Labor faces a moment of truth

Labor faces a moment of truth

There are 20665 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Feb 21, 2011, titled Labor faces a moment of truth. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

As organized labor hails an unprecedented moment of unity playing out amid a sea of supporters marching in Madison, Wis., union officials elsewhere are quietly wringing their hands about the risks of a high-stakes and historic loss against Gov.

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Since: Jul 08

Saint Paul, MN

#20899 Apr 11, 2012
Yellow Star Seed is Back wrote:
<quoted text>
RE: Obama and gas prices
"Republicans understand a president can't do much about high gas prices. Tapping the strategic oil reserve and investigating price fixing are band-aids, not long term solutions that will help bring prices back to levels that are less painful.
Still, the GOP will happily point the finger at President Obama for the rise pat $4 a gallon. In fact, Republicans are thrilled to hear drivers already blame Obama for their pain at the pump. It's a fresh angle of attack, now that unemployment rate is sliding and solid job creation this year makes joblessness less of a clarion call"
The Kiplinger Letter
Either`you are an idiot republican or you are recruiting idiots into the republican party.
As I posted with sources before, cheap oil is over, all new oil is harder to get or requires more refinement. That is reality.
is that not what happened when the gas prices were high under bush, those oil men bush and cheney caused it, seen that a few thousand times, now obama is behind the wheel and it is not his fault?

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#20900 Apr 11, 2012
Seattle Slew wrote:
<quoted text>Obama white house pays women in less important jobs less, just like most employers... Nice try at spin, but wash the dirt out first, liar ! LMAOROTFu~! As for the ribbon cutting, where were you when the banks gave bonuses WITH OUR money under Bush.. Sure finger pointing is nice, but look at them pointing back... Show me Obama knew in advance or you're still SPINNNINNNNGGGG !~
Your spin don't win. Here try this one.

Hillary Clinton Sides with Palestinians Over Republicans...

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#20901 Apr 11, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>FUNNY Obama is blaming his whole failed presidency on Bush. The buck stop somewhere else.
we don't have any bucks left......that's the problem.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#20902 Apr 11, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately, as in the healthcare bill when a majority did not like it, they did not agree on the reason they did not like it.
The Republican Party has sacrificed this nation for political purposes. The difference between the Ryan/Romney budget and President Obama's budget really is not in the number of dollars spent, it is where they are are spent.
And yet, all the Republicans do is complain about the debt and the deficit. What is the projected debt when Ryan has his first balanced budget? How many years out is it?
It comes down to whether or not you want to subsidize big oil or whether you want to save SS and Medicare.
We just cut $2 Tril from the 10-year spending plan. Ryan/Romney immediately took that $2 Tril cut in spending and gave a $2 Tril tax cut to top earners. So how much would that actually cut the deficit?
SO are they serious about the deficit or are they serious about rewarding themselves with tax cuts?
Show us in Obama's budget where it cut 4.3 trillion.....you can't because obama's goes up 3 trillion. You're sure not a good liar.

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#20903 Apr 11, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>is that not what happened when the gas prices were high under bush, those oil men bush and cheney caused it, seen that a few thousand times, now obama is behind the wheel and it is not his fault?
Txactly.

“"Tanners Flat" U dummy”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#20904 Apr 11, 2012
Exactly
Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20905 Apr 11, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>
so when you move you should dispose of the ID from the other state, plus you wont renew 2 drivers license because that is illegal also, registration with a ID DOES CONFIRM who you are, unless that white guy saying he was eric holder was eric holder and that address. How do you prosecute someone that said they were bill smith but were not? how do you prove that is not bill smith? Why is a ID
[required] for anything if it does nothing
Moron reads I said [required], cannot read well.
But he did throw a insult in there for no reason like a 5 year old.
Yeah, you said required Just Wired DUMB MORON ! LMAOROTFu~! Like shooting dumb fish with a A-BOMB !
flyspury

Luxemburg, WI

#20906 Apr 11, 2012
We are union, we are workers.

There is a war on workers.

You see it everywhere: It is in the Republican party and it is in the Tea Party, it is in the people that fight what we believe in.

And we see the war in Wisconsin where they try to take collective bargaining from our public employees. And will soon try to take it from the private sector


We have to keep an eye on the battle we face — a war on workers.

And you see it everywhere

there is the Tea Party. And you know there is only one way to beat and win that war.

It is going to be the workers of Wisconsin and Ohio – we are going to win that war.
We’ve got a bunch of people there that don’t’ want the president to succeed, and they are called the Tea Party – the people who don’t want him to do anything right and he is working hard for us.

President Obama is the only candidate that has the working mans back
Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20907 Apr 11, 2012
Trolls wrote:
<quoted text>And in your opinion, unions have nothing to do with the price?
And in your opinion, overpaid management has nothing to do with increasing American non-competitive prices ??? Oops ! The worker's pay could be explained BY THEIR WORK and absorbed BY THE TRANSPORT PRICE, why are the managers OVERPAID ???

Pay for Performance
According to Business Week, the average CEO of a major corporation made 42 times the average hourly worker's pay in 1980. By 1990 that had almost doubled to 85 times. In 2000, the average CEO salary reached an unbelievable 531 times that of the average hourly worker.

"Pay for performance", tying executive compensation to the financial success of their company, has become very popular in the past decade. In the face of the largest bull market ever, that isn't surprising. It also isn't realistic. What CEO honestly believes that all or most of the appreciation in value of their company is due to their own talent?

ZD Net's Total Compensation Vs. Total Return To Shareholders chart (no longer online), shows that total return to shareholders was higher for many companies whose CEO compensation was under $500,000 than for companies who paid their CEOs multi-million dollar compensation.
Judge-it Judy

Mt Meadows Area, CA

#20908 Apr 11, 2012
flyspury wrote:
We are union, we are workers.
There is a war on workers.
You see it everywhere: It is in the Republican party and it is in the Tea Party, it is in the people that fight what we believe in.
And we see the war in Wisconsin where they try to take collective bargaining from our public employees. And will soon try to take it from the private sector
We have to keep an eye on the battle we face — a war on workers.
And you see it everywhere
there is the Tea Party. And you know there is only one way to beat and win that war.
It is going to be the workers of Wisconsin and Ohio – we are going to win that war.
We’ve got a bunch of people there that don’t’ want the president to succeed, and they are called the Tea Party – the people who don’t want him to do anything right and he is working hard for us.
President Obama is the only candidate that has the working mans back
unions = organized crime
union dues = protection money
there is no place for union mob bosses in our government

gfy
start your own business

quit being a worthless incompetent leech
Seattle Slew

Kent, WA

#20909 Apr 11, 2012
unions=organized workers
management=waste of money !
American management is OVERPAID !
Pay for Performance
According to Business Week, the average CEO of a major corporation made 42 times the average hourly worker's pay in 1980. By 1990 that had almost doubled to 85 times. In 2000, the average CEO salary reached an unbelievable 531 times that of the average hourly worker.
"Pay for performance", tying executive compensation to the financial success of their company, has become very popular in the past decade. In the face of the largest bull market ever, that isn't surprising. It also isn't realistic. What CEO honestly believes that all or most of the appreciation in value of their company is due to their own talent?
ZD Net's Total Compensation Vs. Total Return To Shareholders chart (no longer online), shows that total return to shareholders was higher for many companies whose CEO compensation was under $500,000 than for companies who paid their CEOs multi-million dollar compensation.
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Seattle Slew

Saint Paul, MN

#20911 Apr 12, 2012
Seattle Slew wrote:
unions=organized workers
management=waste of money !
American management is OVERPAID !
Pay for Performance
According to Business Week, the average CEO of a major corporation made 42 times the average hourly worker's pay in 1980. By 1990 that had almost doubled to 85 times. In 2000, the average CEO salary reached an unbelievable 531 times that of the average hourly worker.
"Pay for performance", tying executive compensation to the financial success of their company, has become very popular in the past decade. In the face of the largest bull market ever, that isn't surprising. It also isn't realistic. What CEO honestly believes that all or most of the appreciation in value of their company is due to their own talent?
ZD Net's Total Compensation Vs. Total Return To Shareholders chart (no longer online), shows that total return to shareholders was higher for many companies whose CEO compensation was under $500,000 than for companies who paid their CEOs multi-million dollar compensation.
Why would anyone give any credence to something said by the same person who told everyone: "Little boi, is my favorite toy but it sure breaks EZ ! LMAOROtfU~!" ?

Fired from the Post Office and enjoys telling the world about playing with little bois...not the type of person I think has an opinion on anything I want to hear.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#20912 Apr 12, 2012
TSM wrote:
<quoted text>
Okboston if Obama’s budget had the right Balance than why did it fail to get one Democrats Vote?
His budget like the Republican budget are political budgets. There is a difference though, the Constitution gives the budget job to the House of Representatives, not the President.

So how much more does the Republican budget add to the debt before it reaches a balance?

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#20913 Apr 12, 2012
Judge-it Judy wrote:
<quoted text>
proving you wrong/stupid...
again'
thats why you resort to name calling
you can not debunk what I said loser
you backpedaling liar
Isn't that your name from the name to used to post under? I think so.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#20914 Apr 12, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Show us in Obama's budget where it cut 4.3 trillion.....you can't because obama's goes up 3 trillion. You're sure not a good liar.
Using your standard, show where the Ryan/Romney budget cuts spending.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#20915 Apr 12, 2012
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Show us in Obama's budget where it cut 4.3 trillion.....you can't because obama's goes up 3 trillion. You're sure not a good liar.
He is not a liar. You are an idiot.

Obama put 4 trillion on the table during the last argument on the debt ceiling.

Republicans said no & wanted 2 trillion in cuts.

These be facts.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#20916 Apr 12, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>is that not what happened when the gas prices were high under bush, those oil men bush and cheney caused it, seen that a few thousand times, now obama is behind the wheel and it is not his fault?
Bush actually did thongs that raised the price of oil.

1) War in Iraq. Sabre rattling in Iran. Rekindling the cold war with Russia This action basically tool oil from $20/25 to $60/65.

Iraq was a war of choice based on lies told to the American People & Congress. Shortly after that war started, he threatened Iran. Iraq & Iran are in the top 5 in oil reserves.

Bush then angered Russia by trying to put missiles at their front door. Russia - a top 5 oil producer.

2) While Oil was high, Bush raised the demand by expanding the National Reserve - Raising prices.

No one said Bush is responsible for all the rises in oil. But his actions did raise the price significantly.

Now its your turn.

List the actions Obama took to raise the price of oil.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#20917 Apr 12, 2012
jw in the grove wrote:
<quoted text>FUNNY Obama is blaming his whole failed presidency on Bush. The buck stop somewhere else.
That is not true at all.

Obama's starting point is the state of the economy when he took office allowing some time to get things in line.

The right blames him for job losses starting Jan 21st of 2009. You ignore the trend of growing massive job losses & think he should have cut off all losses that day.

This shows what a pack of morons you are.

For you & your new hero Mitt Romney to blame Obama for job losses from day 1 is dishonest.

His economic record shows him starting with 750,000 job losses a month to a string of over 20 straight months of job growth in the private sector. Starting with a shrinking economy & taking us to a growing economy.

You choose to blame Obama for spending that was etched in stone when he took office.

Loss of revenues, added spending for those caught up in the recession, stimulus action, war expenses.

Meanwhile, the right refuses to admit their part. They blame Pelosie even though they can't identify a single bill the Democrats passed in 2007 that led us into this recession.

But here you are. Blaming others for being dishonest.

Too funny.

The Economy is only a failure if you go back into 2006.

Compare our economy today to where it was on Jan 21st 2009 allowing time for Obama's actions to take effect and its many many many times better.

Since: May 11

Chambersburg, PA

#20918 Apr 12, 2012
Trolls wrote:
<quoted text>And in your opinion, unions have nothing to do with the price?
Only if you think people should all work for minimum wage.

Unions had a lot to do with workers making a living wage with good benefits.
SLEW SLAYER

Blue Bell, PA

#20919 Apr 12, 2012
It is funny to see the PAID TROLL Seattle Slew post over and over again trying to get someone, anyone to respond.

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