The Tea Party is dead - again

The Tea Party is dead - again

There are 1305 comments on the Washington Times story from Oct 20, 2013, titled The Tea Party is dead - again. In it, Washington Times reports that:

Following the GOP surrender last week, the meme has been that the GOP suffered a huge defeat and that the Tea Party is dead.

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Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1347 Nov 13, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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Again, lobbying itself has been around since the country began. There are good and bad lobbyists. I'm saying corporate lobbyists have more influence over legislation than most.
ummm..hello? as i clearly stated, it is the foundation of our form of governance. of course it has been around since then!

so you only want the lobbyists that you like...i see.

again, i clearly outlined the problem that has led to the lobbying problem. the problem is not our form of governance, it is our complacent electorate.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1348 Nov 13, 2013
Teaman wrote:
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What would be your definition of a rational conservative?
Woodtick!

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#1349 Nov 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Woodtick!
LOL, good one!
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#1350 Nov 13, 2013
You may be correct about the Great Society programs, but that does nothing to dilute the truth today; as it has been for a couple decades that It is the Republican Senators and Representatives in Congress who are sent to Washington from those States and Districts that are the majority of the financial burden to Social programs and federal aid spending.

There is just no impeaching that being the truth
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Liberals are the ones that put these people on the dole to begin with too with their Great Society just like they are doing with Obamacare and it came out today in the News today that medicaid is Obamacare's overhaul's early success story.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/medicaid-health...

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#1351 Nov 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>ummm..hello? as i clearly stated, it is the foundation of our form of governance. of course it has been around since then!
so you only want the lobbyists that you like...i see.
again, i clearly outlined the problem that has led to the lobbying problem. the problem is not our form of governance, it is our complacent electorate.
Hello? I agreed it has been a foundation of our governance.

It's not a question of what lobbyists I like. It's about power and money.

Do you feel accurate information,[all] of the information without spin, is reaching the complacent electorate? That includes both sides, BTW.

In the case of one of our senators, no one seems to be aware of scandals involving him. He was reelected to my surprise.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1352 Nov 13, 2013
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello? I agreed it has been a foundation of our governance.
It's not a question of what lobbyists I like. It's about power and money.
Do you feel accurate information,[all] of the information without spin, is reaching the complacent electorate? That includes both sides, BTW.
In the case of one of our senators, no one seems to be aware of scandals involving him. He was reelected to my surprise.
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/...
yes it is readily available. one has to actually look for it.

democracy is a participatory sport.

Since: Aug 11

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#1353 Nov 13, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
You may be correct about the Great Society programs, but that does nothing to dilute the truth today; as it has been for a couple decades that It is the Republican Senators and Representatives in Congress who are sent to Washington from those States and Districts that are the majority of the financial burden to Social programs and federal aid spending.
There is just no impeaching that being the truth
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Remember it was the Liberals that passed the Social Programs of the Great Society which created this financial burden we have today here in the US and in no way is the Liberals going to repeal their Social Welfare Programs that were part of their Great Society legislation in any shape or form which they know these programs have been Socially and Economically detremential to the United States but it is part of the Wealth Redistribution Scheme if you get right down to it.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1354 Nov 13, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Remember it was the Liberals that passed the Social Programs of the Great Society which created this financial burden we have today here in the US and in no way is the Liberals going to repeal their Social Welfare Programs that were part of their Great Society legislation in any shape or form which they know these programs have been Socially and Economically detremential to the United States but it is part of the Wealth Redistribution Scheme if you get right down to it.
if those programs funds has not been used as a piggy bank for the rest of the gov't they would still be paying for themselves. you can't take all the money out of a program and then complain that its bankruptcy is due to a failure of the program.

and this doesn't even take into account the cost of taking care of those people if there weren't these programs.

the real world is fun!
Eric Gustafson

Virginia Beach, VA

#1355 Nov 13, 2013
That doesn't begin to justify why so many Republicans in those Republican leaning Districts and States are on the dole.

The Red State Southerners are the very people who put nothing in and take much out, leeching off the sweat and sacrifice of the Liberals who pay the bills.
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Remember it was the Liberals that passed the Social Programs of the Great Society which created this financial burden we have today here in the US and in no way is the Liberals going to repeal their Social Welfare Programs that were part of their Great Society legislation in any shape or form which they know these programs have been Socially and Economically detremential to the United States but it is part of the Wealth Redistribution Scheme if you get right down to it.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#1356 Nov 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if those programs funds has not been used as a piggy bank for the rest of the gov't they would still be paying for themselves. you can't take all the money out of a program and then complain that its bankruptcy is due to a failure of the program.
and this doesn't even take into account the cost of taking care of those people if there weren't these programs.
the real world is fun!
It has been that way since 1937 when the SCOTUS ruled in Helvering v. Davis which the Court had ruled that Social Security was not a contributory insurance program, saying,“The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.” which this should tell somebody that the Social Security Trust Fund as politicans like to call it is actually the US Treasury General Fund and it is broke and running on borrowed money as the Clinton administration’s Fiscal Year 2000 Budget explained it:

These [Trust Fund] balances are available to finance future benefit payments and other Trust Fund expenditures—but only in a bookkeeping sense. They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits.

Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will
have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits or other expenditures. The existence of large Trust Fund balances, therefore, does not, by itself,
have any impact on the Government’s ability to pay benefits.

Then in 1960 the Liberal Majority on SCOTUS or the Warren Court ruled in Flemming Vs Nestor and reaffirmed that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to individuals which proved the Federal Government has always had the right to spend the Social Security tax money collected by both the employees and employers anyway the Federal Government wants.

Warren Court

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Court

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#1357 Nov 13, 2013
Eric Gustafson wrote:
That doesn't begin to justify why so many Republicans in those Republican leaning Districts and States are on the dole.
The Red State Southerners are the very people who put nothing in and take much out, leeching off the sweat and sacrifice of the Liberals who pay the bills.
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Liberals dont pay the bills they create them just like they did with the Great Society by making people members of the Entitlement Society and forcing them on the dole just like Obamacare is making more people forced onto the dole besides I think the reason why people in south vote Republican has to with the Democrats past actions there in the south and their way of life they promoted which is why alot of the people who have lived most of there lives there don't forget the values the Democrats held there too which you will find some Democrats that still hold to those Racist Views from the 1960's which has alot of an social affect of why People mostly vote Republican which there is alot of people who still dont trust the State Democrat Party in the southern states which was the party for the Jim Crow Laws and also against the 1964 Civil Rights Act Bill.

Southern Democrats

Southern Democrats still did and do see much support on the local level, however, and many of them are not nearly so liberal as the Democratic party as a whole. Southern general elections in which the Democrat is to the right of the Republican are still not entirely unheard of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democra...

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#1358 Nov 13, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Remember it was the Liberals that passed the Social Programs of the Great Society which created this financial burden we have today here in the US and in no way is the Liberals going to repeal their Social Welfare Programs that were part of their Great Society legislation in any shape or form which they know these programs have been Socially and Economically detremential to the United States but it is part of the Wealth Redistribution Scheme if you get right down to it.
You mean like the SS benefits Paul 'Lyin' Ryan collected that he wants to deny to the rest of us? Like all you teabag mooching hypocrites, redistribution to yourselves is fine, don't you agree?

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1359 Nov 13, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>It has been that way since 1937 when the SCOTUS ruled in Helvering v. Davis which the Court had ruled that Social Security was not a contributory insurance program, saying,“The proceeds of both the employee and employer taxes are to be paid into the Treasury like any other internal revenue generally, and are not earmarked in any way.” which this should tell somebody that the Social Security Trust Fund as politicans like to call it is actually the US Treasury General Fund and it is broke and running on borrowed money as the Clinton administration’s Fiscal Year 2000 Budget explained it:
These [Trust Fund] balances are available to finance future benefit payments and other Trust Fund expenditures—but only in a bookkeeping sense. They do not consist of real economic assets that can be drawn down in the future to fund benefits.
Instead, they are claims on the Treasury that, when redeemed, will
have to be financed by raising taxes, borrowing from the public, or reducing benefits or other expenditures. The existence of large Trust Fund balances, therefore, does not, by itself,
have any impact on the Government’s ability to pay benefits.
Then in 1960 the Liberal Majority on SCOTUS or the Warren Court ruled in Flemming Vs Nestor and reaffirmed that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to individuals which proved the Federal Government has always had the right to spend the Social Security tax money collected by both the employees and employers anyway the Federal Government wants.
Warren Court
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Court
that in no way changes the fact that if the money were used for what it is there for, it would be solvent. it is not the system that is broken, it is the system keepers.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#1360 Nov 13, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>You mean like the SS benefits Paul 'Lyin' Ryan collected that he wants to deny to the rest of us? Like all you teabag mooching hypocrites, redistribution to yourselves is fine, don't you agree?
Federal Government can and it is stated right on the Social Security website which the Liberals on the SCOTUS in the 1960 case of Fleming v. Nestor ruled that workers have no legally binding contractual rights to their Social Security benefits, and that those benefits can be cut or even eliminated at any time and you want to keep the liberal scam going.

Warren Court of the SCOTUS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Court

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#1361 Nov 13, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>that in no way changes the fact that if the money were used for what it is there for, it would be solvent. it is not the system that is broken, it is the system keepers.
The system was broken years ago when Social Security first started because by law the Social Security tax was never suppose to be no more than 1% on the Employee and 1% on the Employer and even the FDR adminstration's own actuaries including FDR & Francis Perkins knew that Social Security would never work at the current tax rate and the only thing that was keeping Social Security going at the time was there was more people dying before they could ever draw Social Security which alot of them never reached 65. Something else alot of people don't realize is that Social Security Contributions were originally supposed to deposited in Personal Banks for Individuals but it was FDR that changed that because FDR felt that individuals Social Security Contributions were saver in the hand of the Federal Government than the banks which he didnt trust since the Federal Government had to bailout them out but you are right the system keepers proved FDR wrong too.

Property Rights: The Hidden Issue of Social Security Reform

By Charles E. Rounds Jr.

April 19, 2000

http://www.cato.org/publications/social-secur...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1362 Nov 14, 2013
Teaman wrote:
The same people who supported NAFTA.
NAFTA was Ronald Reagan idea, Tea Bagged.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1363 Nov 14, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>The system was broken years ago when Social Security
SSI going strong, AnalButter.

You find those Lincoln letters yet?

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#1364 Nov 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
NAFTA was Ronald Reagan idea, Tea Bagged.
You must have missed the part about the US Chamber of Commerce lobbying.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#1365 Nov 14, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>The system was broken years ago when Social Security first started because by law the Social Security tax was never suppose to be no more than 1% on the Employee and 1% on the Employer and even the FDR adminstration's own actuaries including FDR & Francis Perkins knew that Social Security would never work at the current tax rate and the only thing that was keeping Social Security going at the time was there was more people dying before they could ever draw Social Security which alot of them never reached 65. Something else alot of people don't realize is that Social Security Contributions were originally supposed to deposited in Personal Banks for Individuals but it was FDR that changed that because FDR felt that individuals Social Security Contributions were saver in the hand of the Federal Government than the banks which he didnt trust since the Federal Government had to bailout them out but you are right the system keepers proved FDR wrong too.
Property Rights: The Hidden Issue of Social Security Reform
By Charles E. Rounds Jr.
April 19, 2000
http://www.cato.org/publications/social-secur...
yes, as you pointed out, it was drafted for a world that was very different that the world today, or even twenty years ago.

this doesn't change the fact that it is not the system that is broken, but the implementation of it, i.e., the incorrect use of the funds.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#1366 Nov 14, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Federal Government can and it is stated right on the Social Security website which the Liberals on the SCOTUS in the 1960 case of Fleming v. Nestor ruled that workers have no legally binding contractual rights to their Social Security benefits, and that those benefits can be cut or even eliminated at any time and you want to keep the liberal scam going.
Warren Court of the SCOTUS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Court
Blah blah blah. You didn't address my point that a the hypocrite Lyin' Ryan collected SS benefits. The program he wants to do away with and privatize. You teabaggibng morons have a real problem with your constant HYPOCRISY.

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