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Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students

There are 1632 comments on the Verde Independent story from Feb 5, 2013, titled Skull Valley lawmaker wants both sides of climate change taught to students. In it, Verde Independent reports that:

Saying students are getting only one side of the debate, a state senator wants to free teachers to tell students why they believe there is no such thing human-caused "global warming.' The proposal by Sen.

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SpaceBlues

United States

#916 Apr 12, 2013
Oh I see, profanity is not allowed any more by the funders. No wonder, so many deniers dropped out recently.

But why b_gone is still here?
wpw

Salt Lake City, UT

#917 Apr 12, 2013
wow
1 post removed

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#919 Apr 12, 2013
<<New report AS OF TODAY (4.12.2013)>>

Greenhouse gases make high temps hotter in China
April 12th, 2013 in Space & Earth / Environment

China, the world's largest producer of carbon dioxide, is directly feeling the man-made heat of global warming, scientists conclude in the first study to link the burning of fossil fuels to one country's rise in its daily temperature spikes.

China emits more of the greenhouse gas than the next two biggest carbon polluters—the U.S. and India—combined. And its emissions keep soaring by about 10 percent per year.

While other studies have linked averaged-out temperature increases in China and other countries to greenhouse gases, this research is the first to link the warmer daily hottest and coldest readings, or spikes.

The study by Chinese and Canadian researchers found that just because of greenhouse gases, daytime highs rose 0.9 degree Celsius (1.7 degrees Fahrenheit) in the 46 years up to 2007. At night it was even worse: Because of greenhouse gases, the daily lows went up about 1.7 degrees Celsius (3 degrees Fahrenheit).

China is the world's biggest producer and consumer of coal, which is the largest source of man-made carbon dioxide emissions. While the country has made huge investments in alternative energy such as wind, solar and nuclear in recent years, its heavy reliance on coal is unlikely to change any time soon.

About 90 percent of the temperature rise seen by the researchers could be traced directly to man-made greenhouse gases, the study said. Man-made greenhouse gases also include methane and nitrous oxide, but carbon dioxide is considered by far the biggest factor.

The study appeared online in late March in the peer-reviewed journal Geophysical Research Letters.

The study uses the accepted and traditional method that climate scientists employ to attribute a specific trend to man-made global warming or to rule it out as a cause.

Researchers ran computer simulations trying to replicate the observed increase in daily and nighttime high temperatures in China between 1961 and 2007. They first plugged in only natural forces—including solar variation—to try to get the heat increase. That didn't produce it.

The only way the computer simulations came up with the increase in daily high and low temperatures that occurred was when the actual amounts of atmospheric heat-trapping greenhouse gases were included.

"It is way above what you would expect from normal fluctuations of climate," study author Xuebin Zhang of the climate research division of Canada's environmental agency said in a telephone interview. "It is quite clear and can be attributed to greenhouse gases."

China did not become the largest emitter of greenhouse gases until 2007; for much of the period studied, it had a smaller economy. Because carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for about a century, China and its defenders maintain that the U.S. and other developed nations bear more responsibility for climate change.

Outside experts praised the research as using proper methods and making sense. An earlier study didn't formally blame the proliferation of U.S. heat records to a rise in greenhouse gases but noted that they were increasing substantially with carbon dioxide pollution.

"The study is important because it formalizes what many scientists have been sensing as a gut instinct: that the increase in extreme heat that we've witnessed in recent decades, and especially in recent years, really cannot be dismissed as the vagaries of weather," said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann.

China has rapidly grown from a nation of subsistence farmers at the end of the 1970s into the world's second-largest economy behind the U.S., and the environmental costs of such change are often visible.

<<edited for brevity. more at link below>>

http://phys.org/news/2013-04-greenhouse-gases...

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#920 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I try to keep a positive outlook.
Have you ever noticed how often climate alarmists use profanity? They seem to have a problem with rationality.
Dude, I'm fine.

The (almost) profanity I used was an appropriate reflection of what is perceived by the rest of us as your attitude towards personal responsibility.

THAT is profanity.

Not my words used to describe it.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#921 Apr 12, 2013
[QUOTE who="lyin' brian"]I try to keep a positive outlook.
Have you ever noticed how often climate alarmists use profanity?[/QUOTE]

'lyin' brian' is positively, a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND 4-time alleged & 4-time proud threatener.'lyin' brian' needed no profanity, when it divulged its 4 alleged & 4 proud threats, which were very effective.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#922 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
Dude, I'm fine. The (almost) profanity I used was an appropriate reflection of what is perceived by the rest of us as your attitude towards personal responsibility. THAT is profanity. Not my words used to describe it.
I don't have a personal responsibility to mitigate climate change; I have to adapt like everyone else. Don't blame me because you're afraid of climate, that's your problem, not mine.

I think the climate's perfect, more CO2 would surely do more good than harm. It would help our economy be more productive and give us something to do. I like emitting greenhouse gas, it's fun. The faster you go, the more drag you produce so you need more energy to go fast than to go the same distance slow?

What's not to love about man made greenhouse gas emissions? A lover sigh, a baby's coos or a diva's song, CO2 is goodness and wonderful all wrapped up as one. I don't see why you don't like carbon dioxide, don't you drink carbonated beverages?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#923 Apr 12, 2013
Here is another article from Borenstein: Seth Borenstein
Actual AP Headline:'Experts: Global Warming Means More Antarctic Ice'

Feb 2012: The Associated Press's Seth Borenstein, his wire service, and most of the globaloney-advocating establishment press have a problem relating to development NB's Iris Somberg noted a short time ago.

Peter Gleick, described in a related UK Guardian story as "a water scientist and president of the Pacific Institute," said last week that he "obtained" documents from the Heartland Institute about its strategy to, in part and in Borenstein's words (from his 1,000-word dispatch), "teach schoolchildren skepticism about global warming." Now, Gleick has admitted that he stole them (Gleick's description: "I solicited and received additional materials directly ... under someone else’s name"). Oops. It get worse for Borenstein and the wire service on at least two levels.

Another headline from Seth: AP's Borenstein Insists on Citing Guide to Year's Coldest Days as Proof of Global Warming

There are more and more, I would not read anything this doom and gloomer writes. Seth lies a lot. Why is that?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#924 Apr 12, 2013
An important new paper published today in Global and Planetary Change finds that changes in CO2 follow rather than lead global air surface temperature and that “CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2” The paper finds the “overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere,” in other words, the opposite of claims by global warming alarmists that CO2 in the atmosphere drives land and ocean temperatures. Instead, just as in the ice cores, CO2 levels are found to be a lagging effect ocean warming, not significantly related to man-made emissions, and not the driver of warming. Prior research has shown infrared radiation from greenhouse gases is incapable of warming the oceans, only shortwave radiation from the Sun is capable of penetrating and heating the oceans and thereby driving global surface temperatures.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#925 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/...
<<Begin Cut/Paste>>
"Last of the Glaciers; Effects of Rising CO2 Delayed as Much as 50 Years, Analysis Finds
Oct. 25, 2011 — A new analysis of climate change data and the effects of rising levels of the greenhouse gas carbon dioxides suggests that we are at the end of the period in Earth's history during which icy glaciers form. The study further suggests that the effects of rising CO2 levels is delayed by as much as 50 years, but global average temperature might be as much as 5 degrees higher than it is today by the year 2100.
Writing in the International Journal of Global Warming, Wojciech Budzianowski of Wroc&#322;aw University of Technology, in Poland, explains that the thermal response of Earth's climate to atmospheric greenhouse gases lags behind the rise in concentration of those gases, including carbon dioxide.
The atmospheric concentration of is increasing at the alarming rate of about 2 parts per million by volume per year. At the beginning of the industrial revolution levels were 220 ppmv, today they are around 390 ppmv, the highest they have been in Earth's history for 15 million years. "It is likely that the increased content of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is one of the major causes of the differences between mean annual temperatures in the late 1800s and those existing today, i.e. about 0.8 degrees," explains Budzianowski. He hopes to elucidate the fundamental mechanisms of global warming and to provide the necessary tools to usefully describe this complex phenomenon, something that is lacking in the current scientific literature.
From his analysis, Budzianowski points out that the self-oscillatory behaviour of past climates that see the periodic build-up and melting of large masses of glaciers in the Arctic and Antarctic regions is no longer valid. The obvious cause being the sudden rise in atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations that are a much larger thermal trigger than the reflectivity, or albedo, and heat capacity of Earth or any fluctuations in heat and light from the sun reaching the planet. As such, there will be no build up of ice cover and glaciers in the future, so the cycle is broken.
"Earth is a dynamical system and global warming is a complex dynamical phenomenon. The current paper proposes basic directions in dynamic modelling of global warming that might be useful in projections of future climate evolution," concludes Budzianowski."
<<End cut/paste>>
Written by seth, a known liar for Gore.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#926 Apr 12, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I try to keep a positive outlook.
Have you ever noticed how often climate alarmists use profanity? They seem to have a problem with rationality.
How true. They have a lot of passion for their religion. If they want cleaner air, Which we all do, I suggest they protest WalMart and China products and then go to China and protest their Government, crap on the buildings and police cars like the occupy movement did here. And if you want cleaner air, protest cigarettes, I should have the right to walk down the street and not breathe cigarette smoke. Be proactive, not pro doom and gloom.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#927 Apr 12, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Written by seth, a known liar for Gore.
No....

Written by Wojciech M. Budzianowski.("Time delay of global warming."
International Journal of Global Warming, 2011; 3 (3): 289-306)

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#928 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<<New report AS OF TODAY (4.12.2013)>>
Greenhouse gases make high temps hotter in China
April 12th, 2013 in Space & Earth / Environment
China, the world's largest producer of carbon dioxide, is directly feeling the man-made heat of global warming, scientists conclude in the first study to link the burning of fossil fuels to one country's rise in its daily temperature spikes.
China emits more of the greenhouse gas than the next two biggest carbon polluters—the U.S. and India—combined. And its emissions keep soaring by about 10 percent per year.
While other studies have linked averaged-out temperature increases in China and other countries to greenhouse gases, this research is the first to link the warmer daily hottest and coldest readings, or spikes.
The study by Chinese and Canadian researchers found that just because of greenhouse gases, daytime highs rose 0.9 degree Celsius (1.7 degrees Fahrenheit) in the 46 years up to 2007. At night it was even worse: Because of greenhouse gases, the daily lows went up about 1.7 degrees Celsius (3 degrees Fahrenheit).
China is the world's biggest producer and consumer of coal, which is the largest source of man-made carbon dioxide emissions. While the country has made huge investments in alternative energy such as wind, solar and nuclear in recent years, its heavy reliance on coal is unlikely to change any time soon.
About 90 percent of the temperature rise seen by the researchers could be traced directly to man-made greenhouse gases, the study said. Man-made greenhouse gases also include methane and nitrous oxide, but carbon dioxide is considered by far the biggest factor.
The study appeared online in late March in the peer-reviewed journal Geophysical Research Letters.
The study uses the accepted and traditional method that climate scientists employ to attribute a specific trend to man-made global warming or to rule it out as a cause.
Researchers ran computer simulations trying to replicate the observed increase in daily and nighttime high temperatures in China between 1961 and 2007. They first plugged in only natural forces—including solar variation—to try to get the heat increase. That didn't produce it.
The only way the computer simulations came up with the increase in daily high and low temperatures that occurred was when the actual amounts of atmospheric heat-trapping greenhouse gases were included.
"It is way above what you would expect from normal fluctuations of climate," study author Xuebin Zhang of the climate research division of Canada's environmental agency said in a telephone interview. "It is quite clear and can be attributed to greenhouse gases."
China did not become the largest emitter of greenhouse gases until 2007; for much of the period studied, it had a smaller economy. Because carbon dioxide stays in the atmosphere for about a century, China and its defenders maintain that the U.S. and other developed nations bear more responsibility for climate change.
Outside experts praised the research as using proper methods and making sense. An earlier study didn't formally blame the proliferation of U.S. heat records to a rise in greenhouse gases but noted that they were increasing substantially with carbon dioxide pollution.
"The study is important because it formalizes what many scientists have been sensing as a gut instinct: that the increase in extreme heat that we've witnessed in recent decades, and especially in recent years, really cannot be dismissed as the vagaries of weather," said Pennsylvania State University climate scientist Michael Mann.
China has rapidly grown from a nation of subsistence farmers at the end of the 1970s into the world's second-largest economy behind the U.S., and the environmental costs of such change are often visible.
<<edited for brevity. more at link below>>
http://phys.org/news/2013-04-greenhouse-gases...
by Seth Borenstein

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#929 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<<New report AS OF TODAY (4.12.2013)>>
Greenhouse gases make high temps hotter in China
April 12th, 2013 in Space & Earth / Environment
China, the world's largest producer of carbon dioxide, is directly feeling the man-made heat of global warming, scientists conclude
http://phys.org/news/2013-04-greenhouse-gases...
by Seth Borenstein
Tyler in Wonderland

Philadelphia, PA

#930 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Wonderful attitude.
"F*CK future generations. I got MINE."
An excellent summation of this generation.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#931 Apr 12, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text> by Seth Borenstein
Yes, the ARTICLE was written by Seth Borenstein for Physorg.
http://phys.org/news/2013-04-greenhouse-gases...

The SCIENTIFIC PAPER upon which this article was based was written by Wojciech M. Budzianowski.("Time delay of global warming." International Journal of Global Warming, 2011; 3 (3): 289-306

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#932 Apr 12, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, the ARTICLE was written by Seth Borenstein for Physorg.
http://phys.org/news/2013-04-greenhouse-gases...
The SCIENTIFIC PAPER upon which this article was based was written by Wojciech M. Budzianowski.("Time delay of global warming." International Journal of Global Warming, 2011; 3 (3): 289-306
Glad we cleared that up. Now come out of your bunker, it's still safe outside.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#933 Apr 12, 2013
Climate has always changed, and it always will. The assumption that prior to the industrial revolution the Earth had a "stable" climate is simply wrong. The only sensible thing to do about climate change is to prepare for it.

Crawl out of your hole, the earth is not melting. Find a true Savior.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#934 Apr 12, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
Climate has always changed, and it always will. The assumption that prior to the industrial revolution the Earth had a "stable" climate is simply wrong. The only sensible thing to do about climate change is to prepare for it.
Crawl out of your hole, the earth is not melting. Find a true Savior.
Climate Change -- isn't it natural

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#935 Apr 12, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
Climate has always changed, and it always will. The assumption that prior to the industrial revolution the Earth had a "stable" climate is simply wrong. The only sensible thing to do about climate change is to prepare for it.
Crawl out of your hole, the earth is not melting. Find a true Savior.
Climate has been remarkably stable during the course of human civilisation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:All_palaeot...

Of course climate hasn't been so stable further back.

http://www.greenmanstudio.com/wardco2big.jpg

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#936 Apr 13, 2013
Climate is a chaotic system. I'm sorry your faith denies experience of that fact. Climate is always stable until it gets hotter or cooler, then it changes; climate always changes. Don't panic.

If man made climate change means more extreme weather of all kinds, then it means more extremely beautiful spring days too. Their hope yet.

If you don't like your climate, you might consider moving. Real estate opportunities on tropic island beaches will be plentiful if their theory holds up. Think about sunbathing, listening to the surf and enjoying life until the last wave. That way, you won't need to increase my taxes so you can save the world.

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