If Health Law Is Overturned, What Wil...

If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

There are 4941 comments on the thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com story from Mar 28, 2012, titled If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?. In it, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com reports that:

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama 's health care law , it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the president’s embrace of the mandate — and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal — was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

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Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#5036 Sep 7, 2012
OzRitz wrote:
It still comes down to one thing the tea party right grab onto issues that totally ignore the big picture stuff in the election. So every argument is about handouts, constitution and being taxed too much.
When the real issues to turn an economy around belong with Foriegn policy, Globalisation & Environment. For whatever reason the Republican's these days just can't seem to get a handle on how important foriegn policy is. Because in a time of crisis its better to have more friends than enemies. Obama has made huge gains in foriegn policy. You need someone who can talk the talk and walk the walk. Romney can just walk, for the art of diplomacy he would just be a Bush clone living off the advice of his war hawks.
Secondly its the same with the Business sector having too much influence in policy where ideology gets in the way of what is the country's best interest. It should never be about what is good for Apple or Exxon it should also benefit the country they are based in. Finally the Environment, this could be the next cash cow but it is also totally ignored by the Republicans.
So ranting on about food stamps is never going to kick start an economy. If you do elect the current republican canidate all the US will do is turn into another Russia. Allowing limited opportunity to the country's wealth to an elite few. We all know what happens from the history books when a country gets to that position.
I haven't heard one speech about how someone's biggest aspiration was to collect food stamps because the whole point of living in a free country is about the opportunity to succeed. This is the same in every western democracy. Yet that is all the tea party Republicans can talk about, or how high taxes are strangling business or how some social safety net is against the constitution its all painted with the same brush. so whats wrong with this picture.
A few years before Russia collapsed the rich were taking all the wealth like nothing that had been seen before in Russia. Notice how Bush did the same thing, the rich saw their incomes go up 450 percent, all the wealth ended up in the hands of one percent of the population, he did it with war profits, oil profits, free drugs to seniors and to African countries. All crony capitalism. And they did it with Wall Street, the Fed giving the banks all that money to hand out, no regulation of what those on Wall Street were doing. So that tells us the rich knew the U.S. would collapse, so they did a run on all the wealth of the nation before it collapsed. Did you hear the rich moved $27 trillion of their money out of the U.S. this year? That shows they know the dollar is going to collapse soon.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#5037 Sep 7, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Yes we would. And we would also be paying three times as much for energy than we do now, and that alone would bankrupt the country.
Nope. People would own the wind mills on their land and own the solar panels on their land, so the big oil and gas companies would not own you, not own OUR oil. Did you know most of the oil left in the U.S. is on government land, meaning we own it and we could drill it up to pay off our debt? Did you know most of the remaining world oil is owned by nations, by the people of countries, it is nationalized? The value of an oil company is how much reserves are out there, if nations own their own oil and those nations don't like us, the oil companies go out of business, which is why Bush invaded Iraq to take that oil for Exxon and BP to control it so they don't go out of business since oil is running out, and that is why they want to invade Iran, to get the nationalized oil in Iran. If you add in the cost of the oil wars, we are paying trillions for for gas than you think we are. the minute China tries to grow again, the price of oil goes right back to $150 a gallon, so get ready for $7 a gallon gas for good.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#5038 Sep 7, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
September 7, 2012 – SWEDEN – As a pharmaceutical salesman in Greece for 17 years, Tilemachos Karachalios wore a suit, drove a company car and had an expense account. He now mops schools in Sweden, forced from his home by Greece’s economic crisis.“It was a very good job,” said Karachalios, 40, of his former life.“Now I clean Swedish s—.” Karachalios, who left behind his six-year-old daughter to be raised by his parents, is one of thousands fleeing Greece’s record 24 percent unemployment and austerity measures that threaten to undermine growth.
But what the Tea Party never looks at is why did Greece go broke? It's the same reason the U.S. is going broke. It's the baby boomer generation retiring, the big state and local government pensions, retiring at 50-55, all those people going onto social security too. This is why Greece went broke. They don't have many children yet the government promised people big pensions and retirement at 52 or so, and so there was no one to pay for it. So the government had been borrowing money to give to the people to get their votes until they could no longer borrow money. This is the same as the U.S. in terms of the government pension promises have $5 trillion in promises that are not paid for, that taxes would have to be raised to come up with the pension monies, and it also has $120 TRILLION in unpaid for promises to the baby boomers in SS and Medicare, so new taxes, big, huge new taxes would need to be created to pay out SS and Medicare.

And, what happened is when they do austerity measures, let's say they cut everyone's state pension in half here, okay, that is half as much money being spent in the stores every month, so the economy contracts. So austerity leads to a shrinking GDP but they have to make the cuts. So they are stuck shrinking and then they have to make more cuts due to less tax revenues coming in.

the tea party never sees anything as it is. They never look beyond one sentence. They see Fox says Greece is going under, that's bad, cut spending. But do they ever look at the fact that the cuts in spending would have to go almost all on the baby boomers government pensions and on SS and Medicare? No. This is how the tea party looks at every issue. They take a one line sound bite and run with it not even understanding one thing about it and it never goes any further than that.

Many people in this country will find that if they did not attend college and also did not send their kids to college, they will be working for minimum wage too, and no longer have high paying jobs either. This is the reality of the West at large. We just lost out on 5 MILLION jobs in computer science and in engineering we were offered because our young people did not study those things in college. Had they done so, it would not have mattered that lower paying manufacturing jobs had gone to China. Bush thought the young people were all going to college and that they would be taking high tech, higher paying jobs. They did not do so, so now we bring in people from foreign countries to fill our jobs cause our people's IQs have gotten very low and they can't step up to the plate and take the jobs they were offered. And, not one person will discuss this. All they say is no one needs to go to college. So you have 3 billion people in China and India sending their kids to school, who have IQs anywhere from 110-150, and they are coming for our good paying jobs, and Americans sit being the fattest folks in the entire world and won't even discuss losing out on 5 million jobs, and they all say they don't need any college. So they are rendering themselves jobless, hopeless, stuck, third world. the people are doing it to themselves.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#5039 Sep 7, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
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Right now, the US borrows 40 cents for every dollar it spends. That means in order to balance the budget, we would have to cut 40% of our spending. 40% is pretty near the figure we spend on Medicare and Social Security alone.
That being said, I would like to use the words of my favorite economist-Walter E Williams.
He said "Suppose I were to run for Congress or Senate, and my platform would be if you are to elect me, I would bring no money to this state from Washington because it doesn't fall in line with our Constitution or the intent of our founders. Who would elect me? Not many of course. "
Professor Williams is absolutely correct. Don't blame our politicians--blame our voters. We have become a country of leaches. Give us something for free, or we will elect somebody who does.
I am fortunate to live in a state that has Governor who doesn't give a crap about reelection. He cares about straightening out our state, and that would be Governor Kasich of Ohio.
The good governor has lowered our unemployment below the national average. He took an 8 billion dollar debt and eliminated it in the coming years. He has balanced the budget. He has brought jobs to our state. And you know what? People here hate him. Why? Because he made drastic cuts to our cities, towns and counties. Tough love.
His poll numbers are slowly rising, but I only tell this story to prove that if a politician does whatever it takes to straighten out a problem, it comes at the expense of his or her constituents. And career politicians (which are most of them) just won't do that.
that's true. At last, we agree. Our political system is screwed up in that it began promising people government money in exchange for people's votes. It's the same problem in the European countries. they did this for a long time, so they were borrowing money to do it until they went broke from borrowing money and not being able to pay it back. I agree that the politicians should be governing, admistering the laws, protecting the country, not giving people money in exchange for votes. It's human nature. Look at Greece, Spain, the Scandanavian countries. They were all promised health care, early government pensions, SS, all kinds of things. Well, it all goes along for about one generation's lifetime, maybe 50 years or so, and then it goes under from debt.

You are right that John Kasich did the right thing. I heard him say to Neil Cavuto one time that we need entitlements for the 21st century, not for the second half of the 20th century, meaning, they had promised people big government pensions and early retirements back in the 1950s when folks lived to be 62, and when 80 million baby boomers were all working and paying taxes, they promised everyone SS and Medicare when people died at 62, when very few were on those things. Today it is 2012, today people live to be 80-100, today the baby boomers are leaving the work force and we don't have a big younger generation to carry the burden of paying those pensions and SS and Medicare to the baby boomers. Kasich is a good guy. He tried to put a stop to the huge state pensions. But you are right that everyone gets mad when the politicians are honest with the people and when the politicians don't give people money. The problem is eventually everyone ends up on the government with no one paying for any of it, and then the nation goes broke and everyone ends up having to get off of the government and everyone gets mad, then they get used to it. Before 1929, the Great Depression, there as no welfare, no GA cash, no food stamps, no free health care, no SS, no unemployment insurance,no Medicare. People saved their own money and they only had as many kids as they could afford to support themselves. That's how you get back to having no debt, you put an end to the government dependency programs, and it would also reduce the population overall and it would allow for the strongest to survive.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5040 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>James Hanson, the NASA scientist who is the foremost expert in global warming, wrote in his latest book that we have to STOP using coal NOW otherwise the Earth will be too hot for humans to live in in 20 years from now. He also said we HAVE to leave the sand tar and shale oil in the ground otherwise it will be too late in just 20 more years.
and Because hansen says so that dont mean its true. And even if it so, We dont have any choice at this time there isnt anything else to replace coal. The coal is safer than nuclear, When a earthquake destroys a coal plant nothing happens. When it strikes a nuclear you have a japan type disaster.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5041 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>James Hanson, the NASA scientist who is the foremost expert in global warming, wrote in his latest book that we have to STOP using coal NOW otherwise the Earth will be too hot for humans to live in in 20 years from now. He also said we HAVE to leave the sand tar and shale oil in the ground otherwise it will be too late in just 20 more years.
&#8592; Update on Bob Phelan – GOAL MET way to go WUWT’ers!!The “Toxic Twenty”: Keeping America’s Lights On &#8594;NASA’s James Hansen is just wrong: Proof that there is no increased drought in the USA tied to temperature
Posted on August 12, 2012 by Anthony Watts
From the James Hansen is just wrong department comes some inconvenient data, data that Dr. Hansen or anyone in the media could have easily looked up for themselves before writing irresponsible stories like this one:

Former Virginia State Climatologist Dr. Pat Michaels, in a guest opinion on WUWT said:

Hansen claims that global warming is associated with increased drought in the US. This is a testable hypothesis which he chose not to test, and, because PNAS isn’t truly peer-reviewed for Members like him, no one tested it for him.

I have [examined] drought data [that] are from NCDC, and the temperature record is Hansen’s own. His hypothesis is a complete and abject failure.

I’ve looked at the data too, and I agree, Hansen’s hypothesis is a dud, and in no way supported by NOAA’s own data to be “scientific fact”. But, because it has been spread by an irresponsible and incurious media, its is a dangerous “dud”.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5042 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. People would own the wind mills on their land and own the solar panels on their land, so the big oil and gas companies would not own you, not own OUR oil. Did you know most of the oil left in the U.S. is on government land, meaning we own it and we could drill it up to pay off our debt? Did you know most of the remaining world oil is owned by nations, by the people of countries, it is nationalized? The value of an oil company is how much reserves are out there, if nations own their own oil and those nations don't like us, the oil companies go out of business, which is why Bush invaded Iraq to take that oil for Exxon and BP to control it so they don't go out of business since oil is running out, and that is why they want to invade Iran, to get the nationalized oil in Iran. If you add in the cost of the oil wars, we are paying trillions for for gas than you think we are. the minute China tries to grow again, the price of oil goes right back to $150 a gallon, so get ready for $7 a gallon gas for good.
the wind speed at my home is 4MPH at the moment and the fastest It has ever been is 29 MPH during a big storm. Wind is unreliable. And the sun dont shine at nite and on cloudy days. the batterys for storage are very costly and dont last long. No way can those alternatives replace coal. Did you know the big oil companies only make about 8 cents on every gallon of gas sold at the pump. And thay have to drill the wells pump and refine the crude. Transport it and furnish the stations & pumps and pay all the employees wages ect. for only 8 cents per gallon. Yet the federal goverment gets 47 cents from every gallon and does nothing to earn that 47 cents. Big oil & big coal are all that left keeping the USA working, And less than 10% of the crude is imported to the USA is from the middle east.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5043 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>James Hanson, the NASA scientist who is the foremost expert in global warming, wrote in his latest book that we have to STOP using coal NOW otherwise the Earth will be too hot for humans to live in in 20 years from now. He also said we HAVE to leave the sand tar and shale oil in the ground otherwise it will be too late in just 20 more years.
Hansen is liar who consistently Fakes his data. Him and Al gore are charlatans.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5044 Sep 7, 2012
Global economy entering into financial hurricane
September 7, 2012 – ECONOMY - The North Atlantic hurricane season runs from mid-August to October, with a strong peak in storm activity around the middle of September. A less familiar but even more destructive pattern of disturbances is the financial hurricane season, which coincides with the meteorological one almost to the day. Most of the great financial crises of modern history have occurred in the two months following mid-August: the Wall Street crashes of Oct. 22, 1907, Oct. 24, 1929, and Oct. 19, 1987; Britain’s abandonment of the gold standard on Sept. 19, 1931; the postwar sterling devaluation on Sept. 19, 1949; the collapse of the Bretton Woods global monetary system on Aug. 15, 1971; the Mexican default that triggered the Third World debt crisis on Aug. 20, 1982; the breakup of the European exchange-rate mechanism on Sept. 16, 1992; the Russian default on Aug. 17, 1998, the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers on Sept. 15. 2008 – and this list could go on. The coincidence between financial and meteorological hurricanes may not be entirely fortuitous. The global economy, like the world’s atmosphere, is a finely balanced complex system. In such systems, small perturbations can accumulate to trigger big effects. And just as the meteorological tipping points tend to occur when autumn air circulation starts to disrupt the humid air accumulated in the summer doldrums, something similar seems to happen to financial markets when trading becalmed by the summer holidays returns to normal. The result can be sudden and violent reaction to events accumulated over the summer that markets had seemed to ignore. The world economy does not, of course, experience hurricanes with the same regularity as the Caribbean. But when big events happen over the summer, financial disturbances become quite probable in the fall. This is probably the reason why September has historically been the worst month of the year for stock market performance. In fact, September is the only month in which Wall Street prices have, on average, declined since the 1920s. The question now is whether the world economy has already adjusted to the potentially disruptive and disappointing economic events of the summer, or whether the summer doldrums in financial trading were merely the calm before the storm
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5045 Sep 7, 2012
Time of Trouble: The testing period begins this week with Thursday’s ECB meeting and Friday’s U.S. job figures. Further challenges to financial confidence are likely from the German constitutional court verdict on euro bailouts on Wednesday and the Federal Reserve decision on quantitative easing the following day. But rather than focusing again on these familiar issues, it is worth considering some worrying developments recently in other parts of the world. In China, economic activity has failed to accelerate as expected, despite repeated attempts at monetary and fiscal stimulus. This could mean simply that the government and the central bank have not yet done enough. It is possible, however, that the Chinese economy has become too complex to be managed and fine-tuned as effectively as in the past. Or perhaps the disappointing results of Chinese stimulus thus far reflect a broader failure of monetary policy, which is becoming evident around the world. Recent disappointments in Britain support the latter interpretation. The British economy has enjoyed no growth for two years now, since David Cameron’s government decided on a radical experiment in fiscal belt-tightening, hoping that monetary expansion would offset the deflationary effects. This week Cameron responded to the failure of this experiment by sacking many of his ministers and announcing a new “pro-growth” strategy. On closer inspection, however, this “new” policy was simply doubling down on the one that failed. The growth measures consist mainly of promises to build unpopular new airports and railways from 2015 onwards. Meanwhile, the government will continue to cut spending and raise taxes, hoping that further monetary handouts to banks and bond investors will revive growth. The experience of the past four years suggests this is unlikely. But if Britain cannot revive its economy with monetary easing, why should better results be expected from the Fed? Ben Bernanke, in last week’s Jackson Hole speech, effectively promised to keep pumping money into the U.S. bond markets until he achieved a strong economic recovery. But given that QE has failed to deliver full employment in 2010-12, why should it work any better in 2013? Pumping money into the banks was a very effective emergency measure to prevent the collapse of the U.S. and British financial systems – and it could be equally effective in preventing the breakup of the euro, if only the German government would permit it. But financial stability and economic growth are different problems, and they may require different solutions. Unfortunately policymakers do not seem to understand this distinction. In the U.S. and Britain they refuse to acknowledge that printing money can ever be counterproductive. In Germany, by contrast, they refuse to accept that printing money can ever work. Which brings us finally to the most important source of instability that threatens a financial hurricane this autumn – the impending clash between the ECB, Germany and the rest of the euro zone. This conflict, to which I will return next week, is certain to intensify between now and the next European summit on Oct. 19 – a date still well within the financial hurricane season.–Insurance Journal
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#5046 Sep 7, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text>&#8592; Update on Bob Phelan – GOAL MET way to go WUWT’ers!!The “Toxic Twenty”: Keeping America’s Lights On &#8594;NASA’s James Hansen is just wrong: Proof that there is no increased drought in the USA tied to temperature
Posted on August 12, 2012 by Anthony Watts
From the James Hansen is just wrong department comes some inconvenient data, data that Dr. Hansen or anyone in the media could have easily looked up for themselves before writing irresponsible stories like this one:
Former Virginia State Climatologist Dr. Pat Michaels, in a guest opinion on WUWT said:
Hansen claims that global warming is associated with increased drought in the US. This is a testable hypothesis which he chose not to test, and, because PNAS isn’t truly peer-reviewed for Members like him, no one tested it for him.
I have [examined] drought data [that] are from NCDC, and the temperature record is Hansen’s own. His hypothesis is a complete and abject failure.
I’ve looked at the data too, and I agree, Hansen’s hypothesis is a dud, and in no way supported by NOAA’s own data to be “scientific fact”. But, because it has been spread by an irresponsible and incurious media, its is a dangerous “dud”.
The rich went into China because they could manufacture and pollute the air and water so badly and not have to pay anything to clean it up and now we have 100 year floods and these big droughts. Due to American companies moving to China, China grew and grew, so it builds a new coal plant every 7-10 days that would power a city the size of San Diego. It's not a matter of is global warming real. 99 percent of the population admits it is real, it's a matter of do we stop it now or in 20 years from now do we all die from it? The ONLY people who still claim it is not real are a few very far right loons like Limbaugh and Hannity. Everyone else knows it's real. And, everyone knows cheap oil has run out. If not, oil would not have gone from $20 a barrel to $150 a barrel. The ONLY reason it even went back down at all is the whole world is currently in a recession. Wait until the U.S. or China or India tries to expand, to grow, the price of oil goes right back up to over $150 a barrel because all of the easy to get at, cheap oil has been used up. Why aren't the news channels talking about the end of cheap oil and the real impacts of destroying those old growth forests to scrape up sand tar oil and about how expensive it is to drill 3 miles beneath the ocean floor to get oil and how much water fracking for shale oil and for natural gas we are now using? If we run out of forests and out of water just to get at more oil, then what?? We all die, that's what. Saudi Arabia has no more fresh water so they use over 100 million barrels of oil just to process salt water into fresh water. Other countries are moving onto wind and solar. Other countries have 80 percent energy efficiency, while we have a very low energy efficiency rate. We can't simply deny global warming and stay on carbon energy, unless you all want to die very soon.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5047 Sep 7, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>The rich went into China because they could manufacture and pollute the air and water so badly and not have to pay anything to clean it up and now we have 100 year floods and these big droughts. Due to American companies moving to China, China grew and grew, so it builds a new coal plant every 7-10 days that would power a city the size of San Diego. It's not a matter of is global warming real. 99 percent of the population admits it is real, it's a matter of do we stop it now or in 20 years from now do we all die from it? The ONLY people who still claim it is not real are a few very far right loons like Limbaugh and Hannity. Everyone else knows it's real. And, everyone knows cheap oil has run out. If not, oil would not have gone from $20 a barrel to $150 a barrel. The ONLY reason it even went back down at all is the whole world is currently in a recession. Wait until the U.S. or China or India tries to expand, to grow, the price of oil goes right back up to over $150 a barrel because all of the easy to get at, cheap oil has been used up. Why aren't the news channels talking about the end of cheap oil and the real impacts of destroying those old growth forests to scrape up sand tar oil and about how expensive it is to drill 3 miles beneath the ocean floor to get oil and how much water fracking for shale oil and for natural gas we are now using? If we run out of forests and out of water just to get at more oil, then what?? We all die, that's what. Saudi Arabia has no more fresh water so they use over 100 million barrels of oil just to process salt water into fresh water. Other countries are moving onto wind and solar. Other countries have 80 percent energy efficiency, while we have a very low energy efficiency rate. We can't simply deny global warming and stay on carbon energy, unless you all want to die very soon.
Mans activities dont have any real or lasting effect on the planet. you cannott take something and make it into nothing. you cant take nothing & make it into something. For every action there is an equal & oppositr reaction. It all comes out even steven. The reason for all these clatyclismic disasters is we are nearing the end of an age. The poles are shifting. the sunspot activity is increasing. There is a planetery alignment set to occur during the winter equinox. This isnt anything new it has happened before. It happened at the time of the Exidous. once the year had 10 months of 30 days each. after the poleshift they needed a new calander so we got 12 months and 365 &1/4 days per year. just what do you think caused the glaciers that covered most of north america? What do you think caused them to melt? I hope the pole shift happens soon. All you idiots in calif will be gone. It will truly become survival of the fittest. Those who are self reliant crafty and have Know How + the fortitide to do what is necessairy will survive. those who expect the goverment to provide for them will perish.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5048 Sep 7, 2012
http://www.zetatalk.com/finegan/story2.htm This is a link to a fictional story of just what things might possibly be like after the pole shift. Dont just offhand dismiss the warnings given the Revelations and by Nostradamus Edgar Cayce & others. The prepetuation of your unique genetic DNA through your offspring could just depend on actions you take now! It certainly may never happen but it wont hurt to learn all you can just in case.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5049 Sep 7, 2012
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
That's exactly what we want to go back to because Reagan was able to turn an impossible economy into a prosperous economy. Bush did the same thing when he first got elected, and that too stimulated the economy. If not for the housing problems, we would have enjoyed it right up to his last day in office and even beyond.
What doesn't work is Obama. He thinks that giving away money to his union and environmental friends will do something for our bad situation. He thinks the way to turn the economy around is to put a few hundred thousand teachers and construction workers back to work for a year, and that will get a country of 315 million people working again. The economy doesn't work like that.
This is why unemployment is higher than when DumBama took office, over 1/3 higher debt, the most Americans on government assistance in the history of our country, median income down for the Americans whoa are working, and the slowest recovery (if you want to call it that) in our history.
Total BS. Reagan turned the USA from the world's largest creditor into the world's largest debtor.

No miracle, just poor Republiscum management...as usual.

Bush trashed the economy, losing 850,000 jobs A MONTH with GDP shrinking by 9%. That is not a Recession. That is DEPRESSION.

We are still working ourselves, slowly but surely, out of the BushHole but Ryan/Romney are trying to push us back in so they can bop us over the head and steal our money.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5050 Sep 7, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
http://www.zetatalk.com/finega n/story2.htm This is a link to a fictional story of just what things might possibly be like after the pole shift. Dont just offhand dismiss the warnings given the Revelations and by Nostradamus Edgar Cayce & others. The prepetuation of your unique genetic DNA through your offspring could just depend on actions you take now! It certainly may never happen but it wont hurt to learn all you can just in case.
Just when I thought you could not be dumber you surprise me.

Go and put your head in a hole in the ground so the poles will only shift your rear.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#5051 Sep 7, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> Hansen is liar who consistently Fakes his data. Him and Al gore are charlatans.
James Hansen is worth 1 million of you...or would be if you were worth anything.
Tony

Broken Arrow, OK

#5052 Sep 7, 2012
Republicans hate that all Americans will have access to health care.
No worse thing

Omaha, NE

#5053 Sep 7, 2012
Me, I would get to watch my daughter die before 50, watch my granddaughter suffer and endure throughout the rest of my lifetime.

it is simple for me, with this law in place, my daughter has a great chance to outlive me, without it I will most likely watch her die; if I life a normal life.

All this in the greatest country in the world that chooses to turn its back on life for political reasons. I cringe when I see conservative rantings "preserve life, womb to tomb; and know they really mean preserve life for those who have the wealth to afford it.

But as Glen Beck so eloquently put it; I should be grateful for the years provided to spend with our daughter, not cry to insurance companies or Americans to help her. I defer to his wisdom.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5054 Sep 7, 2012
No worse thing wrote:
Me, I would get to watch my daughter die before 50, watch my granddaughter suffer and endure throughout the rest of my lifetime.
it is simple for me, with this law in place, my daughter has a great chance to outlive me, without it I will most likely watch her die; if I life a normal life.
All this in the greatest country in the world that chooses to turn its back on life for political reasons. I cringe when I see conservative rantings "preserve life, womb to tomb; and know they really mean preserve life for those who have the wealth to afford it.
But as Glen Beck so eloquently put it; I should be grateful for the years provided to spend with our daughter, not cry to insurance companies or Americans to help her. I defer to his wisdom.
Being a denilaist wont change anything. It Obama care or not it wont make any difference. When it is a person,s time to go they are outta here. Its as simple as that. everyone of us is going to die.
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Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#5056 Sep 7, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
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Just when I thought you could not be dumber you surprise me.
Go and put your head in a hole in the ground so the poles will only shift your rear.
The magnetic north pole shifted ove 40 miles in 2011. the south pole also shifted I dont know how much. You are nothing but a childish troll who is still giving me free rent in his head.

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