As immigration vote looms, some south...

As immigration vote looms, some southern Democrats get queasy

There are 30 comments on the McClatchy story from Feb 18, 2013, titled As immigration vote looms, some southern Democrats get queasy. In it, McClatchy reports that:

Immigration isn’t a touchy subject just for many Republicans. Southern and moderate Democrats also may be a bit skittish about the idea of granting a path to citizenship for the nation’s 11 million illegal immigrants.

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Since: Aug 11

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#1 Feb 18, 2013
all involved should feel sick about this foolish idea,looking back to 86 and what we now have shows all infavor of it want close 90 million on the next push being all know there will be no security involved.
MVSteve

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Feb 18, 2013
“I oppose amnesty, but a pathway to citizenship can take a lot of different forms.”

Let’s get over this, and admit we are talking about amnesty.

Waiving deportation by giving “probationary legal status” is amnesty, regardless of whether or not permanent legal status must await security measures being in place, and regardless of whether or not the rest of the path to citizenship is “earned” by some paltry fine, learning English, etc.

Legalization, with or without citizenship, means that deportation is waived. Waiving deportation is amnesty. There is either deportation (and the threat thereof) or amnesty. One or the other. There is no middle ground. And it’s just a fact that a real deportation and threatened deportation disincentive is essential to any effective national policy of regulating immigration. A deportation policy that comes and goes with the political winds can only undermine the regulation of immigration.

Per Mission Viejo’s Rule of Law Resolution:“The contemplated gain of illegal immigration is presence in the United States, with the opportunities such presence provides. The indispensable, minimum sanction needed to deter and prevent illegal entry and illegal presence is removal from the United States, with the resulting elimination of the opportunities presented. With anything less, there is little deterrence, and immigration lawbreaking pays: the lawbreaker knows he will come out ahead, even after being apprehended and paying the prescribed penalty.”

A second mass amnesty would likely have the same effect as the 1986 “Amnesty Mistake”(so termed by Reagan’s Attorney General Edwin Meese,“Reagan Would Not Repeat Amnesty Mistake,” Human Events, December 13, 2006, www.humanevents.com ), encouraging foreigners to come here illegally in the hope of obtaining jobs and being the beneficiaries of future mass amnesties. It would to a significant extent undermine the border and internal compliance measures that President Obama would supposedly enforce.

Americans who want to understand and defend the rule of law principle on which our country was founded would do well to read Mission Viejo’s Rule of Law Resolution. Anyone who sends an email to missionviejoruleoflawresolutio n@aol.com, and asks for it, will be sent the Resolution and the supporting Research Paper by email as a PDF document.

Since: Aug 11

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#3 Feb 18, 2013
mission viejo

these guys who allow this?

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/02/13/parents...
Juan

Pearland, TX

#4 Feb 18, 2013
Heck.......millions of Americans are feeling queasy. LOL
nope to dope

Dallas, TX

#5 Feb 18, 2013
Juan wrote:
Heck.......millions of Americans are feeling queasy. LOL
Heck the juan from pearland is what lands on the floor after one feels too queasy...
ronnie

Provo, UT

#6 Feb 18, 2013
We are losing our Country to 3rd world cultures. Obama golfed today with Tiger Woods. When the Media tried to approach the Course, they realized the entire Clubhouse and golf course had 8 foot fences and concrete walls around it. That's the reality people. He and Corporate America will never have to deal with poverty, and corruption that the common Man will have to. The South should be concerned and raise a huge disagreement with the whole mess. We cannot take care of our own Population let allow 11-20 million Mexicans to become legal. Can any of you imagine the cost in dollars and entitlement's alone? Then add in chain migration and the ones that won't even qualify and /or have recently jumped in?Amazing to watch this great Country tumble into hell.

Since: Jun 11

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#7 Feb 18, 2013
Here's my amnesty - Tell all illegals we forgive their crime of invading america - and then hang them.
Concerned citizen

United States

#8 Feb 18, 2013
Has anyone ever thought that these people don't actually want "citizenship". The vast majority of these Mexicans simply come to work for a period of time and then return home to Mexico. They aren't like the immigration waves (italian, irish) of previous eras who bring their entire families with the intent of actually becoming Americans. They just want to earn cash under the table and leave. Why would they want to become "legal"?!? Then they have to pay taxes. If they get sick and go to the emergency room they might actually be forced to pay for the service they receive instead of simply getting it for free like they do now. They don't have any intention of paying into the "system" because they don't plan on living their lives here. Why would they want to do that when they can simply get a free ride the whole time they are here?
RUFUS

Florence, SC

#9 Feb 19, 2013
Concerned citizen wrote:
Has anyone ever thought that these people don't actually want "citizenship". The vast majority of these Mexicans simply come to work for a period of time and then return home to Mexico. They aren't like the immigration waves (italian, irish) of previous eras who bring their entire families with the intent of actually becoming Americans. They just want to earn cash under the table and leave. Why would they want to become "legal"?!? Then they have to pay taxes. If they get sick and go to the emergency room they might actually be forced to pay for the service they receive instead of simply getting it for free like they do now. They don't have any intention of paying into the "system" because they don't plan on living their lives here. Why would they want to do that when they can simply get a free ride the whole time they are here?
This is it, entirely. I talked to 3 guys this morning laying block for a new pool about being the new citizens..they just look at me and laugh..they could care less..just want to work for cash and stay in their own little world. The Mexican music blaring on and on..not a word of english is ever heard and 5 of the 6 men cannot speak 1 word of English..yet we are making these guys US citizens when they dont even care? Our elected leaders are so wrong.
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MVSteve

Los Angeles, CA

#11 Feb 19, 2013
The Mission Viejo Rule of Law Resolution was adopted by the City Council of the City of Mission Viejo, in Orange County, California. That city has no connection, as far as I know, with Mission Viejo Elementary in Aurora, Colorado.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

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#12 Feb 20, 2013
By voting for this shamnesty, many southern Dems may be signing away their seats...the sword of Damocles. What to do, what to do.
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spud

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Feb 22, 2013
Nobody even cares about a path to citizenship. This is just a bogus proposal that politicians will use as political cover if this travesty passes. Our corrupt media has set it up so that if this thing passes, those voting for it can deflect criticism by claiming they were the tough ones who defeated the citizenship provision. The media will never accuse our corrupt reps. of passing a sellout bill, which this definately is.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#15 Feb 24, 2013
Concerned citizen wrote:
Has anyone ever thought that these people don't actually want "citizenship". The vast majority of these Mexicans simply come to work for a period of time and then return home to Mexico. They aren't like the immigration waves (italian, irish) of previous eras who bring their entire families with the intent of actually becoming Americans. They just want to earn cash under the table and leave. Why would they want to become "legal"?!? Then they have to pay taxes. If they get sick and go to the emergency room they might actually be forced to pay for the service they receive instead of simply getting it for free like they do now. They don't have any intention of paying into the "system" because they don't plan on living their lives here. Why would they want to do that when they can simply get a free ride the whole time they are here?
My parents came here and worked in San Antonio for many years. Then they returned to Progresso to retirement. They brought me here as an infant.
juan is a narcissist

Houston, TX

#16 Feb 24, 2013
Juan wrote:
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My parents came here and worked in San Antonio for many years. Then they returned to Progresso to retirement. They brought me here as an infant.
Yawn...nobody cares juanita...you've told us over and over and over about your pathetic tales. SSDD eh juanita?

Sick some professional help for your NPD.
juan purveyor of chit

Chicago, IL

#17 Feb 24, 2013
Juan wrote:
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My parents came here and worked in San Antonio for many years. Then they returned to Progresso to retirement. They brought me here as an infant.
Tell a lie enough times you believe it's true. We don't believe a word of your drivel. Frankly we don't care about your drivel, you, or your stupid posts. Buzz off and find another hobby...

Hey la ratza called and they want their money back..what a worthless pendejo you be...
Juan

Pearland, TX

#18 Feb 25, 2013
I'm just proud of what I have accomplished, and hopefully be able to start my own business in Vero.
juan purveyor of chit

Secaucus, NJ

#19 Feb 25, 2013
Juan wrote:
I'm just proud of what I have accomplished, and hopefully be able to start my own business in Vero.
Sure juanita we heard it all before yet you've never done it. Face it you'll be sweeping up floors and humping wire for the rest of your pathetic life unless of course you run afoul of the law and get deported and/or incarcerated. Please take your fictional chit elsewhere nobody on topix gives a chit about you or your plans.

We'll have to make sure we warn people via a couple of web sites in the area which won't be too hard to do eh?

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#20 Feb 25, 2013
Democrats know that any amnesty is just opening the flood gates and does nothing to solve the problem why so many are here in the first place. Amnesty, unemployment, Obama care (where in 2016 the uninsured will pay a fine of $695.00 per adult and $347.50 per child with a max of $2,085.00) and gun control all play against democrats.

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#21 Feb 25, 2013
Juan wrote:
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My parents came here and worked in San Antonio for many years. Then they returned to Progresso to retirement. They brought me here as an infant.
What's your point? You're a illegal alien!

Since: Apr 10

Houston, TX

#22 Feb 25, 2013
Juan wrote:
I'm just proud of what I have accomplished, and hopefully be able to start my own business in Vero.
"I'm just proud of what I have accomplished"?

You're a illegal alien living in a country that does not want you. I guess that's Mexican pride?

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