If Health Law Is Overturned, What Will Liberals Do?

Mar 28, 2012 Full story: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com 4,941

If the Supreme Court strikes down all or part of President Obama 's health care law , it will have unraveled a legislative compromise that many liberals had viewed with suspicion from the beginning.

In one of the ironies of recent politics, Mr. Obama was a late convert to the merits of the individual mandate that now appears to be in danger of being declared unconstitutional.

But the president’s embrace of the mandate — and his willingness to abandon a so-called public option to get a health care deal — was a hard pill to swallow for many of his Democratic supporters.

The Affordable Care Act promises to provide health insurance to millions who lacked it. But it also stops far short of the idea that health care is a basic right for everyone living in the country. And it embraces the market-based system of private health care delivery that has long existed in America.

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“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#21 Mar 28, 2012
history wrote:
The "morality" of back door deals, insider information, screwing over the public, selling senate seats and being run by the mafia is vastly superior to the generally pastorial setting of rural Kansas...? Um...ok George.
You're just describing how the Koch Brothers, Sam Brownback, etc. do business and projecting it onto people much more morally superior to scum like you and them.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#22 Mar 28, 2012
Unbelievable wrote:
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I don't believe a Supreme Court ruling can be appealed, can it?
SCOTUS frequently sends stuff back to the appellate and district courts.
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The Chicago Way

Junction City, KS

#24 Mar 29, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
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The morality of "The Chicago Way" is vastly superior to yours.
"ON MARCH 15th the former governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, will start to serve a 14-year sentence for corruption in a federal low-security prison. In this part of America, he is treading a well-worn path. Over four decades, four governors (out of seven) have been convicted of corruption."

"Chicago...has the dubious distinction of being the federal district with the most convictions since 1976."

"Since then, 1,828 elected officials, appointees, government employees and a few private individuals have been convicted of corruption in Illinois, and 84% of these were in its Northern District—a judicial zone which contains the entire Chicago metropolitan area. During this time around one-third of the city’s aldermen have been convicted of corruption."

"...the report documents a pattern of crime that has become synonymous with the Chicago or Illinois “way” of doing things. All the corrupt governors and 26 of the aldermen had tried to extract bribes from builders, developers, business owners and those seeking to do business with the city or the state. Those who paid bribes either assumed, or were told, that payment was necessary for zoning changes, building permits or any other government action."

http://www.economist.com/node/21548264

Moral superiority. LOL!
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its an odd thing

Andover, KS

#26 Mar 29, 2012
AntiMelting wrote:
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I don't have to buy a car.
You're right, you don't have to buy a car so you don't need the insurance. However, we all need medical care and those who can pay end up paying for those who don't.
It sure is getting confusing:
For 20 years the Republicans fought for the individual mandate, they finally convice the democrats that is is a good and fair thing, now they don't want' it.
The Republicans don't want to make the rich pay the same percentage of tax as the poor, but think we should allchip in and pay higher medical rates to cover those who choose or are unable to pay for their own medical.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#27 Mar 29, 2012
The Chicago Way wrote:
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"ON MARCH 15th the former governor of Illinois, Rod Blagojevich, will start to serve a 14-year sentence for corruption in a federal low-security prison. In this part of America, he is treading a well-worn path. Over four decades, four governors (out of seven) have been convicted of corruption."
"Chicago...has the dubious distinction of being the federal district with the most convictions since 1976."
"Since then, 1,828 elected officials, appointees, government employees and a few private individuals have been convicted of corruption in Illinois, and 84% of these were in its Northern District—a judicial zone which contains the entire Chicago metropolitan area. During this time around one-third of the city’s aldermen have been convicted of corruption."
"...the report documents a pattern of crime that has become synonymous with the Chicago or Illinois “way” of doing things. All the corrupt governors and 26 of the aldermen had tried to extract bribes from builders, developers, business owners and those seeking to do business with the city or the state. Those who paid bribes either assumed, or were told, that payment was necessary for zoning changes, building permits or any other government action."
http://www.economist.com/node/21548264
Moral superiority. LOL!
Blago is ineed morally superior to Brownback in many different ways. during his service in Congress he never sought to seek government title over women's bodies. Blago is a rascal who got caught; Brownback is an evil MF who belongs to the Opus Dei cult. Because you are a stupid person in a lower stage of Kohlberg's moral scale you are unable to see that.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#28 Mar 29, 2012
its an odd thing wrote:
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You're right, you don't have to buy a car so you don't need the insurance. However, we all need medical care and those who can pay end up paying for those who don't.
It sure is getting confusing:
For 20 years the Republicans fought for the individual mandate, they finally convice the democrats that is is a good and fair thing, now they don't want' it.
The Republicans don't want to make the rich pay the same percentage of tax as the poor, but think we should allchip in and pay higher medical rates to cover those who choose or are unable to pay for their own medical.
The R's changed because of the tea party scum who endorse the idea that healthy young people shouldn't have to pay sht, and sick old ones deserve to die.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#29 Mar 29, 2012
history wrote:
First they'll cry about what a travesty it was to strike it down just because its unconstitutional. Then the dems will hold more secret meetings and lock out the republicans just like they did when this stinker was passed. They'll probably try to find another way to make an end run around the constitution and shove it up our collective asses again, while continuing to lie about its content.
Yes, Obama is quite happy to use an Executive Order to do many things and since the MSM is so in the bag for him they will never raise any hue or cry. Good call.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#30 Mar 29, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
Meh. It looks bad, but oral arguments seldom reflect what the decision will be. Ross Douthat thinks the act will be upheld, but if it is not, it will be better for Obama in November. I think on the second part he's right.
As for the first, I can't understand how those who do not object to mandatory auto insurance have a leg to stand on objecting to HCR.
Either way, it ain't over.
Because it is a STATE mandate, not a government mandate. This has been explained too many times for this type if misinformation to still be out in the public domain. States CAN mandate where the Government may not. It's call Sovereignty, State Sovereignty trumps the Sovereignty of the Government. The Fed. has Sovereignty but WITH LIMITS. It's all in POD 101, too bad they apparently don't teach this in schools anymore.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#31 Mar 29, 2012
what irony wrote:
What's really interesting is that it was the Republicans for 20 years who tried to move forward with the individual mandate - the very thing they are now professing to be so unconstitutional is the very thing that was the centerpiece of their 1993 healthcare reform.
Now that the Democrats are finally understanding how important it is and coming around to the Republican way of thinking - now, the republicans don't like it.
LOL - No, what's ironic is that the left is STILL trying to push this opinion. Yes, many years ago it was looked into, found to be unwieldly and unworkable and dropped. End of story.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#32 Mar 29, 2012
Aphelion wrote:
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Manditory auto insurance is to protect those whom you damage thier vehicle or property with your vehicle. The Health Care law only burdens citizens with the purchase of a product that has no protection or benefit to anyone other than the person mandated to purchase it.
There is a difference.
Of course there is, I spent way too much time yesterday trying to explain to a TEACHER the difference between the gasoline tax for highways and LIABILITY ins. for cars, with absolutely NO joy at all. That simple concept was just way over her level I guess, this little cannard has been floated for years as a reasonable explaination of why the government can mandate health insurance for all, and not just any old health ins. but a very full coverage insurance that most of us don't want or need. I think they will resist to the bitter end any reasonable and rational explaination about the difference. The left has been handed their scripts and they will NOT deviate from them, come hell or high water. Waste of time trying to educate them of the facts.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#33 Mar 29, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
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Yes, Obama is quite happy to use an Executive Order to do many things and since the MSM is so in the bag for him they will never raise any hue or cry. Good call.
Gotta play the world's smallest fiddle for you.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#34 Mar 29, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
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Because it is a STATE mandate, not a government mandate. This has been explained too many times for this type if misinformation to still be out in the public domain. States CAN mandate where the Government may not. It's call Sovereignty, State Sovereignty trumps the Sovereignty of the Government. The Fed. has Sovereignty but WITH LIMITS. It's all in POD 101, too bad they apparently don't teach this in schools anymore.
State government, federal government = both are government. This ain't 1867, idiot.

“Dump Brownback ”

Since: Oct 10

Junction City KS

#35 Mar 29, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
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LOL - No, what's ironic is that the left is STILL trying to push this opinion. Yes, many years ago it was looked into, found to be unwieldly and unworkable and dropped. End of story.
Wrong; the R's saw an issue that resonated with the teabagger scum whose votes they need. Romenycare = Obamacare.

But, yes, single payer would have been much, much better.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#36 Mar 29, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
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Wrong; the R's saw an issue that resonated with the teabagger scum whose votes they need. Romenycare = Obamacare.
But, yes, single payer would have been much, much better.
Are you as stupid as you sound or are you just another liberal loon troll? Just asking.
Susan Rothman

Los Alamitos, CA

#37 Mar 29, 2012
We better hope the Mob doesn't burn DC to the ground if the Bill is killed.

We do need to craft a good health care bill which won't have such a negative impact on quality and availability of health care. Basic coverages for EVERY citizen should be the goal. BASIC is fair to everyone concerned and we should all agree to pay for the Basics.
irony

Andover, KS

#38 Mar 29, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
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LOL - No, what's ironic is that the left is STILL trying to push this opinion. Yes, many years ago it was looked into, found to be unwieldly and unworkable and dropped. End of story.
You can't wish away the facts. This was not some random thing that was looked at and dropped. It was a two-decade-long fight that culminated during the Clinton administration. A compromise to Clinton's healthcare reform bill could not be reached in part because Republicans would not back down from the mandate.
Not a pretty little fact for today's Republicans, but a fact all the same.
The sad part is that during that time the Republican Party had respect and when they said they cared about the American people and the Constitution, it was almost believable. A lot has changed in 20 years.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#39 Mar 29, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
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State government, federal government = both are government. This ain't 1867, idiot.
Maybe, when you get to High School and reach either the 11th or 12th grade they will teach you about the constitution and states rights and federal rights, and the differences between the two. I have neither the time or inclination to educate you at this time. Until then, I would suggest that you hold your insults until you can reply from a place of learning, intelligence and reality. Thank you.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#40 Mar 29, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
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Wrong; the R's saw an issue that resonated with the teabagger scum whose votes they need. Romenycare = Obamacare.
But, yes, single payer would have been much, much better.
LOL - Just which in mommy's basement typing away blog did you get that bit of total misinformation from? Come on, wait until you're older, in a higher grade and have a bit more education before talking about something you obviously know nothing about. God, really, children are soooo irrational.

“Baby Obama”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#41 Mar 29, 2012
The Kangaroo wrote:
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But you do have to ride in one (or a bus or taxi, etc.) making you part of the problem and thus liable.
That has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever heard.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#42 Mar 29, 2012
Susan Rothman wrote:
We better hope the Mob doesn't burn DC to the ground if the Bill is killed.
We do need to craft a good health care bill which won't have such a negative impact on quality and availability of health care. Basic coverages for EVERY citizen should be the goal. BASIC is fair to everyone concerned and we should all agree to pay for the Basics.
Occupy Wall Street still skulking around occupying something?

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