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Will Playing Nice Pay Off for GOP in Filibuster Fight?

There are 84 comments on the Roll Call story from Dec 2, 2012, titled Will Playing Nice Pay Off for GOP in Filibuster Fight?. In it, Roll Call reports that:

McCain, ranking Republican on the Armed Services Committee, said Nov. 29 that he and Chairman Carl Levin made a conscious decision to prove to others that the Senate can still function without cutting off some avenues for filibusters in January.

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McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#45 Dec 3, 2012
Ex-GOP Con wrote:
<quoted text>You're talking out of both sides of your mouth (or maybe a$$) in this case. You say there was no budget but blame him for all the spending and none of the cuts. You can't have it both ways. You've lost all credibility.
yes I am right. Entitlements have went up. Specials bills have been passed like unending unemployment, and the failed stimulus.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#46 Dec 3, 2012
Ex-GOP Con wrote:
<quoted text>You're talking out of both sides of your mouth (or maybe a$$) in this case. You say there was no budget but blame him for all the spending and none of the cuts. You can't have it both ways. You've lost all credibility.
where did he cut? Any at all?

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#47 Dec 3, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
and he throws like a girl....thanks libs, you've outdone yourself this time.
As we all know, it is a requirement for the presidency that one throw like Walter Johnson.

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#48 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
Based on Obama and Geitner's proposals on the budget and debt crisis, it appears that Obama learned something after all with all those appearences on Letterman. How to be a weak comic.
Now if you could only learn how to be a coherent poster.

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#49 Dec 3, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
he will when he gets back from his 20 day hawaaiin vacation
How dare Obama take only a fraction of the vacation time takenby Dubya? A president needs some down time. Of course in Bush's case, each day he stayed away meant one less calamity.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#50 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Until he leads as a President, and for All of America, he is just still an Organizer, that can't get organized.
Really? LOL

Um, he organized a RE-ELECTION as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, Rmoney, not so much.

All you A-holes could take some lessons from community organizers.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#51 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>If he has the political courage, why is he asking the republicans to make concessions.
Because HE WON (4 years). They won (2 years). They have to decide if they want to lose all the tax cuts or just some.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#52 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my, another brain fart.
Sorry to hear about your problem. Try not to inhale them.
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#53 Dec 3, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry pookie. His approval is already dropping. There is no mandate.
LOL Dream on. His mandate for 4 MORE YEARS doesn't even start until the end of January 2013!

We're seeing him just toy with the GOP lame ducks for now. We're ALL enjoying the 1% schitting it's pants as it has to pay higher taxes.

Since: Oct 08

Lilburn, GA

#54 Dec 3, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>As we all know, it is a requirement for the presidency that one throw like Walter Johnson.
yes, The Big Train could bring it.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#55 Dec 3, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>How dare Obama take only a fraction of the vacation time takenby Dubya? A president needs some down time. Of course in Bush's case, each day he stayed away meant one less calamity.
It's really Richard Nixons fault, he started it.
nobama

Los Angeles, CA

#56 Dec 3, 2012
RustyS wrote:
The great thing about the current Senate budget proposal is, in the future, Obama can raise the debt ceiling as he sees fit, without approval from Congress. Should save a lot of time.
Which is why that budget proposal should never pass. Look at the mess he already has us in with his liberal spending.

There are those who just dont know how to add.
nobama

Los Angeles, CA

#57 Dec 3, 2012
Ex-GOP Con wrote:
<quoted text>
President Obama compromised the last two years on spending cuts. Spending cuts WERE made. Look at NASA!
It's time for Boehnor and the GOP TEA RINOs to finally get serious and start working with the President instead of against him. What has the GOP TEA RINOs compromised? President Obama gave them their additional two years of Bush tax cuts extended already ALONG with spending cuts and they STILL behaved like stubborn little brats. The GOP are the "wimps" with no plan. It's time for them to make the concessions. They can't weasel out of this one.
You say he has a mandate, so whats the problem?

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#58 Dec 4, 2012
Ex-GOP Con wrote:
<quoted text>
President Obama compromised the last two years on spending cuts. Spending cuts WERE made. Look at NASA!
It's time for Boehnor and the GOP TEA RINOs to finally get serious and start working with the President instead of against him. What has the GOP TEA RINOs compromised? President Obama gave them their additional two years of Bush tax cuts extended already ALONG with spending cuts and they STILL behaved like stubborn little brats. The GOP are the "wimps" with no plan. It's time for them to make the concessions. They can't weasel out of this one.
The fool Obama is proposing 1.6 trillion in new spending and 400 billion in cuts. He wants a higher cliff.

House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement:


In a letter sent to President Obama today, House Republican leaders made a new offer to avert the fiscal cliff centered around a middle ground approach first presented to Congress last year by President Clinton’s former White House chief of staff, Erskine Bowles. The Bowles plan, presented in 2011 to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, is consistent with the framework House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) proposed the day after the election: a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and new revenues from tax reform with fewer loopholes and lower tax rates. This is another attempt to jumpstart substantive, good faith negotiations toward a bipartisan solution that can be enacted soon, a stark contrast to the unserious proposal the White House put forward last week.

In a document obtained by Right Turn from House Republicans, the plans match up as follows:


President’s Deficit Reduction

Tax Rates Increases:$960B

Elimination of Deductions:$600B

Spending Cuts:$400B



New Stimulus/Other

Infrastructure Spending:-$95-425B

Payroll Tax Extension:-$110B

Unemployment Insurance:-$30B

Stimulus Tax Extenders:-$27B

Unpaid for SGR Patch:-$25B

Mortgage Plan: Unknown

Elimination of Debt Limit: N/A

NET SAVINGS:(At most)$1.673T



House Republican Counter

(Based on the Bowles Proposal to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction)

Deficit Reduction

Revenue through Tax Reform:$800B

Health Savings:$600B

Other Mandatory Savings:$300B

Revision to CPI:$200B

Further Discretionary Savings:$300B

NET SAVINGS:$2.2T

A House leadership aide told Right Turn that “the GOP offer includes more deficit reduction than the White House offer last week, which included hundreds of billions in new ‘stimulus’ spending. Our net deficit reduction is $2.2 trillion, but if we were to utilize White House schemes to count (1) previously-enacted Budget Control Act savings,(2) a war savings gimmick, and (3) further interest savings, our proposal would result in $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction savings, much more than theirs.”

So we have the potential for a deal that is somewhere between Bowles’s plan last year and the president’s plan. It is not, however, a matter of simply total savings. The Republicans have included far less revenue, as well as less revenue to be obtained through tax reform. The Democrats have yet to present a substantive offer that looks at systemic entitlement reform. The Republicans have shown that, contrary to the liberal-media meme, Boehner and not Grover Norquist controls the House.(And we expect this is not even the final GOP offer, leaving room for more revenue perhaps.)

We are far from a deal. We’re not close, but we are no longer “nowhere.” Your turn, Mr. President.
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au contraire

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#60 Dec 4, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
<quoted text> Because HE WON (4 years). They won (2 years). They have to decide if they want to lose all the tax cuts or just some.
By Dana Milbank,
Dec 04, 2012 12:51 AM EST

The Washington Post Published: December 3

“My administration,” President Obama wrote on his first day in office,“is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government.”

Those were strong and hopeful words. Four years later, it is becoming more and more clear that they were just words.

On Monday afternoon, open-government advocates assembled in a congressional hearing room to ponder what had become of the Obama administration’s lofty vows of transparency.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#61 Dec 4, 2012
Gary wrote:
The Senate Republicans are in THE minority.
Enough of their sabotage.
Enough of their poisoning the well.
Shut 'em down!
If they can't get past Harry Reid, they can't bring anything to the floor for a vote and they don't have a majority vote, how is it they control the Senate? Perhaps leading from behind is catching on!
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#62 Dec 4, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>By Dana Milbank,
Dec 04, 2012 12:51 AM EST
The Washington Post Published: December 3
“My administration,” President Obama wrote on his first day in office,“is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government.”
Those were strong and hopeful words. Four years later, it is becoming more and more clear that they were just words.
On Monday afternoon, open-government advocates assembled in a congressional hearing room to ponder what had become of the Obama administration’s lofty vows of transparency.
Whatever he said and did, America LOVED it. He was RE-elected and has a mandate.
McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#63 Dec 4, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever he said and did, America LOVED it. He was RE-elected and has a mandate.
no mandate when you barley win. House republicans also WON. Many with much larger margins than the FOOL obammy
Makes sense

Dearborn, MI

#64 Dec 4, 2012
Sorry, LOSER, 3,000,000 votes is not barely winning. He clobber Rmoney in the electoral votes as well.
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McGruff

Elizabethtown, KY

#66 Dec 4, 2012
Makes sense wrote:
Sorry, LOSER, 3,000,000 votes is not barely winning. He clobber Rmoney in the electoral votes as well.
yes it is barley winning. The margin was tight.

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