Ted Cruz faux filibuster goes on as S...

Ted Cruz faux filibuster goes on as Senate readies spending bill vote

There are 623 comments on the CBS News story from Sep 25, 2013, titled Ted Cruz faux filibuster goes on as Senate readies spending bill vote. In it, CBS News reports that:

Congress continued its steady march toward a possible government shutdown Tuesday with another round of posturing, but little action to keep the government running past next Monday.

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Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#188 Sep 26, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
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Where on earth did you get your polling data?
Before you quote polls, you might want to research them to see what questions were asked. Your 59% number, for example, probably came from a poll asking approval concerning government shutdown as a result of defunding.
Pew/USA Today, Sept 16
Do you approve, strongly approve, disapprove or strongly disapprove of the ACA
53% disapprove (41% strongly disapprove)
42% approve (26% strongly approve)
5% unsure
(19% of the under 26 yrs polled didn't know that they would be forced to carry insurance (mandate)
CNN Sept 2013
39% support, down from June
The ACA has never had majority approval with the public.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/20/1240...

The public is still confused about exactly what Obamacare is going to mean for them, and still divided in their opinion about it, but there's only one bloc of the public that thinks Republican sabotage of it is a good thing: a small minority of Republicans who self-identify as tea party. That's according to the latest polling from the Pew Research Center and USA TODAY.
Fifty-three percent of respondents disapprove of the law, while 42 percent approve, and uninsured voters are almost evenly divided, 49 percent approve, 46 percent disapprove. But only 23 percent of voters think Republicans “should do what they can to make the law fail.”

The House GOP de-funding approach is only embraced 23%
In poll after poll about 1\3 of the people who disapprove of ACA say "It Doesn't Go Far Enough"

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#189 Sep 26, 2013
And that bears repeating.....
see the light

El Paso, TX

#190 Sep 26, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
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Try getting a doctor.
Voodoo and Witch doctors available for Libbies.
Eric L

AOL

#191 Sep 26, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
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I'm not a traitorcrat like you who looks at this as a partisan issue.
I'm a patriot who cares about the people we send overseas to represent us.
I have very close friends in the foreign service you twit.
This fiasco has put them all in even more danger than they already were.
Everything is political for you people.
Why don't you get real jobs that contribute to society instead of whining that others have more?
I live in the cheapest house in an affluent neighborhood. If I thought like you I guess I'd be a miserable liberal too.
You certainly have nerve calling Democrats "traitorcrats". Remember that it was Joe McCarthy who started his political career defending the Waffen SS scum who butchered our troops at Malmedy. Did you forget that right wing scum like Elizabeth Dilling ( Glenn Beck praised her trashy books on his TV show) was charged as an Axis enemy agent in the 1944 Sedition Trials? How about the fact that the conservative Republican backed America First Committee was really simply a front groups for pro Axis propaganda subsidized by Nazi funds and were serving as shills for Germany repeating Nazi talking points taken from Joseph Goebbels himself? It is no wonder why the international far right couldn't wait for the Cold War since so many of them here and abroad were in bed with the Axis powers either as propaganists or collaborators.
Gstspkr

United States

#192 Sep 26, 2013
LoLbama wrote:
Nothing to be accomplished at this point. It's on the books. Done.
All the FSA backers (that's Free Shit Army) that wanted this should now get it, good & hard. Tough shit to the unions who are now back peddling. You wanted it, you got. Shield people from the consequences of their actions & they won't learn a damn thing. Full throttle this sucker & ram it down their throats.
Must agree with you. The only thing a thieving Marxist confiscating share- the- wealth of everyone else goofball can possibly understand is making them live in the paradise they create for others. Have you noticed the rutin tootin Putin possibly could be the richest man on the planet and Hugo for - the - people Chavez died with a billion dollars in his bank account? Imagine confiscating all their stolen assets and making them live the shithole they dug for everyone else. What a familiar theme, elevating oneself and eliminating any completion, while living off the blood, sweat and tears of others.
Gstspkr

United States

#193 Sep 26, 2013
Eric L wrote:
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You certainly have nerve calling Democrats "traitorcrats". Remember that it was Joe McCarthy who started his political career defending the Waffen SS scum who butchered our troops at Malmedy. Did you forget that right wing scum like Elizabeth Dilling ( Glenn Beck praised her trashy books on his TV show) was charged as an Axis enemy agent in the 1944 Sedition Trials? How about the fact that the conservative Republican backed America First Committee was really simply a front groups for pro Axis propaganda subsidized by Nazi funds and were serving as shills for Germany repeating Nazi talking points taken from Joseph Goebbels himself? It is no wonder why the international far right couldn't wait for the Cold War since so many of them here and abroad were in bed with the Axis powers either as propaganists or collaborators.
Let's talk about more recent history, a freak and draft dodger who defected to Communist Russia during Vietnam,. Or a President so ashamed of his past that he seals all his records. How about a group of Congressmen that exempt themselves from a law that they imposed on an unwilling public, merely to funnel trillions more dollars through their sticky fingers. All for the people. Which people do they refer? Not us. Honestly, how can these thieving clowns possibly think that we can't see this is nothing but a takeover by force.
Gstspkr

United States

#194 Sep 26, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/20/1240...
The public is still confused about exactly what Obamacare is going to mean for them, and still divided in their opinion about it, but there's only one bloc of the public that thinks Republican sabotage of it is a good thing: a small minority of Republicans who self-identify as tea party. That's according to the latest polling from the Pew Research Center and USA TODAY.
Fifty-three percent of respondents disapprove of the law, while 42 percent approve, and uninsured voters are almost evenly divided, 49 percent approve, 46 percent disapprove. But only 23 percent of voters think Republicans “should do what they can to make the law fail.”
The House GOP de-funding approach is only embraced 23%
In poll after poll about 1\3 of the people who disapprove of ACA say "It Doesn't Go Far Enough"
Wild Woolly Bill, they didn't poll me.
Gstspkr

United States

#195 Sep 26, 2013
Cujo wrote:
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Threatening to shut down the government represents the people how? Where is Cruz's plan for health care. How is he and the GOP going to ensure that 30 million more americans get health insurance? What is Cruz and the GOP doing to ensure that citizens with pre existing conditions are elligable for health insurance? What are is Cruz and the GOP doing, period?
Many young people would rather keep their money, instead they will forced to donate to the general fund while they're young only to be denied their "pissed away" health care money when older. I.E. Robert Reich

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#196 Sep 27, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
And that bears repeating.....
It should be shouted from the rooftops, but is likely wasted on the reich swill, that resides on Topix....lol....

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Suffolk, VA

#197 Sep 27, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure you do. Talk about de-evolving? Teabag troglodytes are mostly fundie nuts like Palin that think man walked with dinosaurs and the earth has four corners. Teabaggers and evolution is like oil and water.
Uh, the Flat Earth Society is a liberal group.
And there is evidence of fossil record of human footprints along side dinosuar prints.
Adadtation is not evolution and DNA degredation is not either.
But what would a liberal artist know? How to spell words and put them in the right order? That's about it. Oh, and call names when they lose the debate.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#198 Sep 27, 2013
Gstspkr wrote:
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Wild Woolly Bill, they didn't poll me.
The only time they poll everyone is an election an in that one the guy who fathered ACA won.

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#199 Sep 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Her choice as running mate for McCain, was the beginning of the end for the GOP.....
Have you seen The Undefeated and know anything of her record?

Obviously, you watch far too much MSNBC and probably still have a thrill up your leg.

BTW, how come Obama said he visited 57 states and was never mocked for it by the LSM?

Adam 36

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#200 Sep 27, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
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The only time they poll everyone is an election an in that one the guy who fathered ACA won.
Of course he won, he had the LSM covering his butt and lie for him.

Even the Unions don't want anything to do with Obamacare as well as Congress.
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#201 Sep 27, 2013
The greasy canadian bandit's lie-a-thon:

• Cruz falsely claimed that the spouses of 15,000 UPS employees will be "left without health insurance" and forced into "an exchange with no employer subsidy." UPS is dropping coverage for spouses only if they can get insurance with their own employer.

• Cruz said the "IRS employees union has asked to be exempted from Obamacare." Not so.

• Cruz said the unemployment rate for black teens "is over 10 times higher than it is for college graduates — 38.2%." True, but that's comparing apples to oranges. The unemployment rate for white teens, aged 16 to 19, is also high, at 20.5%. There's still a racial disparity, but the rate is nearly double, not 10 times higher.

• Cruz cited an outdated quote from Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody's Analytics, to back up his claim that Obamacare is slowing job growth. Zandi told us the slowdown in job growth at small businesses is "no longer the case."

• Sen. Rand Paul wrongly argued that "everybody is going to pay more" for health insurance under the law. The fact is, some will pay more and some will pay less. Some currently uninsured Americans will pay little or nothing because of the law's expansion of Medicaid.

• Cruz said Obama promised three-and-a-half years ago — in 2010, when the Affordable Care Act was passed — that premiums "would drop $2,500? for the average family by the end of his first term. That's not exactly what the president said or when he said it.

Facts are fun.
Eric L

AOL

#202 Sep 27, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, the Flat Earth Society is a liberal group.
And there is evidence of fossil record of human footprints along side dinosuar prints.
Adadtation is not evolution and DNA degredation is not either.
But what would a liberal artist know? How to spell words and put them in the right order? That's about it. Oh, and call names when they lose the debate.
Where did you get your "science" evidence? Answers in Genesis? That is a fundamentalist site, not science. You might as well be asking an Al Qaida member to give objective appraisals about the US, music, non Islamic art etc., if you are going to use "Answers" in Genesis as a credible source on evolution. Any first year biochemistry, geology, or anthropology student with a brain finds such claims (i.e. man and dinosaur footprint side by side) laughably stupid. My field was in history and we not only find "Answers in Genesis" laughable, but think likewise of Liberatarian/Confederate apologists like Thomas E. Woods laughably stupid as well. Those who take the claims of junk scholars such as these seriously, regardless of political leanings and education levels, only prove that their faith/gullibility is stronger than reasoning skills.

Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#203 Sep 27, 2013
see the light wrote:
<quoted text>Voodoo and Witch doctors available for Libbies.
Concierge HealthCare will be available in CostaRica and the Dominican Republic until the influx of expatriates cause the Cuba Effect.

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#204 Sep 27, 2013
Adam 36 wrote:
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Of course he won, he had the LSM covering his butt and lie for him.
Even the Unions don't want anything to do with Obamacare as well as Congress.
LSM what a crutch ...
You should be ashamed of your self....

What is the most watched cable news network...FOX
The AM radio band is wall to wall cons. gab
Books and the net means the are enough out lets for you to get the message out.
Rather than use the MSM (LSM) crutch. admit the message got out loud and clear and it lost.
Face the truth and adapt
Or become a dinosaur

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#205 Sep 27, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> It should be shouted from the rooftops, but is likely wasted on the reich swill, that resides on Topix....lol....
Maybe so ...but we try anyway
Eric L

AOL

#206 Sep 27, 2013
Gstspkr wrote:
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Let's talk about more recent history, a freak and draft dodger who defected to Communist Russia during Vietnam,. Or a President so ashamed of his past that he seals all his records. How about a group of Congressmen that exempt themselves from a law that they imposed on an unwilling public, merely to funnel trillions more dollars through their sticky fingers. All for the people. Which people do they refer? Not us. Honestly, how can these thieving clowns possibly think that we can't see this is nothing but a takeover by force.
Last part first: We've been paying the pensions of congressmen, including worthless trash like Jesse Helms, Louis Gohmert, John Kasich (now double dipping in terms of pension), and Ted Cruz, for a long time now. That point is a red herring and proves nothing other than that they had their insurance covered and the rest of the US hasn't had that guarantee until more recently. Rich conservative congressmen have traditionally opposed any law insuring ordinary people not because of think tank derived BS reasons (i.e. their concern for those who want "freedom from government mandates",the conservatives have a "better plan" and other mutually contraditory rationales), but because they are rich and neither they nor their lobbyists want to pay taxes to help out anyone other than their rich peers. The far right has no moroal high ground here for they routinely make the public pay for things mandating that poor/middle class public workers pay for fingerprinting out of pocket (even though this is a government function- conservative politicians make people pay for their private sector lobbyist expenses- the drug testing companies for example ), making the public pay for bailouts, farm subsidies for big agribusiness via regressive taxation, make the public pay for tax giveaways to the rich through higher property taxes and cutbacks and much else. The conservatives are the "let them eat cake" brigade.
As for the " draft dodger" accusation, who are those? Dick Cheney, George W. Bush, Dan Quayle,Louis Gohmert, or any number of congressmen who chose a cushy guard job (often with signed letters from well connected politician parents not to let their sons be sent overseas)over combat?,or do you mean Mitt Romney, Saxby Chambliss who spent their time doing Mormon "missionary" (position most likely) work or were gewtting drunk with their rich frat buddies at Ol' Miss like Chambliss did? or other rich conservatives (almost all of them) who found doctor's excuses like "bad knee/bad back" overnight to avoid Vietnam. Like to admit it or not, the people (including politicians) in Vietnam were a minority of the overall US population and far fewer still opf these (5%) actually served in combat- most of those combat units were led by a lifer minority and the units were made up of poor/ working class recruits who didn't have rich daddies to get them out of combat like most of your heroes (Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage, Dick Cheney) did.
Where is your alleged proof that Clinton defected to thye Kremlim? You need 2 witnesses to prove sedition legally and Clinton didn't renounce his US citizenship, so you have no case. Clinton has been to Israel, but Israel is not the Soviet Union, even though most stupid right wingers of the Tom Metzgar, David Duke, William Pierce, Pat Buchanan mould seem to equate Judaism with communism for some dumb conspiratorial reason or another. As for Clinton and Russia, that lie came from smear magazine "American Spectator", a publication founded by despicable old segregationist trash like Richard Mellon Scaife and has zero intellectual credibility. If you mean some propaganda by Regnery Books as a source, that publishing house was founded by Nazi sympathizers, so it isn't credible either.
Cujo

Regina, Canada

#207 Sep 27, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
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I didn't say that.
I said blacks voted for him because he was black, and that's racist in and of itself.
White idiots like you who voted for him want to see America look like france, and NYC look like Detroit.
Or maybe blacks, whites, asians and hispanics, voted for the candidate who's policies represent them best, unlike the poor red states, who continue voting against their own interests. Who are the white idiots? I think it's pretty clear.

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