Obama Claims America Terrorizes Illegal Immigrants

Jul 15, 2008 Full story: strata-sphere.com 2,099

Boy, if you want to lose an election in the United States of America the best way I have seen is to take the ludicrous position that America terrorizes those who have illegally entered or stayed in this country

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Summer Rain

United States

#22 Jul 15, 2008
donkeyman wrote:
gosh, i wish i could be the victum some time. but being a white male american,that just isnt possible. but wait, if im not alowed to be a victum, doesnt that make me one?
You are a victim. You are drowning in self pity.

“Enforce our Immigration Laws!”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#23 Jul 15, 2008
Ms Taletha wrote:
You guys are sexist as well. You can't deal with a woman, a younger woman exercising freedom of thought and exercising of non-conformity on a heated issue. I aim to see things on both sides and I am the subject of ridicule. My Sociology instructor told me that would happen and she was right
You're totally clueless as to this subject.
If I were you I'd leave before we have to prove what a total moron you are.
camille

Oak Park, IL

#24 Jul 15, 2008
Summer Rain wrote:
This is what Obama said:
When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn’t working, and we need to change it.
He is referring to a host of horror stories involving ICE which include small children coming home from school to empty houses and babies stranded at daycare indefinitely. This occurs because ICE does not notify state officials in advance of raids. Therefore the states have no opportunity to protect the children, most of whom are American citizens. ICE also does not immediately identify the people it has in custody, leaving the state engaged in a house to house search for children in danger.
One 14 year old girl testified before Congress last year about her experience with ICE. She was in her bedroom after school, doing her homework, when someone broke down the front door. Terrified, she ran to the living room and confronted rifles pointed at her head. The girl was questioned at gunpoint for about an hour before her mother came home from work.
The girl's mother is a natural born American citizen. So is the girl. This happened in Florida.
The ICE raid in Postville IA is especially suspicious because in addition to the horrors described above, the raid took place just a few days before the workers were to have a union election. The plant had received numerous safety violations in the prevous year and had a reputation for abusing its employees. In one instance, a man was blindfolded and beaten with a meat hook.
The GOP refused to enforce our immigration laws for years so that their corporate benefactors would have cheap labor. The people who slave here to support their families need to be brought in from the cold and granted some kind of legal protection from economic exploitation. The ICE raids are merely a show to assuage the dullards who rail about immigrants in a hateful fashion.
This is really low stuff. I am surprised at the sudden deterioration in the quality of articles linked to. And the sources.
There is a simple and easy way to stop all this terrorizing by ICE- it doesn't even cost any money!

1. all illegal aliens leave the US

If you are in the US illegally I have zero sympathy for your long sad tale of woe when the law catches up to you. As a matter of fact, if ICE makes things unpleasant enough, maybe the illegals will stop and think twice before slithering into the US again.

“Enforce our Immigration Laws!”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#25 Jul 15, 2008
Summer Rain wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a victim. You are drowning in self pity.
And you're a pro-illegal bleeding heart liberal moron.
NE Reds Momma

United States

#26 Jul 15, 2008
I am a victim of a lazy in the basement all the time son!
http://www.zillow.com/aerial/DualMapPage.htm...
Oozing with Sympathy

Coram, NY

#27 Jul 15, 2008
Ms Taletha wrote:
You guys are sexist as well. You can't deal with a woman, a younger woman exercising freedom of thought and exercising of non-conformity on a heated issue. I aim to see things on both sides and I am the subject of ridicule. My Sociology instructor told me that would happen and she was right
Good Lord! I had to take a number and get on line to answer this one.

Look, Taletha, welcome to the NFL. We pay a lot of taxes and do a lot of work, including cleaning, painting, cooking, dishes, etc., etc.

Misplaced compassion is a feature of the innocent but learn to take your lumps. A few years from now you may ask someone why it is you work so hard and have so little to show for it. I sure hope I'm not the person you ask.
Two Steps Behind

United States

#28 Jul 15, 2008
Ms Taletha wrote:
Should we be aiming such hate towards people who are so vital to the US economy? They live in the shadows. Yet they clean our homes, cut our lawns, lay foundations for our buildings, watch our children, prepare our food. We used to be a nation known for our compassion....
Illegal aliens are not vital to the economy. They help to destroy it with free or unpaid health care, free education, housing and welfare. All of which is paid for by US taxpayers. We are still a nation of compassion. Hire an American citizen to cook and clean, or is it that you save money by hiring illegals who are paid cash and pay no taxes and send their earnings back to Mexico.
Summer Rain

United States

#29 Jul 15, 2008
okbuilder wrote:
They do however, cost billions of American's hard earned tax dollars while they sent their cash pay to Mexico and out of our already devastated economy. Just thought I'd give you that to chew on....
Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions
"..."Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration...."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05...

Study: Illegals contribute to economy
The study, titled “Fiscal Facts: Tax Contributions of Virginia’s Undocumented Immigrants,” estimates the magnitude of the tax contribution made by the state’s undocumented population. It calculates that Virginia’s undocumented population pays an estimated total of between $145 million and $174 million in state income taxes, sales and excise taxes and property taxes. It also estimates that undocumented immigrants working on the books pay an additional $114 million to $137 million in Social Security, and Medicare taxes, which are matched by their employers.
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/news/2008/feb/19/...

Illegals offset 70% of costs
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/a...

There is nothing illegal about sending money out of the country. Millions of Americans and corporations due so every day. Nor does it raise your taxes.

There is reality. There is conservatism. And never the twain shall meet.
chylloh

United States

#30 Jul 15, 2008
Summer Rain wrote:
This is what Obama said:
When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids, when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn’t working, and we need to change it.
He is referring to a host of horror stories involving ICE which include small children coming home from school to empty houses and babies stranded at daycare indefinitely. This occurs because ICE does not notify state officials in advance of raids. Therefore the states have no opportunity to protect the children, most of whom are American citizens. ICE also does not immediately identify the people it has in custody, leaving the state engaged in a house to house search for children in danger.
One 14 year old girl testified before Congress last year about her experience with ICE. She was in her bedroom after school, doing her homework, when someone broke down the front door. Terrified, she ran to the living room and confronted rifles pointed at her head. The girl was questioned at gunpoint for about an hour before her mother came home from work.
The girl's mother is a natural born American citizen. So is the girl. This happened in Florida.
The ICE raid in Postville IA is especially suspicious because in addition to the horrors described above, the raid took place just a few days before the workers were to have a union election. The plant had received numerous safety violations in the prevous year and had a reputation for abusing its employees. In one instance, a man was blindfolded and beaten with a meat hook.
The GOP refused to enforce our immigration laws for years so that their corporate benefactors would have cheap labor. The people who slave here to support their families need to be brought in from the cold and granted some kind of legal protection from economic exploitation. The ICE raids are merely a show to assuage the dullards who rail about immigrants in a hateful fashion.
This is really low stuff. I am surprised at the sudden deterioration in the quality of articles linked to. And the sources.
Wonder whom put these children in this situation? Who broke laws? Whom pimp their children to allow the parents to stay by coming here to have their children in order to have a anchor baby?

Who did all this to those children?
chylloh

United States

#31 Jul 15, 2008
Summer Rain wrote:
<quoted text>
Illegal Immigrants Are Bolstering Social Security With Billions
"..."Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes," said Stephen C. Goss, Social Security's chief actuary, using the agency's term for illegal immigration...."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/05...
Study: Illegals contribute to economy
The study, titled “Fiscal Facts: Tax Contributions of Virginia’s Undocumented Immigrants,” estimates the magnitude of the tax contribution made by the state’s undocumented population. It calculates that Virginia’s undocumented population pays an estimated total of between $145 million and $174 million in state income taxes, sales and excise taxes and property taxes. It also estimates that undocumented immigrants working on the books pay an additional $114 million to $137 million in Social Security, and Medicare taxes, which are matched by their employers.
http://www.fairfaxtimes.com/news/2008/feb/19/...
Illegals offset 70% of costs
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/a...
There is nothing illegal about sending money out of the country. Millions of Americans and corporations due so every day. Nor does it raise your taxes.
There is reality. There is conservatism. And never the twain shall meet.
It is illegal if the illegal aliens are sending the billions back to their country UNTAXED.

Some illegal immigrants pay taxes but under a stolen ID number.

The cost of health care, food stamps, WIC, welfare, etc. out numbers the cost of any money illegal immigrants contribute.

This is why over 90 hospitals have closed in California, why gangs and their activities are taking over some towns, California is going bankrupt and why there is so many foreclosures in California. The banks stupidly loan mrtg loans to illegal immigrants with no ID, no credit, no down payments needed.

California is sinking and fast. Wonder Why?
chylloh

United States

#32 Jul 15, 2008
Obama is someone who is grasping at straws. He wants to win and badly. He will go from group to group of people and tell them what they want to hear. This is called pandering.......and cowardly.
HoneyC

United States

#33 Jul 15, 2008
camille wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a simple and easy way to stop all this terrorizing by ICE- it doesn't even cost any money!
1. all illegal aliens leave the US
If you are in the US illegally I have zero sympathy for your long sad tale of woe when the law catches up to you. As a matter of fact, if ICE makes things unpleasant enough, maybe the illegals will stop and think twice before slithering into the US again.
By that thinking, I guess they want all criminals to be notified before the cops show up to arrest a parent on an outstanding warrant, huh? If we wouldn't want to upset the kids by showing up to arrest their illegal parents, I guess we really don't want to upset our natural born children by showing up to arrest their criminal parents. The kind of thinking Obama shows is exactly what's killing us, isn't it?
Summer Rain

United States

#34 Jul 15, 2008
camille wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a simple and easy way to stop all this terrorizing by ICE- it doesn't even cost any money!
1. all illegal aliens leave the US
If you are in the US illegally I have zero sympathy for your long sad tale of woe when the law catches up to you. As a matter of fact, if ICE makes things unpleasant enough, maybe the illegals will stop and think twice before slithering into the US again.
And you would pay the costs of deporting these taxpaying illegals with...?

Far cheaper to let them pay back taxes (3/4 don't owe them) pay a fine, learn English and go to the back of the line for citizenship.

“Natural laws have no pity”

Since: May 07

Location hidden

#35 Jul 15, 2008
Ms Taletha wrote:
Should we be aiming such hate towards people who are so vital to the US economy? They live in the shadows. Yet they clean our homes, cut our lawns, lay foundations for our buildings, watch our children, prepare our food. We used to be a nation known for our compassion....
Are you nucking futs? I'd rather do those things myself and on the off chance I couldn't, I'd make sure I'd either hire a legal immigrant or a U.S. citizen.
Summer Rain

United States

#36 Jul 15, 2008
chylloh wrote:
<quoted text>
Wonder whom put these children in this situation? Who broke laws? Whom pimp their children to allow the parents to stay by coming here to have their children in order to have a anchor baby?
Who did all this to those children?
Apparently you think that a parent's legal status legitimizes deliberate child abuse by the government. I bet you call yourself a Christian too.

Did you even read the post? The story in the middle is about a girl who was an American citizen. So was her mother. Her mother was born and raised in this country.

You are a disgusting excuse for a human being.
Summer Rain

United States

#37 Jul 15, 2008
chylloh wrote:
<quoted text>
It is illegal if the illegal aliens are sending the billions back to their country UNTAXED.
Some illegal immigrants pay taxes but under a stolen ID number.
The cost of health care, food stamps, WIC, welfare, etc. out numbers the cost of any money illegal immigrants contribute.
This is why over 90 hospitals have closed in California, why gangs and their activities are taking over some towns, California is going bankrupt and why there is so many foreclosures in California. The banks stupidly loan mrtg loans to illegal immigrants with no ID, no credit, no down payments needed.
California is sinking and fast. Wonder Why?
I was born and raised in California. I lived there until my early thirties.

California hit the skids when Phil Gramm passed his anti tax amendment. I saw it coming and got my family out of there 24 years ago. Now I have posted the fiscal facts on immigrants. They pay LOTS of money in taxes. You may ignore them if you want, but the facts remain.
The historical fact is that the GOP hates California because of the '60s, the environmental movement, and the tradition of questioning government. The worst in the GOP's power has been visited on CA since RR got the White House. Nationwide, hospitals closed because the GOP changed the rules to fund them. Nashville has gangs that control neighborhoods too. It's a national problem. The no doc liars loans were given out all over the country too. That was the GOP payoff for the financial sector which was their third largest source of funds and kickbacks. The GOP simply refused to allow the agencies to make laws and enforce regulations. That's a national problem too. The illegals were driven here by poverty in their country and invited in by the GOP's refusal to enforce border security and that was also a favor to their campaign contributors. Slave labor at slave wages, lots of profit and kickbacks to the GOP.
This anti immigrant hatred is based on lies cooked up by the GOP to distract you from the damage they have caused our country. I'm sorry you fell for it.
Summer Rain

United States

#38 Jul 15, 2008
HoneyC wrote:
<quoted text>By that thinking, I guess they want all criminals to be notified before the cops show up to arrest a parent on an outstanding warrant, huh? If we wouldn't want to upset the kids by showing up to arrest their illegal parents, I guess we really don't want to upset our natural born children by showing up to arrest their criminal parents. The kind of thinking Obama shows is exactly what's killing us, isn't it?
I would think it far more reasonable to give state agencies prior notice so that they could prepare to care for the children, and promptly identify those who have children at home so the children can be safe and cared for.
I guess that kind of compassion is beyond the "Party of Life"(TM).
mollagig

AOL

#39 Jul 15, 2008
Ms Taletha wrote:
Should we be aiming such hate towards people who are so vital to the US economy? They live in the shadows. Yet they clean our homes, cut our lawns, lay foundations for our buildings, watch our children, prepare our food. We used to be a nation known for our compassion....
You are nasty,and stupid...What else is left?
mollagig

AOL

#40 Jul 15, 2008
Agent of Chaos wrote:
<quoted text>Are you nucking futs? I'd rather do those things myself and on the off chance I couldn't, I'd make sure I'd either hire a legal immigrant or a U.S. citizen.
"It" is not worth a fudlers fick..Look at it!it is truly an illegal transvestite with the I.Q of tick.....
HoneyC

United States

#41 Jul 15, 2008
Summer Rain wrote:
<quoted text>
And you would pay the costs of deporting these taxpaying illegals with...?
Far cheaper to let them pay back taxes (3/4 don't owe them) pay a fine, learn English and go to the back of the line for citizenship.
A plane ticket doesn't cost that much. It's far cheaper than food stamps, AFDC and Medicaid for one year for each of these people.
How would you suggest we determine what back taxes they must pay? Do we throw a dart to choose which identity they worked under to decide which income to use for them? A fine was included in the Kennedy-McCain bill, along with ways to NOT pay the fine, such as financial hardship. How many illegals will scream financial hardship when it's time to pay the fine? Learn English is the biggest joke of all. Many of these illegals have been here for years and have not bothered to pick up the basics of the English language. They're too used to the American public bending over backwards to accommodate them rather than them doing what they need to. Tell the joke about learning English to someone else. See if they get it.
And finally, getting in the back of the line. Where the hell is this mythical line? Is it here? Is it in Honduras, Mexico? Where is it? If it's here in the states, then there is no line, is there? They're here already. And it still does nothing but reinforce and reward criminal behavior. Do you get rewarded when you've committed a crime? Do any of us legal citizens get rewards for being bad? Hell no! So why the hell should we reward them?
The problem is we offered an amnesty in 1986 that is haunting us to this day. The direct result of that amnesty is the approximately 30 million illegals we are saddled with today. We offer another amnesty and then we'd better stand back. The flood of uneducated, illiterate and unwanted peoples of the world will be like nothing you've ever seen before. All of them expecting another amnesty. Ten years from now we could be looking at 50 million illegals, all waiting for their chance at amnesty, too. And why wouldn't they? We would have been retarded enough to offer it not once, but twice, so a third round wouldn't be unheard of, would it?
Political correctness and our inherent sympathy and empathy for people's plight will be the death of this nation as we know it. Today, people like you may blow us off as just a bunch of racist xenophobes, but when the third round begins and every hope and dream you have for your children goes up in smoke because we have created a third world country, thanks to people like you, maybe you might understand why some of us are fighting so hard to save our country.

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