Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

There are 1638 comments on the Q-Notes story from Feb 13, 2013, titled Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?. In it, Q-Notes reports that:

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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Imhotep

Hernando, FL

#876 Apr 7, 2013
What legacy?
Billy Graham: Global Crusader - 417 times
1957 and Billy Graham got the televangelist circus on the road. What a star – still serving up hot Jesus half a century later. Pastor-in-Chief helped George W Bush hear voices. Don't mention anti-Semitic indiscretions of the 1970s.
Salary package from Bill Graham Evangelistic Organization "modest" by Jesus Inc. standards (estimated at $450,000.) Instead, Billy basks in the presence of the rich, famous and powerful.
In 1999 Billy Graham Newspapers estimated Graham's Christian empire, which had over 10 million followers, grossed $100 million annually.
The ' legacy' continues. LOL
Oral Roberts: Seeding Faith – Harvesting a Fortune
Oral Roberts was a 1940s pioneer in the business of extracting Jesus loot. In fifty years he went from tent to TV station. Like Bob Jones, Oral cashed in with his very own "God-centered Christian University" in Tulsa which schools other Jesus-shysters.
The quintessential fund-raiser, for his campus Medical Centre alone Oral scooped over $9 million (although the centre lasted less than a decade). His Ministry now offers a 24/7 prayer-by-proxy service for the mentally challenged.
Oral's contribution to the art of Jesus scamming was "Seed-Faith" (you give him your cash and then wait for God to return it to you 100-fold), such a cutie of an idea other operators copied the "Give and Receive" scam-ology.
Endowments funded the purchase of $multi-million houses for Oral in Beverly Hills and Palm Springs. His son Richard – also gifted with a hot-line to God – inherited the throne. Sure beats working.
Where are their faith seeds?
Kenneth Hagin (1917-2003)– Southern Baptist who sold Jesus for nearly 70 years.
His "prosperity gospel" was summed up in the catch-phrase "Confess it and Possess it."
Kenneth Hagin: Magic Mantra of "Word Faith"
According to Brother Kenneth Hagin, God – bless him – wants every believer to be rich. The "positive confession" of Word Faith (does that sound like Seed Faith to you?) makes your wildest dreams possible. Harness the power of God and conjure up your heart's desire.
In essence, Word Faith is the "mind over matter" mantra of Mary Baker Eddy's Christian Science with a fresh lick of paint. Hagin's Ministry, it seems, is ushering in the Second Coming. In his book I Believe in Visions Hagin claimed several personal encounters with Jesus. Well there's no doubt he encountered a lot of Jesus dollars.
Not yet rich – have they accepted Jesus?
Kenneth Copeland – ex-pop singer and flunky of Oral Roberts and Kenneth Hagin, set up his own operation in the 1970s under the "Word of Faith" label. It may be the Last of Days but there's still plenty of time to get your Christian merchandise from the Copeland Christian store – "more than 700 faith-building titles, 300 Christian films and 20,000 additional products."

Swaggart – God's cashier and a cousin of of rock legend Jerry Lee Lewis. Jimmy himself claims sales of 15 million gospel recordings.
Pentecostal "Assemblies of God" whoremonger Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist extraordinaire, raked in $150 million annually from gullible Jesus lovers during the 1980s.

A real rags-to-riches story. Swaggart had a poor start in life: depression-era rural Louisiana. But he had a natural charisma, and the growth of radio and TV presented the opportunity. Ordination as a minister by the AoG and conservative politics meant that Jimmy was on a roll. In the fiercely competitive televangelism racket Swaggart reached No. 1. But he had made enemies on the way up and they helped ensure that a pornography and hookers scandal brought him tumbling down again.

Jimmy Bakker, erstwhile force behind the PTL ('Praise the Lord') TV Network, raked in so much cash that he even set up his own theme park ("Heritage USA").

In 1989 AOG minister Jimmy Bakker admitted to squandering $158 million of Church donations on luxury cars, private mansions and female liaisons.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#877 Apr 7, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
What legacy?
A legacy of ripping people off, of lying to them, of making 100% false promises?

Yeah, that legacy.

That's one worth preserving...

.... meh.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#878 Apr 11, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I referenced what I >>thought<< would be very a familiar passage to someone of your self-proclaimed ... "knowledge" of your own book.
Silly me-- I presumed that you knew your own book.
I was clearly wrong about that-- your ignorance is ... unfortunate.
But it's hardly unique, is it? The majority of True Believers™ are equally as ignorant of your own book.
Sad, really.
But on to the lesson:
__________
Matthew 22:36-40 King James Version (KJV)
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
__________
Let us examine this closely, especially verse 40:
"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
The very words of your prophet, Jesus.
Let me repeat: "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
Look at this part: "hang all the law"
Clearly? Your Jesus intends you to FOLLOW ALL THE LAWS.
If he did not?
He'd have likely said: "but never-mind those old laws" or similar...
So you lose this one, Oh Most Ignorant One.
so where is the part about being good jews? Love is for everyone not just the jews.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#879 Apr 11, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
You LIE once more-- I was QUOTING SOMEONE ELSE.
So I was quite correct: I don't use the word "dispensation" in my own speech.
However, I might QUOTE someone ELSE who does.
Wow.
You just LOVE to lie, don't you?
LOL!
none the less you did post it as a credible evidence supporting your position. you certainly did not disagree with the assertion.
in other words, you used the word "dispensation" even if you were only leting someone else speak for you.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#880 Apr 11, 2013
Back for more humiliation?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>none the less you did post it as a credible evidence supporting your position. you certainly did not disagree with the assertion.
in other words, you used the word "dispensation" even if you were only leting someone else speak for you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#881 Apr 11, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so where is the part about being good jews? Love is for everyone not just the jews.
Oh. My. But you live in denial.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#882 Apr 11, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>none the less you did post it as a credible evidence supporting your position. you certainly did not disagree with the assertion.
in other words, you used the word "dispensation" even if you were only leting someone else speak for you.
Denial. You. Again.

It's what you do.

Sad.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#883 Apr 12, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so where is the part about being good jews? Love is for everyone not just the jews.
According to Yahweh/Jehovah the world is Jewish, every one else is to be beaten, killed, enslaved or raped. Even Jewsus saw any one other than the Jews, as "like dogs". You are Jewish, right?

Recently Allah nee Yahweh, let Mohamed change that to Muslim rather than Jewish, so now it's straightforward be a Muslim or die. God is good, lol!

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#884 Apr 12, 2013
The god of Abraham really like child brides it seems.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>According to Yahweh/Jehovah the world is Jewish, every one else is to be beaten, killed, enslaved or raped. Even Jewsus saw any one other than the Jews, as "like dogs". You are Jewish, right?

Recently Allah nee Yahweh, let Mohamed change that to Muslim rather than Jewish, so now it's straightforward be a Muslim or die. God is good, lol!
barry

Rainsville, AL

#885 Apr 14, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Where do you get this definitive "information"?
Did you just make it up (as you have from the start)?
LMAO!
it's an historical fact. Rome ruled israel that is unless you can document it differently.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#886 Apr 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
....... Uh.... Well....
......
.....
He took all this time working out his argument and this is the best he is able to muster?
Wow... I almost feel sorry for him.
<quoted text>
who cares how you feel. what is more important is your ignorance.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#887 Apr 14, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Your answer in no way shape or form dealt with my comment.
Keep failing though, how are those NT books in the Dead Sea scrolls doing again?
Lol!:))
<quoted text>
i did not say that there were NT books found among the DSS.
you are the one either twisting what was said or has a reading comprehension problem.
barry

Rainsville, AL

#888 Apr 14, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
He's not the brightest candle on the mantle, is he?
hey bob, it's tax time. have you filed your taxes yet? how are those deductions and credits working out for you?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#889 Apr 14, 2013
Benjamin Frankly wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were a Jew in those times, who would you respect more the teachers of the law that was ordained by God or a roman with paganism? Cleary one would prefer to go to your God. And no the Pharisees were a authority the “Pharisees claimed prophetic or Mosaic authority for their interpretation[2] of Jewish laws”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharisees
so you disagree with bob and others who claim that the pharisees didn't even exist until the second century?
barry

Rainsville, AL

#890 Apr 14, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>How nice. It was only for those to whom he was speaking. He really didn't have a message for any one, except the Jewish people who he was speaking to. You are a gentile right? One he considered "as dogs"?
and where did he say that i was a dog?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#891 Apr 14, 2013
Best go read your post again igmo!

Lmfao!
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i did not say that there were NT books found among the DSS.
you are the one either twisting what was said or has a reading comprehension problem.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#892 Apr 14, 2013
Didn't Jesus say to bring all non believers before him and behead them?
barry wrote:
<quoted text>and where did he say that i was a dog?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#893 Apr 14, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>so you disagree with bob and others who claim that the pharisees didn't even exist until the second century?
oh crap! that Pharisees shit i started way back is still going on?!?

back away towards the door slowly...do not make eye contact...slowly..slowly.....s lam!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#894 Apr 14, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>it's an historical fact. Rome ruled israel that is unless you can document it differently.
Pardon us, if we do not take ANYTHING you post as "historical fact", Mr godbot.

Why?

Because your sort (godbots) use lies like everyone else uses the letter "e" ...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#895 Apr 14, 2013
barry wrote:
<quoted text>who cares how you feel. what is more important is your ignorance.
My irony meter just blew a 50 amp fuse...

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