand homosexuals wanted to marry in each country. Who are you to say that their love isn't valid? How is your marriage going?

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>Homosexuals are NOT the same as other people. They seldom form longterm exclusive relationships, often completely obsess on perversion, and have much elevated rates of many diseases and social ills. THIS is the reality.

No, actually according to the CDC, as of 2005 there were ZERO cases of lesbian to lesbian HIV infection and well over 200,000 cases of heterosexual HIV infection. According to your moronic reasoning, maybe we should just outlaw all marriage except for lesbian marriages, for the sake of health concerns. I'm a male homosexual. My relationship is completely monogamous and we seldom have sex just as many married couples seldom have sex after they've been together for quite a while. Why? Because when you're in love, a truly loving relationship, so many psychological needs are met that are connected to sex, that the sex drive automatically drops a great deal. This is a common occurrence in heterosexual and homosexual marriage. Of course when this happens, sometimes one or both partners will sabotage their own marriage by thinking "Oh, I'm not really in love", basically because they don't understand what has happened.

Arnie wrote:

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No homosexual "marriage" is recognized by the US Government. We have a democratically established national definition of marriage as solely between one man and one woman.

True. For now.

Arnie wrote:

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No law could ever make even one homosexual relationship into a real marriage.

A ridiculous assertion. Obviously, right now, as we speak, there are homosexual partnerships and marriages that are going much better than some heterosexual partnerships and marriages. And certainly there are homosexuals who are married to an opposite sex heterosexual partner, in loveless relationships, high-risk for child molestation, acting out in not only that sick manner, but also participating in anonymous sex in bathrooms as Senator Craig most certainly attempted, doing drugs and paying for sex with other men as Ted Haggard, the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals certainly did. You have some nerve to judge the quality of all gay marriages as somehow being the same with your blanket bigotry when the marriages that are spawned from the spreading of your ridiculous nonsense are an unfortunate loveless destructive joke and many homosexual couples spend devoted happy faithful lives together.

[BlueLamp]

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>It is of course ludicrous to claim that "equal rights" are involved in trying to disenfranchise others on the legal definition of marriage.

No, it's actually ludicrous to claim that somehow heterosexual marriages will be devalued by allowing homosexuals to marry. If someone were suggesting that the definition of marriage should be changed to mean ONLY a union between two people of the same sex, then you would actually have an argument here. But no one is suggesting that heterosexuals shouldn't be allowed to marry. It's you that is wanting to affect the rights of other consenting adults. Not the homosexuals. Your stance on this is extremely unAmerican and no different from religious conservatives that argued God didn't mean for the races to mix and had interracial marriage banned in 17 states in the 1960s, claiming that: "We all have equal rights already!!! We all have the equal right to marry someone from our own race!!!" Bigotry, plain and simple. Thank God the US Supreme Court didn't see it your way.

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>Homosexual "marriage" is a complete FRAUD.
Two unequals will NEVER be equal.

Just another baseless assertion. Here is a link to famous homosexual couples who have been together for years:

http://www.buddybuddy.com/famous.html

But evidently in your pea brain, WillyBea, Brittney Spears 55 hour marriage is somehow superior to the many gay and lesbian couples who have been together for more than 50 years.

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>No homosexual relationship shares the reasons for government involvement in real marriage, and the two are VERY different.

Certainly they do. The government usually keeps marriage records for statistical purposes. They also keep records for legal purposes. Certainly in a case where someone dies unexpectedly and doesn't have a will, it's beneficial to know who the spouse is...especially if children are involved. The government in some states requires blood tests of marriage certificate applicants. Public health is obviously another valid governmental concern. And finally, whether the government has a valid concern to know if people are married or not, shouldn't play a part in a consenting adult's right to marry. If someone decided that only married couples with children were a valid concern of the government, would all couples who decide against having children have to have their marriages annulled? Of course not. That's ridiculous.

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>No homosexual relationships is the "equal" of a real marriage.

Uhh...didn't you already say that?

[worrisome jones]

Provocateur wrote:

Prostitution by straight men with women has been a major factor in the AIDs epidemic and rape in some countries has turned into a weapon of war also spreading AIDs. Homophobia runs rampant like racism and bigotry.

Wrong!! AIDS is overwhelmingly happening in the Gay/Queer community in this country.
You folks have done your best to make everyone think that AIDS is not just a queer disese but it hasn't worked.
Buggering each other is the prmary way that AIDS is spread and you boys do that on a regular basis.

[BlueLamp]

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>Marriage is indeed very different from any homosexual relationship:
Here are some MAJOR differences between real marriage and any sort of homosexual relationship, especially regarding any governmental involvement:
Like it or not, marriage and family are the basic building block of American Society.

Marriage and heterosexual families are the basic building block of any society. Do you know why? Because 90+% of any society is heterosexual and obviously heterosexuals produce children quickly and effectively through biological means. But that doesn't take away from the fact that hermaphrodites are born and usually assigned one sex or the other at birth (and only about half the time does the surgeon get it right - the other half of the time the physical assignment doesn't match with the gender identity in the brain), people with various chromosomal conditions are born having the physical characteristics of BOTH sexes, people with biologically based gender identity disorder are born with their internal (in the brain) gender identity not matching with their physical body, and homosexuals are born with their sexual attraction being directed at the same sex instead of the opposite sex. These people are all HUMANS. No matter what the 'basic building blocks' are, they are every bit as much a part of society as everyone else and they have their place. Certainly homosexual couples can adopt children that would otherwise be in institutions and children being loved by two parents is obviously better on average than children being loved by one parent or NO PARENTS, remaining in the institution. Only a very sick person would rather a child grew up in an institution than being loved by two homosexual parents. America's society is unique from any other. It is a MELTING POT. And as such it should honor all people, no matter how they were born. No matter whether their family is traditional or progressive. Freedom is the American way of life, and you, WillyBea, very much represent the way of life that the original Americans ran from.

[BlueLamp]

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>No significant percent of homosexuals has "married" in ANY country that allows the contrived oxymoron and only about 1.6% of the US population claims to be GLBT anyway, so homosexual "marriage" fails on this one!

Concerning the US population:

Studies on the total number of gay and lesbian people in the United States show a range from 2 percent to 10 percent of the total population. In the last three elections, the Voter News Service exit poll registered the gay vote between 4 percent and 5 percent. While concluding that the Census 2000 undercounted the total number of gay or lesbian households, for the purposes of this study, we estimate the gay and lesbian population at 5 percent of the total U.S. population over 18 years of age,(209,128,094). This results in an estimated total gay and lesbian population of 10,456,405. A recent study of gay and lesbian voting habits conducted by Harris Interactive1 determined that 30 percent of gay and lesbian people are living in a committed relationship in the same residence. Black, Gates, et. al2 find a similar figure in their study recently published in "Demography." Using that figure, we suggest that 3,136,921 gay or lesbian people are living in the United States in committed relationships in the same residence. Census 2000 counted 1,202,418 gay and lesbian people in committed relationships. Under the assumptions stated above, this represents an undercount of 62 percent.

And regardless of what is happening in foreign countries (and I very much doubt your ridiculous claim):

In Massachusetts:

Cambridge took in 227 applications overnight; Provincetown took in 113; more than 1,000 applications were made on the first day statewide. Two-thirds of applicants were women, and one-half of the applicants had been partners for more than a decade. Forty percent of the female couples had children in their homes. In the first year, more than 6,200 gay and lesbian couples were married due to pent-up demand, but that number fell to only 1,900 marriages in the second year, 2005. There were 1,442 in 2006. And the estimate for 2007 is 1300. According to the trend, Massachusetts should bottom out at an average of 1200 same sex marriages per year which makes sense because that would represent 3.2% of all marriages and homosexuals are thought to be 3 to 10 percent of the general population. In comparison, more than 36,000 heterosexual couples are married each year in Massachusetts.[4]

^ "Marriage rates by State: 1990, 1995, and 1999-2004" (PDF). National Center for Health Statistics (2005-10-19).
www.dispatch.com/live/content/national_world/...

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>Children are the usual and natural result of real marriage. No child will EVER be born as a direct result of a homosexual relationship, so homomarriage fails on this one, too!

How rude and how disgusting. How do you think a heterosexual couple who adopts because they're biologically unable to produce a child, would feel if they saw this comment? What do you think the response would be from a father who very much loved his son or daughter, even though they weren't blood-related, would be if he saw this. I wouldn't be surprised if he became physically violent with you for invalidating his fatherhood and the value of his child. You're a sick person whose hatred for homosexuality blinds you to common decency.

[BlueLamp]

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>Having both a mother and father in the home is one of the best statistical predictors of a child's future success in life. No homosexual relationship can provide this.

Wrong. Research shows that gays and lesbians are just as fit to parent as heterosexuals, possessing the same abilities to nurture and provide stable homes:
-David K. Flaks et al, Lesbians Choosing Motherhood: A Comparative Study of Lesbian and Homosexual Parents and Their Children, 1995.
-Charlotte J. Patterson & Raymond W. Chan, Gay Fathers and Their Children, 1996.
-Judith Stacey & Timothy Biblarz, Does the Sexual Orientation of Parents Matter, 2001.

Also: Children of gay and lesbian parents experience no significant differences in quality of peer relationships, nor do they experience more struggles with self-esteem.
-Susan Golombok et al., Children in Lesbian & Single-Parent Households Psychosexual & Psychiatric Appraisal, 1983; Fiona Tasker & Susan Golombok, Growing up in a Lesbian Family, 1997.
-Sharon L. Huggins, A Comparative Study of Self Esteem of Adolescent Children of Divorced Lesbian Mothers and Divorced Heterosexual Mothers, 1989.
-Mary E. Hotvedt & Jane B. Mandel, Children of Lesbian Mothers, 1982.

Arnie wrote:

<quoted text>Marriage is recognized as moral and necessary by nearly all Americans. Americans overwhelmingly reject homosexual "marriage" and most find homosexual acts to be immoral and damaging.

Actually, according to polls from Gallup, Rasmussen and Zogby, three of the major pollsters, acceptance of gay marriage far exceeds acceptance of interracial marriage in 1967 when the Supreme Court nullified the bans against interracial marriage in 17 states. In fact, a majority wasn't in favor of interracial marriage until 1991. Compared to interracial marriage, gay marriage appears to be on a fast track, likely because 90% of the population realizes clearly that they didn't choose their sexuality. It just happened in puberty as mainstream medicine and mental health maintains is the case.