Obama aides seek to counter Republican charges on 'fiscal cliff'

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The Obama administration sought to counter Republican charges on Friday that President Barack Obama's plan to avoid a year-end "fiscal cliff" is light on spending cuts and too reliant on tax increases.

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Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#90 Dec 4, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>I listen to NPR too and I've NEVER heard ANYTHING even remotely negative about any of Obama's policies,on ANY program from that nest of socialists.
Uh, well, A-hole, that's because President Obama is the BEST president we've ever had. Should NPR make up schit, like FUX News does, you know, "math that makes Republicans feel good"? LOL
Ratliff

Orlando, FL

#91 Dec 4, 2012
Real history of what really happens in the real world (instead of rightwing fantasies): National debt was irrelevant to the collapse of Iceland. What melted down the Iceland economy was PRIVATE BANK DEBT set off by DEREGULATION.

"The 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis is a major economic and political crisis in Iceland that involved the collapse of all three of the country's major commercial banks following their difficulties in refinancing their short-term debt and a run on deposits in the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. Relative to the size of its economy, Iceland’s banking collapse is the largest suffered by any country in economic history.[1]
In late September 2008, it was announced that the Glitnir bank would be nationalised. The following week, control of Landsbanki and Glitnir was handed over to receivers appointed by the Financial Supervisory Authority (FME). Soon after that, the same organization placed Iceland's largest bank, Kaupthing, into receivership as well. Commenting on the need for emergency measures, Prime Minister Geir Haarde said on 6 October, "There [was] a very real danger ... that the Icelandic economy, in the worst case, could be sucked with the banks into the whirlpool and the result could have been national bankruptcy."[2] He also stated that the actions taken by the government had ensured that the Icelandic state would not actually go bankrupt.[3] At the end of the second quarter 2008, Iceland's external debt was 9.553 trillion Icelandic krónur (€50 billion), more than 80% of which was held by the banking sector.[4] This value compares with Iceland's 2007 gross domestic product of 1.293 trillion krónur (€8.5 billion).[5] The assets of the three banks taken under the control of the FME totaled 14.437 trillion krónur at the end of the second quarter 2008.[6]"
Ratliff

Orlando, FL

#92 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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the congress is doing what we elected them to do. They were also elected and received a mandate. Of course as a dictator wannabe obammy and the left use these names and I am sure threatening to arrest them isn't far behind. Before it over with obammy will announce himself king and send us conservatives to reeducation camps where many of us will never be heard from again. That is the way socialism usually works.
Real history of what really happens in the real world (instead of rightwing fantasies): National debt was irrelevant to the collapse of Iceland. What melted down the Iceland economy was PRIVATE BANK DEBT set off by DEREGULATION.

"The 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis is a major economic and political crisis in Iceland that involved the collapse of all three of the country's major commercial banks following their difficulties in refinancing their short-term debt and a run on deposits in the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. Relative to the size of its economy, Iceland’s banking collapse is the largest suffered by any country in economic history.[1]
In late September 2008, it was announced that the Glitnir bank would be nationalised. The following week, control of Landsbanki and Glitnir was handed over to receivers appointed by the Financial Supervisory Authority (FME). Soon after that, the same organization placed Iceland's largest bank, Kaupthing, into receivership as well. Commenting on the need for emergency measures, Prime Minister Geir Haarde said on 6 October, "There [was] a very real danger ... that the Icelandic economy, in the worst case, could be sucked with the banks into the whirlpool and the result could have been national bankruptcy."[2] He also stated that the actions taken by the government had ensured that the Icelandic state would not actually go bankrupt.[3] At the end of the second quarter 2008, Iceland's external debt was 9.553 trillion Icelandic krónur (€50 billion), more than 80% of which was held by the banking sector.[4] This value compares with Iceland's 2007 gross domestic product of 1.293 trillion krónur (€8.5 billion).[5] The assets of the three banks taken under the control of the FME totaled 14.437 trillion krónur at the end of the second quarter 2008.[6]"

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#93 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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the congress is doing what we elected them to do. They were also elected and received a mandate.
Yes, KNEEPADS, Americans told them they wanted the tax cut for the upper two percent to expire.

They also told them they grow tired whiny moma's boys stomping their feet crying about losing yet ANOTHER election.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#94 Dec 4, 2012
Ratliff wrote:
<quoted text>Real history of what really happens in the real world (instead of rightwing fantasies): National debt was irrelevant to the collapse of Iceland. What melted down the Iceland economy was PRIVATE BANK DEBT set off by DEREGULATION.

"The 2008–2012 Icelandic financial crisis is a major economic and political crisis in Iceland that involved the collapse of all three of the country's major commercial banks following their difficulties in refinancing their short-term debt and a run on deposits in the Netherlands and the United Kingdom. Relative to the size of its economy, Iceland’s banking collapse is the largest suffered by any country in economic history.[1]
In late September 2008, it was announced that the Glitnir bank would be nationalised. The following week, control of Landsbanki and Glitnir was handed over to receivers appointed by the Financial Supervisory Authority (FME). Soon after that, the same organization placed Iceland's largest bank, Kaupthing, into receivership as well. Commenting on the need for emergency measures, Prime Minister Geir Haarde said on 6 October, "There [was] a very real danger ... that the Icelandic economy, in the worst case, could be sucked with the banks into the whirlpool and the result could have been national bankruptcy."[2] He also stated that the actions taken by the government had ensured that the Icelandic state would not actually go bankrupt.[3] At the end of the second quarter 2008, Iceland's external debt was 9.553 trillion Icelandic krónur (€50 billion), more than 80% of which was held by the banking sector.[4] This value compares with Iceland's 2007 gross domestic product of 1.293 trillion krónur (€8.5 billion).[5] The assets of the three banks taken under the control of the FME totaled 14.437 trillion krónur at the end of the second quarter 2008.[6]"
copy and paste is all you can do? Pity
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#95 Dec 4, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, KNEEPADS, Americans told them they wanted the tax cut for the upper two percent to expire.

They also told them they grow tired whiny moma's boys stomping their feet crying about losing yet ANOTHER election.
no they didn't. All those republicans also won election
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Ratliff

Orlando, FL

#97 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
<quoted text>
copy and paste is all you can do? Pity
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scien...

Why Liberals Are More Intelligent Than Conservatives
Liberals think they’re more intelligent than conservatives because they are

It is difficult to define a whole school of political ideology precisely, but one may reasonably define liberalism (as opposed to conservatism) in the contemporary United States as the genuine concern for the welfare of genetically unrelated others and the willingness to contribute larger proportions of private resources for the welfare of such others. In the modern political and economic context, this willingness usually translates into paying higher proportions of individual incomes in taxes toward the government and its social welfare programs. Liberals usually support such social welfare programs and higher taxes to finance them, and conservatives usually oppose them.

Defined as such, liberalism is evolutionarily novel. Humans (like other species) are evolutionarily designed to be altruistic toward their genetic kin, their friends and allies, and members of their deme (a group of intermarrying individuals) or ethnic group. They are not designed to be altruistic toward an indefinite number of complete strangers whom they are not likely ever to meet or interact with. This is largely because our ancestors lived in a small band of 50-150 genetically related individuals, and large cities and nations with thousands and millions of people are themselves evolutionarily novel.

The examination of the 10-volume compendium The Encyclopedia of World Cultures, which describes all human cultures known to anthropology (more than 1,500) in great detail, as well as extensive primary ethnographies of traditional societies, reveals that liberalism as defined above is absent in these traditional cultures. While sharing of resources, especially food, is quite common and often mandatory among hunter-gatherer tribes, and while trade with neighboring tribes often takes place, there is no evidence that people in contemporary hunter-gatherer bands freely share resources with members of other tribes.

Because all members of a hunter-gatherer tribe are genetic kin or at the very least friends and allies for life, sharing resources among them does not qualify as an expression of liberalism as defined above. Given its absence in the contemporary hunter-gatherer tribes, which are often used as modern-day analogs of our ancestral life, it may be reasonable to infer that sharing of resources with total strangers that one has never met or is not likely ever to meet – that is, liberalism – was not part of our ancestral life. Liberalism may therefore be evolutionarily novel, and the Hypothesis would predict that more intelligent individuals are more likely than less intelligent individuals to espouse liberalism as a value.

Analyses of large representative samples, from both the United States and the United Kingdom, confirm this prediction. In both countries, more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be liberals than less intelligent children. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “very liberal” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 106.4, whereas those who identify themselves as “very conservative” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 94.8.

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#98 Dec 4, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
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Uh, well, A-hole, that's because President Obama is the BEST president we've ever had. Should NPR make up schit, like FUX News does, you know, "math that makes Republicans feel good"? LOL
Election's so over...why do these clown's want to cover the same ground again?...THEY LOST.....

Since: Oct 12

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#99 Dec 4, 2012
Ratliff wrote:
I listened to a program on NPR in which they interviewed an economist for the International Monetary Fund about the banking and financial crisis. He said through the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, and seventies the total debt owed by private American citizens to financial institutions bounced along at varying percentages without ever going above 50% of GDP, until the eighties (UNDER REAGAN) when it began exceeding 50%.
There have only been two years in history in which the debt owed by American citizens reached 100% of GDP. The first time was 1929 (UNDER HOOVER). The second time was 2007 (UNDER BUSH).
Great Post....don't get too wound up, by these losers...they haven't accepted defeat yet.....

Since: Feb 11

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#100 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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no they didn't. All those republicans also won election
Obama = 332
Romney = 206

Mandate: 2 percent tax cut for millionaires dies with him.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#101 Dec 4, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Obama = 332
Romney = 206

Mandate: 2 percent tax cut for millionaires dies with him.
not a mandate. He barley won. All those republicans also won. Many by much larger margins than obammy

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#102 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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not a mandate. He barley won.
Barley, eh, Kneepads?

Mandate.

He won.

You lost.

And even more people agree with allowing the tax cut for millionaires to expire than who vote for Obama (who, again...won).

I know: I only have facts and you have left over tea bag rhetoric from losing the election.

Save it for 2016.

Since: Feb 11

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#103 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
Many by much larger margins than obammy
You are pulling things out of your much impacted azz, Kneepads.

Here are the facts:

Obama won. He ran on the tax cut not being extended to the top two percent.

That is where the negotiations start.

Since: Feb 11

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#104 Dec 4, 2012
McGruff wrote:
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copy and paste is all you can do? Pity
Throwing stones at glass houses is another thing you do, Kneepads.

We know the other thing you are good at.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#105 Dec 5, 2012
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> How much treasonous obstruction, by House republicans must americans put up with before this mutant version of the GOP, becomes completely insignificant?
Obama Consults with MSNBC Hosts Sharpton, Maddow on Tax Rates... TELL US DIMWIT, WHAT ARE THESE CLOWN GOING TO DO ABOUT THE CLIFF AND TAX..........NOTHING. Tell your boy to get off the stage and back to work.
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#107 Dec 5, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Obama Consults with MSNBC Hosts Sharpton, Maddow on Tax Rates... TELL US DIMWIT, WHAT ARE THESE CLOWN GOING TO DO ABOUT THE CLIFF AND TAX..........NOTHING. Tell your boy to get off the stage and back to work.
Seemingly impossible...yet, you are even less significant now, than before the election.....
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#108 Dec 5, 2012
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Seemingly impossible...yet, you are even less significant now, than before the election.....
tea party & their teaturds are dead. Only the remaining teaturd zombies post here.....aimlessly.

hahahahahahahahaha
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#109 Dec 5, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are pulling things out of your much impacted azz, Kneepads.
Here are the facts: Obama won. He ran on the tax cut not being extended to the top two percent.That is where the negotiations start.
Does Boehner and his loser gang of republicannots know that!? LOLL
McGruff

Hodgenville, KY

#110 Dec 5, 2012
Obammy is throwing a hissy fit. I say let's go over the cliff. Let's go from there and see what obammy can get done the next four years. See if he will get anything he wants

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#111 Dec 5, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
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tea party & their teaturds are dead. Only the remaining teaturd zombies post here.....aimlessly.
hahahahahahahahaha
Yeah, i see Allen West is already on Fux...it was that or the cartoon network.....

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